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Mike Florio And Week 2 Of The NFL

Monday, September 17, 201818 takes

Week 2 of the NFL and the Fastest 2 minutes ( - ). All the kickers sucked at the same time. Patrick Mahomes is electric ( - ). Vontae Davis retired at halftime ( - ). Are we really doing this Ryan Fitzpatrick thing? The Bills and Cardinals suck and what's wrong with the Steelers ( - ). Football guy of the week led by Coach O being the best Coach ever ( - ). Who's back of the week including Suicidal Big Cat because the Badgers suck again ( - ). Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio joins the show to talk about Josh Gordon, Ryan Fitzpatrick starting a QB controversy in Tampa Bay, and who is on the hot seat after Week 2 ( - ). Segments include Great Visual for Skip Bayless, Uhhh Ya Think for Kevin Durant, and Monday Readings "Nick Saban Is Overrated".

Mike Florio on Josh Gordon, Fitzmagic, and Week 2 Chaos

Week 2 of the NFL season is in the books, and it was a certified fever dream. We had 19 missed kicks, another tie, and a veteran cornerback literally retiring at halftime because the Buffalo Bills are that depressing. Big Cat and PFT Commenter opened the show with the Fastest 2 Minutes, which featured PFT’s legendary blink-182 themed Steelers breakdown. It’s officially pumpkin season, but while some teams are staying out past their bedtime, others have already turned into carriage-sized gourds.

Big Cat has seen enough of the league to already separate the contenders from the absolute bottom-feeders.

Push
Sep 17, 2018
#25697
Big CatBig Cat

The Bills and the Cardinals are the only two NFL teams that definitely suck after Week 2

I think this is the first time we've gotten to week two, because usually you can tell almost instantly, okay, these teams definitely suck, and these teams are going to definitely be good. I actually only have two teams that definitely suck on the list... the Bills [and] the Cardinals.

The Cardinals finished 3-13 (worst in the NFL). The Bills finished 6-10, which was bad but not 'definitely suck' territory compared to others.

The conversation shifted to the Patriots getting handled by the Jaguars in the Florida heat. While some media members are ready to bury the dynasty, the guys aren't falling for the trap. Blake Bortles looked like the People's Quarterback, and the Jaguars' defense proved they are the real deal after putting the clamps on Rob Gronkowski.

Win
Sep 17, 2018
#25698
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Jaguars' defense is for real and they're scary

The Jaguars' defense is going to be for real... You can look at what happened with [Gronkowski] today... They shut down Rob Gronkowski. Like, that defense is scary.

The 2018 Jaguars defense finished #4 in yards and #5 in scoring, maintaining their elite status despite the team's overall collapse to 5-11.

Hank remained calm despite the New England loss, pointing out that September struggles are basically a prerequisite for a Patriots Super Bowl run.

Win
Sep 17, 2018
#9274
HankHank

Patriots September losses never matter

The Patriots always lose these games in September. It never matters. I got another stat from this from Tim Whelan on Twitter. So the last three years in which the Patriots reached the Super Bowl, they lost by double digits within the first four weeks.

The Patriots did indeed go on to win the Super Bowl this season (LIII) after a slow start, validating the 'September doesn't matter' mantra.

One of the biggest stories of the week was Ryan Fitzpatrick leading the Bucs to a 2-0 start while looking like a beefier Conor McGregor in the postgame presser. With Jameis Winston's suspension ending soon, the quarterback controversy in Tampa is reaching a boiling point. Big Cat is already all-in on the Harvard swag.

Push
Sep 17, 2018
#9272
Big CatBig Cat

The Buccaneers cannot sit Ryan Fitzpatrick if he wins in Week 3

Ryan Fitzpatrick, if he wins week three, how can they sit him? I don't know what's going on with Ryan Fitzpatrick, but I am ready, much like Case Keenum last year where we had to ask ourselves many times... Ryan Fitzpatrick, if he wins week three, how can they sit him?

Fitzpatrick did start Week 4 even when Winston returned, but he was eventually benched for Winston later in the season after his performance cooled off.

Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio joined the show to provide some adult supervision and actual reporting on the Josh Gordon saga. The Browns finally reached their breaking point with the talented receiver, and Florio expects a move to happen quickly.

Win
Sep 17, 2018
#9282
Mike FlorioMike Florio

Josh Gordon will be traded on Monday

I think [Josh Gordon] is going to be traded at some point on Monday. And then the Browns wash their hands of him.

Josh Gordon was indeed traded to the Patriots on that Monday, September 17, 2018.

Florio also weighed in on the landing spots for Gordon, noting that several contenders are likely sniffing around the former All-Pro despite the baggage.

Win
Sep 17, 2018
#9283
Mike FlorioMike Florio

Josh Gordon's likely landing spots are the Seahawks, Patriots, or 49ers

I think that Seattle would be one of the teams... I think the Patriots would have to be considered... I'd say Seahawks, Patriots, 49ers would be the three teams I'd watch.

Gordon was traded to the Patriots, which was one of Florio's top three.

The interview covered the 'burping' and 'farting' of the new roughing the passer rules. Florio proposed a radical solution to the Clay Matthews-style officiating disasters that would fundamentally change how the game is played to protect the league's investments.

