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Kirk Herbstreit, MNF Was A Debacle, CFB Talk, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Guys On Chicks

Wednesday, November 29, 202317 takes

The Bears and Vikings Played a horrible game of football but the Bears might be back (-). David Tepper fires another coach 1(-. We talk some CFB and a great Saturday to end the regular season (-). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including a new list for what men should be and Hank got a computer virus (-). Kirk Herbstreit joins the show to talk about the College Football season, what could happen in every playoff scenario, who passes the eye test, Heisman, Al MIchaels and more (-) . We finish with guys on chicks (-).

Kirk Herbstreit on CFB Playoff Chaos and the Al Michaels Criticism

The Chicago Bears managed to win an absolute abomination of a football game against the Vikings, and while the rest of America was bleeding from the eyes, Big Cat actually saw some light at the end of the tunnel. It wasn't just about surviving four interceptions from Josh Dobbs; it was about the defense finally having a pulse. Montez Sweat has changed the entire geometry of that unit, and for once, the vibe in Chicago isn't just about draft position.

Win
Nov 29, 2023
#10229
Big CatBig Cat

The Bears are no longer a million pieces away from being a good football team

For the first time in a very long time, I'm optimistic about the Chicago Bears and where they're headed because I think you can build off of what they've done defensively... we're no longer just like a million pieces away. We're a few pieces away from being a good football team.

The Bears showed improvement in late 2023 and had a major 2024 offseason (Caleb Williams), validating the 'few pieces away' sentiment.

PFT isn't ready to let go of the Passtronaut just yet, despite the four-pick performance. He’s leaning into the theory that the more a quarterback knows about a system, the worse they become. He thinks the secret to NFL success might just be staying in the dark on the playbook.

Push
Nov 29, 2023
#10230
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Josh Dobbs should not learn the playbook to be a better quarterback

He maybe should just not learn the playbook because... when he was in Arizona, he had been signed to the Cardinals like two weeks before the season started and played well... maybe it's just learning the playbook is too much.

While comedic, Dobbs was eventually benched by the Vikings after several poor performances once the 'newness' wore off.

David Tepper and the Panther Problem

Frank Reich is officially out in Carolina, making him the king of back-to-back buyouts. The guys took aim at David Tepper, who seems determined to run his franchise like a toxic hedge fund where everyone is replaceable except the guy making the bad decisions. Big Cat isn't buying the "unanimous" draft pick narrative being pushed by the owner.

Void
Nov 29, 2023
#22827
Big CatBig Cat

David Tepper is aggressively bad and has quickly become the worst owner in the NFL

David Tepper is, I mean, he's so quickly become the worst owner. Dan Snyder leaving helped out a lot. [Tepper] is aggressively bad where he's doing too much. He's the problem. He's like, 'I'm gonna just fix all these problems by micromanaging and firing people.'

Tepper's reputation continued to decline through the 2023 season, including an incident where he threw a drink at a fan, though 'worst owner' is inherently a matter of opinion.

The Game and the Death of Normalcy

Ohio State lost to Michigan for the third straight year, and Big Cat thinks this one cuts deeper than the previous two. With the sign-stealing scandal looming over the matchup, the Buckeyes had a chance to invalidate everything Michigan had done over the last three years. Instead, they let an interim coach run it right down their throat.

Void
Nov 29, 2023
#10231
Big CatBig Cat

The loss to Michigan was the worst loss for the Ohio State fan base ever

I actually think this might be the worst loss for a fan base ever in Ohio State... If they had won on Saturday, they could have all gone around and said, the only reason you beat us was 'cause you cheated. And the minute you couldn't cheat anymore, all the normalcy has been restored. Now Michigan... gets to be like, you guys cried, you bitched, you moaned, you started investigations and we still just ran the ball down your throat.

This is a subjective take on fan psychology, but Michigan went on to win the National Championship, making the loss sting even more for OSU.

Kirk Herbstreit Joins the Show

Our friend Kirk Herbstreit stopped by to navigate the absolute mess that is the current College Football Playoff landscape. With four undefeated teams and potentially more chaos on the way after conference championships, the committee is in a no-win situation. Herbie was blunt about the Florida State situation, arguing that the loss of Jordan Travis has fundamentally changed who they are as a team.

Win
Nov 29, 2023
#10234
Kirk HerbstreitKirk Herbstreit

Florida State shouldn't automatically be in the playoff just because they are undefeated

The loss of Jordan Travis to me is pretty significant... We live in an era where it's like, okay, they're undefeated, so they're in because they're in a Power five. I just don't do that. I'm really big on the best four teams... If you think Florida State's one of the best teams with Tate Rodemaker, then that's no problem. But I'm just not big on, they're undefeated so we have to put 'em in.

Herbstreit's logic was ultimately the one the committee used to exclude FSU.

They also got into the Ryan Day discourse. As an Ohio State guy, Herbie isn't calling for Day's head, but he acknowledges that the psychology of the rivalry has flipped. He thinks the solution might be as simple as getting more guys on the roster who actually grew up in the state of Ohio and know what the game means.

Win
Nov 29, 2023
#10236
Kirk HerbstreitKirk Herbstreit

Ryan Day definitely has a Michigan problem

He definitely has a Michigan problem... Ohio State lived in Michigan's head for a number of years... and Jim Harbaugh, to his credit... has completely turned this thing around. If I were Ryan Day... I would suggest maybe looking at finding more Ohio guys that qualified to be on the roster to make them appreciate what this game really means.

Day lost his third straight game to Michigan in 2023.

As for the Heisman, Herbie is currently leaning toward the Bayou. While Bo Nix and Michael Penix Jr. have massive games ahead of them, he thinks the pure playmaking ability of Jayden Daniels is impossible to ignore.

