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Joey Harrington, MNF Recap, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Guys On Chicks

Wednesday, December 15, 202119 takes

Monday Night Football thriller and the Rams may be back. Is Kyler Murray too short? Maybe sometimes(-). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including some F1 talk(-). We then welcome on Joey Harrington and talk to him about his career at Oregon and with the Lions, why some quarterbacks fail, Nick Saban as an NFL Coach and tons more(-). We finish up with guys on chicks(-).

Joey Harrington on Saban, Petrino, and the Lions; MNF Recap and Guys on Chicks

Monday Night Football gave the guys plenty to chew on as the Rams looked like they might finally be shaking the fraud allegations. Matthew Stafford was throwing absolute dimes against a good team, but the real story might have been the physical stature of the opposing quarterback. Big Cat noticed some issues with Kyler Murray's performance that seemed directly related to his height.

Void
Dec 15, 2021
#17827
Big CatBig Cat

Kyler Murray's height causes some of his interceptions

Kyler Murray does have interceptions where he's too short... it's not even that he couldn't see over Leonard Floyd. It's like, he didn't understand that Leonard Floyd could easily jump up and catch that because Leonard Floyd's that much taller.

While Murray has had passes batted at the line, attributing specific interceptions solely to height is subjective and debated by analysts.

PFT was quick to offer a counter-point, suggesting that being compact actually has its perks when there are 300-pounders trying to take your head off every snap.

Void
Dec 15, 2021
#17828
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Kyler Murray's height helps him duck under sacks

He's able to duck under sacks more easily because he's five, ten or five nine or whatever... sometimes its height works to his advantage in a weird way.

It's a recognized athletic trait of Murray's, but remains an opinion on how much height specifically contributes versus pure agility.

While Kyler was ducking under pressure, Aaron Donald was busy wrecking everything in his path. The performance was so dominant that it sparked a conversation about how we actually track defensive stats. If a lineman is so good that the only way to stop him is a bear hug, that should probably show up on the box score.

Void
Dec 15, 2021
#17830
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Blatant holds against Aaron Donald should count as sacks

Blatant holds should count as sacks for the defensive lineman... the guy had to wrestle Aaron Donald to the ground. That was the only way that he wasn't going to give up a sack.

Statistical rules do not count holds as sacks, so this remains a subjective suggestion for rule changes.

Big Cat is officially back on the Stafford train, even suggesting that we're looking at a future gold jacket candidate if he keeps this up.

Open
Dec 15, 2021
#17829
Big CatBig Cat

Matthew Stafford is a Hall of Famer

That was the Hall of Fame, Matt Stafford that I hope gets there. So I can pull up a tweet from five years ago saying you were going to be in this.

Stafford went on to win the Super Bowl later that season, significantly boosting his HOF resume, though he isn't yet retired or inducted.

Hot Seat/Cool Throne

Hank is officially out on the Atlantic Coast Conference. Beyond the obvious Duke bias, the conference is struggling to keep its head above water in the early basketball season, especially when it comes to games they literally paid to win.

Win
HankHank

The ACC is a bad basketball conference this year

My hot seat is the ACC... they're the only team [Duke] that's even decent in the ACC... they've lost six buy games.

The ACC was historically weak in 2021-22, receiving only 5 NCAA tournament bids, though Duke and UNC did reach the Final Four.

Meanwhile, PFT put the entire concept of manners on the Hot Seat after a story broke regarding Dan Snyder’s pettiness with Bruce Allen. Apparently, Snyder was so starved for validation that he tried to make a congratulatory text message a legal requirement in a lawsuit settlement.

Billy brought some international flavor to Hot Seat, highlighting two Brazilian politicians who decided that instead of a debate, they would just settle their differences in a three-round MMA fight.

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Billy FootballBilly Football

U.S. politicians should settle disputes in MMA matches

Two politicians down in Brazil... had a three round MMA fight, which was sick... I really wish I kinda wish that would happen more in the United States and other places.

This is a purely subjective lifestyle/political opinion.

Joey Harrington

Oregon legend Joey Harrington joined the show for an incredible look back at a career that was much weirder than most fans remember. Harrington is incredibly well-adjusted, but he didn't hold back on the absolute chaos he witnessed in Detroit, Miami, and Atlanta. He started by reminding everyone that before he was the third pick in the draft, he was just a kid trying to get his stats up in the greatest sports game ever.

Void
Dec 15, 2021
#17836
Joey HarringtonJoey Harrington

NCAA Football is the greatest video game ever made

That college football game was the greatest game in the history of video games... maybe Tecmo Super Bowl [is close]... but it's up there.

Greatest of all time is inherently subjective.

Joey provided some fascinating insight into the difference between a coach like Nick Saban and a coach like Bobby Petrino. While Saban was intense, Harrington respected the transparency and the way the legendary coach handled the professional locker room.

Void
Dec 15, 2021
#24503
Joey HarringtonJoey Harrington

Nick Saban's coaching success is built on preparation and accountability rather than flexibility

He will adjust and he will recognize what he needs to do week to week. But there's a foundation that exists... It is all preparation... a hundred percent accountability. He expects accountability and he shows accountability. And there are plenty of times when he stood up [to the media] and says, no, that's on me. I didn't get them prepared well enough.

This is an assessment of a coach's methodology based on personal experience.

