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NFL Week 13, Niners Pump The Eagles, Fastest 2 Minutes, College Football Playoff Set And Florida State Got Screwed

Monday, December 4, 202318 takes

NFL Week 13 is here and we start with Fastest 2 Minutes. We then recap every game from Sunday (-) Lions 33, Saints 28 (-) Texans 22, Broncos 17 (-) Colts 31, Titans 28 (-) Cardinals 24, Steelers 10 (-) Falcons 13, Jets 8 (-) Dolphins 45, Commanders 15 (-) Chargers 6, Patriots 0 (-) Bucs 21, Panthers 18 (-) Rams 36, Browns 19 (-) Chiefs 27, Packers 19 (-) Niners 42, Eagles 19 (-) We then talk college football playoff and how Florida State got screwed but we ended up with a great College Football Playoff. Talk Championship Saturday and more. (-)

NFL Week 13, 49ers Pump the Eagles, and the FSU Playoff Snub

Week 13 started with the usual Fastest Two Minutes energy, but it quickly transitioned into some of the most heated debates of the season. Between the 49ers physically imposing their will on the Eagles and the College Football Playoff committee officially losing the plot, there was plenty to get through. Big Cat and PFT Commenter broke down the Sunday slate before diving into why Florida State fans have every right to burn it all down.

The Saints and the Taysom Hill Experience

The Lions jumped out to a 21-0 lead against New Orleans in what felt like six minutes, but the Saints somehow clawed back into it. The discussion inevitably turned to the nightmare that is the Saints' salary cap situation and their refusal to embrace a rebuild. While Derek Carr continues to be Derek Carr, PFT Commenter thinks the solution is actually sitting right on the bench.

Void
Dec 4, 2023
#2882
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Saints should let their offense run through Taysom Hill all the time.

They should just let that offense run through Taysom Hill all the time. There's nobody like him in the NFL. He seems to be effective at moving the chains. The offense is something that like, you can't really prepare for that well.

The Saints continued to split time between Derek Carr and Hill, never fully committing to Hill as the primary engine of the offense.

Big Cat was even more blunt about the state of the franchise. He argued that the worst thing for the Saints right now is actually being competent enough to stay in the hunt for the NFC South title.

Void
Dec 4, 2023
#2883
Big CatBig Cat

The Saints need to blow everything up and reset their franchise

The Saints just have to admit that they suck and they have to start blowing everything up because the Saints have been doing this for, it started at the end of the Brees era and it's been going on ever since where they just continually kick the can down the road. The Saints are $71 million over the cap next year. I don't even know how that's possible. Why wouldn't they just start trading people? Start cutting, start trading, just reset everything. If you're a Saints fan, you have to want a fresh restart.

Subjective opinion on roster management, though the Saints notably did NOT blow it up and continued to restructure contracts for 2024.

CJ Stroud and the Texans' Rise

CJ Stroud continues to look like a ten-year veteran, leading the Texans to a massive win over the Broncos. Despite those leaked pre-draft test scores that everyone obsessed over, Stroud’s ability to process the field in real-time is clearly among the league's elite.

Win
Dec 4, 2023
#25529
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

CJ Stroud clearly has elite processing speed despite the leaked S2 cognition test scores.

Whatever his processing speed is, whoever leaked the information about CJ Stroud not being able to pass that S2 cognition test—genius smokescreen because that guy processes things so quickly. Like [Big Cat] said last week, the game moves so slow for him.

Stroud went on to win Offensive Rookie of the Year and led the Texans to a playoff win, demonstrating elite mental processing.

While the Texans are surging, other AFC teams are falling into the "slog" of mediocrity. Big Cat highlighted the job Shane Steichen is doing with Gardner Minshew in Indy, specifically a perfectly timed fake rub route that iced their win against the Titans.

Loss
Dec 4, 2023
#2884
Big CatBig Cat

Shane Steichen should be the NFL Coach of the Year

Shane Steichen is coach of the year. That touchdown play, the Michael Pittman touchdown where they ran a fake rub route was like so perfectly—I'd have to imagine they had run that rub route a bunch of times and then to save the fake for that exact moment was ran to perfection.

Kevin Stefanski won the 2023 AP NFL Coach of the Year award, though Steichen finished high in the voting (runner-up).

Tyreek Hill for MVP?

