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NFL With Steve Smith, The Jameis Winston Experience, CFB With Brandon Walker And Listener Submitted Pardon Your Takes

Wednesday, December 4, 202418 takes

MNF was the full Jameis Winston experience and we can’t get enough (-). Incredible Rivalry week recap with Brandon Walker plus we talk CFP playoffs, who is going to get screwed, what takes we got wrong and is Brandon daunted (-)? Hot Seat/Cool Throne including incredible coping from Ohio State fans and NBA Cup (-). Steve Smith joins the show to make good on his bet, talk NFL, what receivers he loves, George Pickens and Super Bowl pick (-). We finish with listener submitted takes (-).

Steve Smith Sr., Brandon Walker, and the Jameis Winston Masterclass

The Jameis Winston experience reached its final form on Monday Night Football. We’re talking 497 yards, four touchdowns, and three interceptions—two of which were returned for touchdowns. If you count the yards gained by players in both jerseys, Jameis effectively threw for over 600 yards. It was the most electric brand of football imaginable, proving once again that Jameis is the ultimate neutral-site viewing experience.

Void
Dec 4, 2024
#11650
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Jameis Winston is the best athlete to root for of all time as long as he's not on your team

He is the best athlete to root for of all time on not your team. What we saw on Monday night was 460 yards... He's a drug. Jameis Winston is a drug that I want to be addicted to forever.

While Jameis was busy throwing up 50/50 balls, Bo Nix continued to look like the real deal for Denver. Even in a loss, the composure is there, but he just happened to run into a hurricane named Jameis. Memes, meanwhile, is already looking at the future of his own broken franchise.

Loss
Dec 4, 2024
#11652
MemesMemes

Jameis Winston will be the next quarterback of the New York Jets

James Winston is the next QB of the New York Jets.

Jameis Winston signed with the New York Giants, not the Jets. The Jets went in a different direction at quarterback.

The Ryan Day Nightmare and CFP Chaos

Brandon Walker joined the show to dance on the grave of Ohio State after their catastrophic loss to Michigan. Big Cat and Brandon agreed that Ryan Day has essentially become the modern-day John Cooper, a coach who can win 11 games a year but has a total mental block when it comes to the Wolverines. The decision to prioritize a "game manager" quarterback backfired in the most spectacular way possible.

Win
Dec 4, 2024
#11653
Brandon WalkerBrandon Walker

Ohio State settling for Will Howard over Cam Ward was a massive failure

They went to the Mercedes dealership this year and got a safety. They went to the Mercedes dealership and they got a running back and they went to Dollar General and got a quarterback. I have no idea why they did that. When Miami's going out and getting Cam Ward and everybody else is doing this and they settle for Will Howard.

Cam Ward finished top 3 in Heisman voting while Howard struggled in Ohio State's biggest games, validating the disparity in their quality.

As we look toward the first-ever 12-team playoff, the debate over who gets the final spots is heating up. Big Cat is already bracing himself for the committee to do exactly what they always do when a brand-name SEC team is hovering near the bubble.

Win
Dec 4, 2024
#11655
Big CatBig Cat

The College Football Playoff committee will find a way to get Alabama in

They're gonna find a way to get Alabama into this tournament. Yeah, they are... Alabama will get it in my opinion. And I don't think that's the correct pick. Yeah. But I think that's what they're gonna do.

Alabama was selected as the #11 seed in the inaugural 12-team College Football Playoff on December 8, 2024.

Brandon Walker also took a flamethrower to the current conference structure. He argued that super conferences have created a world where a team like Indiana can go 11-1 without facing the same gauntlet as their peers, leading to massive schedule disparity. He also had some choice words for Lane Kiffin's recent behavior on Twitter.

Void
Dec 4, 2024
#11656
Brandon WalkerBrandon Walker

Lane Kiffin is embarrassing himself by whining about the schedule after losing to Kentucky

He is embarrassing himself as he has most of the the, the season... Lane Kiffin is the Ole Miss coach should be saying, we want to go the SEC championship game... And now he's doing this whining about schedule and he is whining about strength of schedule... While all he had to do was beat Kentucky a four and eight team who won one SEC game.

We also got a cameo from Liam Blutman, the world's number one ball watcher, to talk Heisman. While the world seems ready to hand the trophy to Travis Hunter, Liam is sticking to the trenches and the yards after contact.

Loss
Dec 4, 2024
#11657
Liam BlutmanLiam Blutman

Ashton Jeanty deserves the Heisman over Travis Hunter

If I had to vote for the Heisman, I would vote for Ashton [Jeanty]. I think I would personally vote for Jeanty. I think it's not talked about enough that the seconding rusher in the country is Ashton Jeanty after contact. I think it's insane.