Win
Nov 29, 2023
#10235
Kirk HerbstreitKirk Herbstreit

Jayden Daniels should win the Heisman Trophy

I have Jayden Daniels winning... He has been by far, when you think of a Heisman winner and you watch his plays, that's the guy you think of. In my opinion, it should go to the most dynamic playmaker and that player has been Jayden Daniels up to this point.

Jayden Daniels did win the 2023 Heisman Trophy.

Before letting him go, Big Cat asked about the constant social media chatter regarding Al Michaels and his supposed lack of energy on Thursday nights. Having a front-row seat to the broadcast every week, Herbie says the criticism is totally misplaced and that Al is just as sharp as ever, even if the games don't always provide the Juice.

Void
Nov 29, 2023
#10237
Kirk HerbstreitKirk Herbstreit

Al Michaels hears the social media criticism and thinks it is bullshit

Al hears it. He disagrees with it... Social media is using those two examples [Jacksonville playoff game and Denver game] to just say Al Michaels hates Thursday night, Al Michaels has lost it... He hears the noise, I don't think he's like 'I'll show them'. He has more of an f-you attitude about it. He thinks it's a bunch of bullshit.

Subjective claim about Michaels' internal state, but Herbstreit is the primary witness.

Hot Seat/Cool Throne

Hank is on the Hot Seat for potentially infecting the entire office with a computer virus after trying to download a YouTube to MP3 converter like it's 2007. Meanwhile, Big Cat’s Cool Throne is a specific list of "ideal man" traits that includes not using AirPods and eating lots of steak. The guys also spent some time worrying about the rise of AI, though Big Cat is confident that robots can't replicate his specific brand of being wrong.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

AI will never be able to replace podcasting because it isn't capable of being consistently wrong or stupid enough to replicate human banter

I feel very secure in my job. I don't think that we would ever be able to be taken over by AI. How would they get things wrong all the time? Like don't, don't computers get things right? Can you imagine an AI having a debate about whether or not [something is] a bad take?

This is a subjective take on the future of media and the limitations of AI creativity.

Hopefully the Bears win out so we can see how long Big Cat's optimism lasts.

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More Takes

Win
Nov 29, 2023
#22825
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Montez Sweat is a better overall player than Chase Young

I agree that Sweat is an impact maker on defense. I told you he was better than Chase Young.

Montez Sweat earned a Pro Bowl selection in 2023 and significantly transformed the Bears' defense, while Chase Young had a more rotational role with the 49ers.
Win
Nov 29, 2023
#22826
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

If the Bears secure the #1 overall pick, they should trade Justin Fields

If you have the first overall pick, I think the move is probably to try to trade Justin Fields. See what you can get for him. Maybe decide on [his option] and then yeah, see what you can get for him. I think the new coach is gonna probably want to go in a different direction.

The Bears traded Justin Fields to the Pittsburgh Steelers in March 2024 after deciding to draft Caleb Williams with the first overall pick.
Void
Nov 29, 2023
#10232
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Arch Manning is so good that his receivers can't catch his passes

I think Arch Manning might be too good of a quarterback. I don't think that there are receivers out there that are good enough to play with Arch Manning. He had two touchdown passes... that were just fucking laser beams right on their hands bounced off their hands. It was too good of a ball.

PFT's claim that Arch Manning is 'too good' for his receivers is hyperbolic praise/comedy, not a verifiable prediction. Manning showed flashes in limited action but the claim is inherently subjective.
Win
Nov 29, 2023
#10233
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Florida State will get screwed out of the playoff because of ratings

Florida State will get fucked... they want to have big names in this playoff. And right now, Florida State, even though they are a big name traditionally, they don't have the same buzz as like a Texas would have. So I'm just thinking that Florida State will get fucked unless they win by like 40 points.

FSU went 13-0 but was left out of the playoff in favor of 1-loss Texas and 1-loss Alabama.
Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The narrative that AI is an existential threat to humanity is a marketing ploy designed to make the technology seem more advanced than it is

The people who are being terrified about AI and all this buzz about AI taking over everyone's job, taking over the world. That's marketing. That the AI people are trying to get out there to build buzz about AI and also make you think it's advanced.

This is a subjective interpretation of industry marketing tactics and tech hype cycles.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

The Blackhawks should hold a press conference to protect Connor Bedard from rumors

The Black Hawks should do a better job of making sure they protect Connor Bedard at all costs. And you're, he's your franchise player. Maybe just do a press conference and explain what happened [with Corey Perry].

The rumors were eventually debunked, but the team's initial vague handling did lead to significant social media speculation.
Void
Nov 29, 2023
#22830
Kirk HerbstreitKirk Herbstreit

Removing divisions from the Big 10 is a mistake that will diminish the importance of its premier rivalries

What's bad specifically for me in the Big 10 as you lose the divisions... Imagine Ohio State, Michigan this Saturday playing in the Big 10 championship. I think that wrinkle to me is gonna be odd and gonna take some time to get used to. Michigan deserves credit. They just beat Ohio State. They shouldn't have to a week later now go have to play them again.

The Big 10 officially moved to a divisionless format starting with the 2024 season, making this an ongoing debate about conference quality and tradition.
Win
Nov 29, 2023
#22831
Kirk HerbstreitKirk Herbstreit

Dak Prescott is currently playing the best football of his entire career

You could argue that Dak's playing the best that he has in his career. And number two, Mike McCarthy calling plays. I think there's a rhythm right now. They have balance. They can run, they can throw. The defense with Dan Quinn right now... there's a lot there to like.

Dak Prescott led the NFL in passing touchdowns in 2023 and finished second in MVP voting, statistically marking it as his best season to date.

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