On the flip side, the Bobby Petrino era in Atlanta was a total disaster from the jump. Harrington described the infamous "note on the locker" and Petrino's total inability to manage a room full of veterans who knew more about the NFL than he did.

Win
Dec 15, 2021
#24504
Joey HarringtonJoey Harrington

Bobby Petrino was completely ill-equipped to be an NFL coach

[Bobby Petrino] was unprepared to be an NFL coach. I mean, that's the thing... we had a team of vets... and to have the audacity to challenge what it is that I'm trying to say [by adding more plays]... that's not how you operate. And then to literally drop... a note on your locker and say peace I'm out of here... he was unprepared.

The results of Petrino's tenure (3-10 followed by a mid-season abandonment) strongly support Harrington's assessment.

Big Cat couldn't help but wonder if Joey's professional trajectory would have changed if he had just adopted a more "adult" name upon entering the league.

Void
Dec 15, 2021
#24505
Big CatBig Cat

Dropping the 'y' from his name would have helped Joey Harrington's professional career

Do you think the fact that you went by Joey as a professional, as a grown man hurt you at all?... Joey Harrington is a great college football name. I think when you get drafted, you dropped the why and you go as Joe Harrington.

This is a purely aesthetic/subjective theory about branding.

The conversation wrapped with some quarterback psychology. Harrington explained that at the NFL level, everyone has the arm talent, but the mental side of the game is what actually separates the starters from the backups. He even weighed in on the current situation in Miami, urging the organization to stick by their guy.

Win
Dec 15, 2021
#17839
Joey HarringtonJoey Harrington

Tua Tagovailoa will be successful if the Dolphins support him and stop trying to replace him

They need to make sure they're supporting Tua because he's shown that he can do it... Make sure you support that guy, and he could be [successful].

Tua eventually found success once the Dolphins committed to him and hired Mike McDaniel, supporting Harrington's take.

Guys on Chicks and the Numbers

The show closed out with the return of Guys on Chicks, featuring a listener whose boyfriend is so addicted to his Nintendo Switch that he’s bringing it to dinner with future in-laws and trying to win a Grand Prix during intimate moments. Billy tried to wrap things up with a Kyler Murray comparison to Madden 09, but the real drama was the lottery ball. Jake Marsh is officially under investigation for being a system player after yet another win.

Check the tire pressure and keep the vibes high.

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More Takes

Void
Dec 15, 2021
#24500
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Home field advantage doesn't matter as much as volume when it comes to stadium noise

I actually think that the fact that we could hear that guy yelling so loudly, that ties into their [Arizona Cardinals] home field advantage problem, because everybody should be yelling as loud as that guy... We shouldn't be able to pick out that one dude yelling, you need to have louder fans at home.

This is a subjective observation about stadium atmosphere and fan engagement.
Void
Dec 15, 2021
#17831
Big CatBig Cat

Refs shouldn't call pass interference on fade routes

You shouldn't even get pass interference calls on fades because it's such a dumb play call.

This is a satirical take on officiating and play-calling strategy.
Push
Dec 15, 2021
#24501
HankHank

The AFC North will be decided by flexed prime time games in Week 18

On week 18 they're flexing two games Saturday night with playoff implications... I think they'll do one AFC North prime time game Saturday, one Sunday, if I had to guess... the AFC North is going to be the division that, yeah. It all it's going to be decided.

In 2021, the NFL did flex two Saturday games (Chiefs-Broncos and Cowboys-Eagles), but the AFC North (Bengals-Browns) remained on Sunday. The division was decided in Week 17/18, but the flexes weren't specifically AFC North teams.
Void
HankHank

Robert Kraft's investment in a Call of Duty team is a genius move

Robert Kraft bought a Call of Duty team... everyone says that buying these roster spots is a waste of money... I would have agreed with them until Robert Kraft bought the top spot. Now genius investment.

The value of Call of Duty League franchises has been highly scrutinized since 2021, with many organizations struggling for profitability, making the 'genius' label subjective and likely premature.
Win
Big CatBig Cat

Steph Curry is going to break the all-time three-point record tonight at Madison Square Garden

Steph Curry is going to, by the time you're listening to this, Steph Curry has already broken the record... I'm actually going to go to the game. I'm excited for it.

Steph Curry did indeed break the record that night (Dec 14, 2021) at MSG.
Void
Dec 15, 2021
#24502
Joey HarringtonJoey Harrington

You don't truly understand that the NFL is a business until you are cut

Until it kicks you in the butt, you don't really understand it... until you're cut... in the NFL they can just say, Hey, thanks. It's been fun. It's been real. See it and not pay another dime. And until you have that happen to you... I don't know that it truly sinks in that this is a business.

This is a subjective perspective on the professional athlete experience.
Void
Dec 15, 2021
#17838
Joey HarringtonJoey Harrington

I could have been the Chiefs' quarterback until Patrick Mahomes took over

If I had fallen past Detroit, then [the Chiefs] were going to take me... I could have been Chief until Patrick Mahomes took over.

This is a counterfactual historical claim that can never be verified.
Void
Dec 15, 2021
#17837
Joey HarringtonJoey Harrington

Success as an NFL quarterback is mostly about confidence rather than physical skill

Every quarterback in the league has the skills to be there... the difference is being confident in yourself... Hesitation, lack of confidence, doubt is the killer of all young quarterbacks. That's all it is.

While widely accepted by some coaches, this is a psychological theory of performance that cannot be objectively proven or disproven.

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