Loss
Sep 17, 2018
#9285
Mike FlorioMike Florio

The NFL should treat QBs like kickers and prohibit all contact after the ball is out

Just treat the quarterback like a punter or a kicker. Once the ball's out, you can't touch him. Then there's no ambiguity... if you don't touch the ball and the ball's out and you hit the quarterback, it's a foul just like it is for a punter and a kicker.

The NFL never adopted this rule; they instead clarified and eventually eased off on the frequency of the body weight calls.

Before letting him go, Big Cat tried to corner Florio into talking about his fantasy team, which is the only thing more painful than watching the Bills. Florio resisted the 'SeatGeek' trap as long as he could before admitting his teams are basically the NFL equivalent of the Cardinals and Bills.

Loss
Sep 17, 2018
#25700
Mike FlorioMike Florio

The Buccaneers will beat the Steelers on Monday night to move to 3-0

We assumed they were going to be 0-3 in the games Winston missed, and now here they are 2-0, and they're looking good, and the Steelers look like crap. I think they could be 3-0. I think you've got to ride with Fitzpatrick for as long as you can.

The Steelers beat the Buccaneers 30-27 on Monday Night Football.

Segments included Who’s Back, where Big Cat mourned the death of the Wisconsin Badgers' national title hopes after a soul-crushing loss to BYU. It’s free football for the rest of the year in Madison, which usually just means getting blackout drunk for the Outback Bowl. The show wrapped up with a Monday Reading from the Daily Mississippian about how Nick Saban is actually an underachiever, which is the kind of motivation Saban probably mailed to the newspaper himself.

Let's just see if Mitchell Trubisky can throw to his left on Monday Night.

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Loss
Sep 17, 2018
#9268
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Todd Bowles is a top-ten NFL coach

I still think that Todd Bowles is a top-ten coach. Everybody knows the Dolphins always play the Jets tough.

Bowles went 4-12 in 2018 and was fired by the Jets. Most metrics would not have him in the top ten in 2018.
Win
Sep 17, 2018
#9270
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Patriots are going to trade for Josh Gordon

If you're anything like me, your first reaction [to the Josh Gordon news] was the fucking Patriots are going to get him.

The Patriots did indeed trade for Josh Gordon on September 17, 2018, shortly after this episode aired.
Void
Sep 17, 2018
#25699
Big CatBig Cat

The 'Philip Rivers line' is the definitive way to judge if an NFL quarterback is elite

The Mendoza line... it's just the Philip Rivers line. Would you take said quarterback over Philip Rivers? If you would, then he's an elite quarterback. If you wouldn't, then he is a sucky quarterback. Philip Rivers straddles that line perfectly.

This is an inherently subjective framework for ranking quarterbacks.
Win
Sep 17, 2018
#9275
Big CatBig Cat

Bears vs. Seahawks is the most important game in franchise history

I think the Bears, as I said, not me overreacting to the loss against the Packers. I called it the most important game in franchise history. And as such, I think they will win.

The Bears won 24-17. While not literally the most important game in history, they did win.
Loss
Sep 17, 2018
#9276
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Chris Carson will run for a lot of yards against the Bears

I think the Bears are going to win. I'm eager to see [Chris Carson] run for a shitload of yards, as I predicted.

Chris Carson had only 24 rushing yards on 6 carries in that game. He did not run for a 'shitload' of yards.
Loss
Sep 17, 2018·Who's Back
#9278
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Roger Goodell is making kickers miss to justify getting rid of ties

We had a theory last year... that Roger Goodell was trying to save football or at least appear like he was the good guy by having all of his kickers miss these easy field goals so that he could come in and change the rules and get rid of ties altogether.

Hot TakeFootballFireSarcastic
Purely satirical conspiracy. The NFL did not get rid of ties; in fact, there was another tie shortly after this discussion.
Win
Sep 17, 2018·Who's Back
#9280
Big CatBig Cat

Wisconsin is out of the national title race after losing to BYU

The one redeeming quality about Wisconsin Badger football fans is we are realists to a fault. I never, we're not, we're out of the national, you know. It's not going to happen. We could win every game and it still wouldn't happen. You can't lose as 23 and a half point favorites.

Wisconsin finished the season 8-5 and was nowhere near the playoff, so Big Cat was correct to write them off.
Void
Sep 17, 2018
#25701
Mike FlorioMike Florio

Bill O'Brien would be at the front of the hot seat list if he hadn't just received a contract extension

The Houston Texans... who were 4-12 last year, and Bill O'Brien still got a contract extension. You know, if he hadn't gotten that extension, I think he'd be the guy at the front of the hot seat list right now.

O'Brien survived 2018 (finished 11-5) and wasn't fired until 2020.
Loss
Sep 17, 2018
#9287
Mike FlorioMike Florio

Todd Haley will take over for Hue Jackson at some point this season

I think Todd Haley is the guy that ends up taking over at some point for the rest of the season, at some point this year [in Cleveland].

When Hue Jackson was fired on Oct 29, 2018, Todd Haley was also fired immediately. Gregg Williams became the interim coach.
Loss
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Nick Saban is an underachiever because he only wins a title every other year

Nick Saban's an underachiever... with this in mind, five national titles really does not seem like enough in an 11-year period. If Saban were as good at being a head coach as he is at recruiting, Alabama would have won the national title on a yearly basis. But he isn't.

Hot TakeCFBScorchingSarcastic
Saban is widely considered the GOAT of college football. Suggesting that winning 'only' 5 titles in 11 years is underachieving is a comedic hot take.

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