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NFL Week 12, Fastest 2 Minutes, The Commanders Lose A Stunner To The Cowboys, Eagles Roll And Who's Back Of The Week

Monday, November 25, 202422 takes

NFL Week 12. We start with fastest 2 minutes. We then recap every game from Sunday (-) Cowboys 34, Commanders 26(-) Titans 32, Texans 27 (-) Vikings 30, Bears 27 (-) Chiefs 30, Panthers 27 (-) Dolphins 34, Patriots 15 (-) Lions 24, Colts 6 (-) Bucs 30, Giants 7 (-) Packers 38, 49ers 10(-) Broncos 29, Raiders 19 (-) Seahawks 16, Cardinals 6 (-) Eagles 37, Rams 20 (-) We finish with who's back of the week. (:01-)

NFL Week 12 Recap: Chaos in D.C., Saquon’s MVP Case, and PFT vs. Hank

Week 12 was supposed to be a boring slate of games with massive spreads, but instead, it delivered the most chaotic witching hour of the season. Between special teams meltdowns in Washington and the Bears finding a new, creative way to lose in overtime, Big Cat and PFT had plenty to unpack before heading into Thanksgiving week. The energy in the studio was high, mostly because Hank has officially been unmasked as a double agent, placing "hater bets" against the Commanders while sitting right behind PFT during games.

The Commanders’ Collapse and the Return of Kliff

PFT is going through it right now. After a hot start to the season, the Commanders dropped a stunner to a Cowboys team that looked dead on arrival. Between missed extra points and allowing multiple kick return touchdowns in the final minutes, the vibes in D.C. have shifted dramatically from "Super Bowl sleepers" to "please just make the playoffs."

Void
Nov 25, 2024
#3204
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Commanders aren't a very good football team right now

The Commanders aren't a very good football team right now. The offense looks disjointed. It looks like chaos. They look nervous, panicky on offense. This might be the Kliff Kingsbury cliff that happens every season.

Subjective assessment of team performance.

The panic is real, and PFT isn't hedging his concerns about how this season might finish.

Win
Nov 25, 2024
#3205
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

It wouldn't surprise me if the Commanders miss the playoffs

I said out loud, it wouldn't surprise me if we [the Commanders] missed the playoffs. Because we're not playing—we were a 10 and a half point favorite during this game.

The Commanders lost 5 of their last 6 games to finish 7-10 and miss the playoffs.

Big Cat’s Silver Linings and the Rookie Race

While the Bears lost again in heartbreaking fashion—this time thanks to a blocked field goal and a defensive collapse in overtime—Big Cat is staying surprisingly positive. He’s hitching his wagon to Caleb Williams’ development, arguing that surviving the Shane Waldron era should be worth a trophy on its own.

Loss
Nov 25, 2024
#3213
Big CatBig Cat

Caleb Williams is my personal Rookie of the Year

I actually think Caleb Williams, he's my personal rookie of the year because what he was able to do with Shane Waldron as a coach is maybe the most impressive thing ever.

While Williams improved, Jayden Daniels was the near-unanimous winner.

Speaking of rookies, the debate for the actual hardware is heating up. While Jayden Daniels has hit a wall, Bo Nicks is playing clinical football in Denver. PFT is ready to call the race right now.

Loss
Nov 25, 2024
#3209
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Bo Nicks should win Rookie of the Year

I was gonna say that I think as of right now, Bo Nicks should win Rookie of the Year. He's been better for a longer period of time than Jayden, even though [Jayden Daniels] got off to that electric start.

Jayden Daniels won the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year award, though Nicks finished strong.

Fraud Alerts and the NFC North Gauntlet

The Texans and 49ers both took massive steps backward this week. Big Cat isn't buying Houston as a contender despite their record, noting that CJ Stroud and the offense look clunky every single week. Meanwhile, the Niners were bullied by a Packers team that is starting to look like a serious problem in the NFC.

Win
Nov 25, 2024
#21080
Big CatBig Cat

The 49ers are in a lot of trouble and this is a 'season from hell' for them

The Niners are in a lot, a lot of trouble... I don't know, like they have a tough schedule coming up. The Bills are next. I think this is just gonna be chalk it up to the season from hell.

The 49ers finished 6-10 and missed the playoffs, confirming the take.

Big Cat is entering his annual "nervous watch" period where he stops making jokes about the Packers because he realizes they might actually be good.

Win
Nov 25, 2024
#21081
Big CatBig Cat

I'm officially on nervous watch that the Packers are going to make a run

I'm officially on—I'm nervous watch. I'm nervous that they're [the Packers] going to make a run. I change my—Packers fans know me well enough that I start to change my tone when I start to get really nervous... knowing that they're better than [their record].

The Packers finished 13-4 and reached the NFC Championship game.

On the other side of the division, the Lions continue to be the gold standard. They didn't even have their best offensive day against the Colts and still didn't allow a single touchdown for the tenth straight quarter.

Void
Nov 25, 2024
#3219
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Detroit Lions are the best team in football

Until further notice, they're my team. Until they have a stinker of a game, I'm just gonna blindly believe that the Detroit Lions are gonna steamroll everyone... they are the best team in football.

Subjective ranking of NFL teams.

Sunday Night Statements and the MVP Hunt

Max joined the show from Philly to gloat about the Eagles’ absolute thrashing of the Rams. Saquon Barkley went for over 250 total yards, and at this point, it’s getting hard to deny his value to a team that looks just as dangerous as Detroit.