The Dolphins absolutely dismantled the Commanders, and Tyreek Hill is putting up numbers that are becoming impossible to ignore. The guys discussed whether a wide receiver can actually win the award in a year where no quarterback is truly running away with it. Big Cat thinks Tyreek has officially overtaken his own quarterback in the hierarchy of importance.

Loss
Dec 4, 2023
#2885
Big CatBig Cat

Tyreek Hill should be in the MVP conversation and is currently better than Tua

Why isn't Tyreek Hill in the MVP conversation? I think he is. He's gonna get 2,000 yards. I think he should. If any wide receiver gets it, it should be Tyreek Hill. How about that? Tua is eliminated. All the fun Dolphins offense stats will now go to Tyreek Hill in terms of the MVP convo.

Tyreek Hill finished 2nd in AP Offensive Player of the Year voting and 6th in MVP voting; Lamar Jackson won MVP.

The Crown Jewel and the Dom Game

The 49ers went into Philly and "shit-pushed" the Eagles in a game that wasn't as close as the 42-19 score might even suggest. The highlight of the game wasn't even a play, but the ejection of "Big Dom" DiSandro, the Eagles' head of security, after a sideline scrap with Dre Greenlaw. Max was forced to admit that the better team won on Sunday, even if he wants to point to the rest advantage.

Win
Dec 4, 2023
#2887
MaxMax

The 49ers are definitively the best team in the NFC right now

Obviously the Niners shit-pumped the Eagles. They're the better, they're the better team right now without question. But they had 10 days of rest. It's a fact. It's not just obvious to be like, 'oh yeah, we just saw what happened, that's what's gonna happen in the NFC Championship game.'

The 49ers went on to reach the Super Bowl representing the NFC, while the Eagles collapsed and lost in the Wild Card round.

The College Football Playoff Injustice

The biggest news of the weekend happened off the field, as an undefeated Florida State team was left out of the final four-team playoff in favor of Alabama. Big Cat and PFT Commenter tried to balance the two conflicting truths: that FSU was robbed, but the actual games we're getting will be incredible. PFT suggested that FSU's medical staff could have been a bit more "creative" with Jordan Travis's injury status to put the committee in a corner.

Void
Dec 4, 2023
#25531
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Florida State should have lied about the extent of Jordan Travis's injury to force the Playoff committee's hand.

They would be better off if Florida State just lied about the extent to which Jordan Travis was injured and said he could come back in time for the playoffs. Because then at that point that would've put them up against the wall on the Playoff committee 'cause they'd be like, oh shit, how do we figure out exactly how injured this guy is?

Since FSU did not lie, the outcome is speculative, though the committee cited the injury as the primary reason for exclusion.

Despite the snub, Big Cat noted that for the first time in the CFP era, there isn't a single team in the field that feels like a sacrificial lamb.

Win
Big CatBig Cat

This is the first CFP where all four teams can legitimately win the title

Florida State debacle aside, this is the first time I feel like we have a college football playoff where all four teams can win the title. And it's not like a leap of imagination. It is four teams that are so fucking good and they all kind of do stuff... it's gonna be a great matchup everywhere.

The games were extremely competitive (Alabama-Michigan went to OT, Washington-Texas was a one-score game), supporting the claim of parity.

Hot Seat/Cool Throne and Who's Back

To wrap things up, the guys hit on the Dr. Pepper Halftime Challenge, which saw a triple-overtime thriller and a bit of controversy. Big Cat is officially leading the charge to modernize the rules for next year's office competition.

Void
Dec 4, 2023·Who's Back
#25532
Big CatBig Cat

The chest pass should be banned from the Dr. Pepper Halftime Challenge.

I'm a hundred percent in on that... they should just move it back. That would ban the chest pass.

This is a matter of personal preference and show tradition, though the rules have not changed.

On the NBA side, LeBron James found himself in a war of words with Ime Udoka. While LeBron usually laughs off trash talk from guys like Dylan Brooks, Udoka seemed to actually get under his skin.

Void
Dec 4, 2023·Who's Back
#25533
Big CatBig Cat

Ime Udoka mentally alpha'd LeBron James during their trash talk exchange.

The fact that Ime [Udoka] got in [LeBron James'] head about this tells me Ime is mentally alpha him... Dylan Brooks, you can say like 10 times worse things to LeBron... the fact that Ime got in his head about this tells me Ime is mentally alpha him.

Subjective interpretation of player/coach psychology.

Packers fans, enjoy your voodoo while it lasts, because the Week 18 banner-raising ceremony in Chicago is already being planned.

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Void
Dec 4, 2023
#25528
Big CatBig Cat

Making the playoffs as the NFC South representative would be the worst thing for the Saints long-term.

The worst thing that could happen to the Saints is they somehow get into the playoffs as the NFC South representative, lose a game and then they can tell themselves, oh we were, we were pretty close. We were a playoff team. Like, you just gotta hit reset on everything.

The Saints finished 9-8 and missed the playoffs anyway, and did not 'reset' their roster or coaching staff significantly in the following offseason.
Win
Dec 4, 2023
#20168
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Joe Flacco has an elite spiral and I'm bullish on him taking the Browns to the playoffs

Joe Flacco actually looked good today. The spiral was sick. He has an elite spiral. He was hitting dudes downfield. He had a connection with Elijah Moore. Flacco was still throwing the fuck out of the football today. I'm bullish on Joe Flacco. I think he's definitely better than DTR or PJ Walker. I could see Joe Flacco taking this team to the playoffs.

Flacco did take the Browns to the 2023 playoffs, going 4-1 as a starter and earning AFC Offensive Player of the Month in December.
Win
Dec 4, 2023
#2886
Big CatBig Cat

Jordan Love is actually good and the Packers will make the playoffs

The Packers are going to go to the playoffs and Jordan Love is good. And it's fucking bullshit. He looks so much better than he did at the beginning of the season. He's come along and it's bullshit. He looks comfortable. He is doing fucking Rodgers shit. The whole thing is bullshit. Nothing in life is fair.

The Packers did make the playoffs and Jordan Love finished the season with 32 touchdowns, proving he was a franchise-caliber starter.
Loss
Dec 4, 2023
#25530
Big CatBig Cat

I will raise a banner in the office if the Bears beat the Packers in Week 18 to keep them out of the playoffs.

I'd raise a literal banner in the office if the Bears beat the Packers week 18 to keep them out of the playoffs. There will be an actual banner made that I will raise and have a banner raising ceremony. And I know that sounds so pathetic and so sad, but I do not care 'cause it'll mean that much to me.

The Packers beat the Bears 17-9 in Week 18 to clinch a playoff spot, so no banner was raised.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Florida State deserved to be in the Playoff, but Alabama makes for better TV

Two things can be true at the same time. Florida State deserved to be in the college football playoff. The college football Playoff is better off with Alabama in it. If you asked literally any division one coach, who would you rather play? Florida State or Alabama? I think they would all say they would rather play Florida State.

Subjective debate regarding the CFP committee's criteria.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

If Florida State beats Georgia in the Orange Bowl, they should claim a National Championship

If Florida State goes and beats Georgia in their bowl game, claim that National Championship. Just claim it. Just say it. Pull the UCF and no, there's no rule of saying that you can't declare yourself National champion if you're undefeated. That's what I would do.

Florida State lost to Georgia 63-3, so the condition of them beating Georgia was not met.
Void
Dec 4, 2023·Who's Back
#2891
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NFL should allow players to wear either zero, one, or three-plus mouthpieces

Anthony Evans... was wearing not one, not two, but three mouthpieces at once on his person. He's got a red one in his mouth, yellow one hanging down, and then he has a third mouthpiece that's jammed into his left ear hole on his helmet. I kind of love three mouthpiece. Congress needs to step in. You can't do two. You can do three or more. You can do one, zero, or three or more. That's my ruling.

Inherently nonsensical fashion 'ruling.'
Loss
Dec 4, 2023·Who's Back
#25534
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Indiana coach Curt Cignetti shouldn't have claimed the Hoosiers would be in the Big Ten title game next year.

He went to the Indiana basketball game and he said Purdue sucks, so does Michigan and Ohio State... He said 'I'd figure I should make this trip up here since we'll be playing in this game next year.' ... He should not have said that. That's stupid.

While PFT called it 'stupid', Indiana actually went 11-1 in 2024 and was in the CFP hunt, making Cignetti's claim remarkably prescient even if they narrowly missed the title game.

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