Void
Nov 25, 2024
#3225
MaxMax

Saquon Barkley deserves to be in the MVP conversation

Saquon Barkley deserves to be in the MVP conversation. He's incredible. I mean that is abundantly clear at this point. They're just kicking the shit out of everybody.

Subjective ranking for a season award.

Max even went as far as to challenge the national media's obsession with the Lions, questioning if Detroit actually has a better unit than Philly anywhere on the field.

Void
Nov 25, 2024
#21085
MaxMax

The Lions are not clearly better than the Eagles

Everyone's been anointing the Lions the winners of the NFC. I would like to know why, what makes the Lions so much better than the Eagles at this point? What unit is better than the Eagles?

Subjective comparison of two top NFL teams.

Who’s Back and College Football Chaos

To wrap things up, the guys looked ahead to a massive Feast Week. With the SEC elite like Alabama and Ole Miss falling flat on their faces over the weekend, the College Football Playoff picture is a total mess. PFT is drawing a hard line in the sand regarding three-loss teams, while Big Cat is ready to go to war for the Hoosiers.

Win
Nov 25, 2024·Who's Back
#3227
Big CatBig Cat

I will fight anyone who says Indiana shouldn't be in the playoff

I will fucking fight. If you find someone online who's saying Indiana should not be in the college football playoff—tag me snitch. Tag 'em. I just—I wanna fight 'em.

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Indiana was selected for the College Football Playoff.
Loss
Nov 25, 2024·Who's Back
#21087
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Don't put any three-loss teams in the College Football Playoff

Don't put a team in that has that number three in the loss column. Don't... I don't want to see the dash three on a playoff team in college football.

Several three-loss teams, including Georgia, were eventually selected for the playoff.

If you see anyone talking trash about Indiana on the timeline this week, just know Big Cat is lurking in the mentions.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone except the person who keeps reporting our memes.

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More Takes

Void
Nov 25, 2024
#3210
Big CatBig Cat

I don't think the Texans are a good football team

I really walk away from this game being like, are the Texans good? I don't think—I don't know if they are. I just—they're just not a very good team overall. Like they're—they're gonna win the AFC South, but I don't trust them at all.

The Texans won the division but struggled with consistency throughout the second half of the season.
Push
Nov 25, 2024
#3215
Big CatBig Cat

Bryce Young is back

Chiefs 30, Panthers 27. Bryce Young. Is he back? Dude, Bryce Young—I think he might be back. He was awesome today. And, and I know awesome is relative... he looked composed, didn't make any big mistakes.

Bryce Young showed flashes late in 2024 but remained far from being established as a franchise starter.
Void
Nov 25, 2024
#3216
HankHank

Gerard Mayo is probably not the guy for the Patriots

Is Gerard Mayo the guy? Probably not. The defense is bad. He is a defensive coach. Why not get an offensive coach to work with our phenom quarterback [Drake May]?

Subjective assessment of coach suitability.
Win
Nov 25, 2024
#3221
Big CatBig Cat

The Buccaneers will find a way to get into the playoffs

I said it two weeks ago. I think they're [the Buccaneers] going to find a way to get into this playoff. I don't know—it might be at your expense PFT, but it also could be they win the NFC South.

The Buccaneers won the NFC South to qualify for the playoffs.
Void
Nov 25, 2024
#21079
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Deebo Samuel looks like a shell of his former self physically

That [prime] Deebo no longer exists. That Deebo, he looks like a shell of himself physically, while simultaneously looking like a much larger version of himself.

Subjective opinion on a player's physical performance and value.
Win
Nov 25, 2024
#3223
Big CatBig Cat

I'm officially nervous that the Packers are going to make a run

I'm officially on—I'm nervous watch. I'm nervous that they're [the Packers] going to make a run. I change my—Packers fans know me well enough that I start to change my tone when I start to get really nervous.

The Packers did make a deep run to the NFC Championship game.
Void
Nov 25, 2024
#21082
Big CatBig Cat

Cortland Sutton is one of the most underrated receivers in the NFL

Cortland Sutton is one of the most underrated receivers in the NFL. He's gotten healthy and he's been awesome. The last five games he had 36 catches, 467 yards and three TDs.

Subjective ranking of a player's reputation relative to their performance.
Win
Nov 25, 2024
#21083
Big CatBig Cat

I think the Broncos are going to find a way to get into the playoffs

I think the Broncos are gonna find a way to get in the playoffs looking at their schedule.

The Broncos finished 9-8 and qualified for the AFC playoffs.
Void
Nov 25, 2024
#21084
Big CatBig Cat

The Seahawks defense is getting to a point where they might be Geno proof

I think the Seahawks defense is getting to a point where they might be Geno proof where you can... Gino can still sling it and he has moments, but he also has moments where shit goes bad and now their defense could pick him up.

Subjective opinion on team dynamics and unit strength.
Void
Nov 25, 2024·Who's Back
#21086
Big CatBig Cat

Eliminating NBA conferences and seeding the top 16 teams regardless of geography would suck

This would fucking suck... I want you winning your conference. I don't know, there's the teams that you play all year getting to play them in the playoffs, fighting through them. I like the idea of the finals [being] the West and the East.

Subjective opinion on sports league structure.
Win
Nov 25, 2024·Who's Back
#21088
Big CatBig Cat

Georgia is the exception to the three-loss rule because they played the hardest schedule in the country

Georgia is the exception to me. Georgia has actually what every SEC fan keeps saying... Georgia has played an incredibly difficult schedule. They have the hardest in the country.

Georgia was selected for the playoff despite three losses, validating Big Cat's view of them as an exception.

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