Travis Hunter won the Heisman Trophy on December 14, 2024, by a significant margin.

Steve Smith Sr. Pays the Debt

Friend of the program Steve Smith Sr. finally returned to face the music regarding his lost Panthers bet from last year. He officially owes Big Cat and PFT a shipment of his signature flat-brim hats. Beyond the wager, Steve broke down why he thinks the Dolphins' cold-weather struggles are overblown and offered a nuanced take on the resurgence of Bryce Young.

Void
Dec 4, 2024
#24223
Steve Smith Sr.Steve Smith Sr.

Bryce Young has improved because he was finally able to watch the game from a different perspective

You just getting a guy that gives opportunity to see the game from a different perspective. Seeing it from the seat versus seeing it from behind the center and getting an opportunity to be coached and seeing, you know, not everybody deals with adversity the same. But obviously Bryce has shown you that he could deal with adversity.

This is an expert evaluation of a player's psychological and tactical growth.

Steve remains one of the few guys who will give an honest, jersey-off assessment of current players. Whether he's talking about George Pickens needing to rein it in or his respect for Lad McConkey, the insight is always elite. He even gave us his revised Super Bowl outlook as we head into the home stretch.

Push
Dec 4, 2024
#11661
Steve Smith Sr.Steve Smith Sr.

Super Bowl Pick: Lions vs. Chiefs or Eagles vs. Bills

Let's go with Detroit-Kansas City. Or Philly and Buffalo.

Steve Smith's picks were Detroit-KC or Philly-Buffalo. The actual Super Bowl was Eagles vs. Chiefs. The Eagles-Chiefs matchup was close to his second option (he had Eagles and Bills, not Eagles and Chiefs), and neither of his exact matchups was correct, but he had the Eagles right in one and the Chiefs right in the other.

Hot Seat/Cool Throne

Hank put NBA stars who sit out back-to-backs on the Hot Seat, specifically calling out the "load management" culture. Big Cat countered by declaring himself a full-blown NBA Cup guy, embracing the neon courts and the desperate late-game scoring for point differentials.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

I love the NBA Cup courts and the point differential incentive

I am a full NBA cup guy... The courts I love. I like something different. I also love the fact, and this is probably because I like to gamble on overs that teams are playing for point differential. That makes it fun.

The Bears also dominated the conversation following the firing of Matt Eberflus. Big Cat provided some behind-the-scenes context on what finally broke the camel's back in Chicago, involving a very vocal Jalen Johnson. Despite the front-office mess, Big Cat is surprisingly high on the Bears' chances this weekend under interim leadership.

Loss
Big CatBig Cat

The Bears will beat the 49ers this week because they'll play hard for Thomas Brown

I actually think the Bears are gonna win that game. I think they're gonna play for Thomas Brown.

The Bears played the 49ers on Dec 8, 2024. The 49ers won 38-13.

We closed out with some listener-submitted takes, including a debate on whether Lamar Jackson is closing the gap on Patrick Mahomes. While the Ravens are rolling, the consensus remains that you need more than one ring to start talking about unseating the king.

At least we can all agree that seeing Ryan Day lose to a 'down' Michigan team is the best holiday gift a college football fan could ask for.

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More Takes

Win
Dec 4, 2024
#11651
Big CatBig Cat

Bo Nix is the real deal

Bo Nix is the real deal. But this was the Jameis show. Like I, I feel bad because, you know, it was gonna be Bo Nix's coming out party. Unfortunately he had to play against Jameis Winston...

Bo Nix had a strong rookie season, leading the Broncos into playoff contention.
Void
Dec 4, 2024
#11654
Big CatBig Cat

Kyle McCord would have won the Michigan game for Ohio State by three touchdowns

And, and you know who probably wins that game? Kyle McCord... Oh, Kyle McCord wins that game by three touchdowns.

Void
Dec 4, 2024
#24219
Brandon WalkerBrandon Walker

The super conferences are a mistake because they allow for massive schedule disparity

The super conferences are probably a mistake. The super conferences this year have allowed teams... [to] allow schedule disparity that we didn't have before. And the schedule disparity allows Ohio State to play every other team in the top five of the Big 10 and Indiana to play none of them.

This is a subjective opinion about the structural health of the sport.
Loss
Dec 4, 2024
#24220
Brandon WalkerBrandon Walker

Notre Dame is built to beat elite teams but cannot win three or four in a row to win a title

I think they are built to beat an Oregon, to beat an Ohio State, to maybe beat a Texas, I don't think they can beat three of those in a row. Or maybe two out of three. I just don't think they're going to be able to put together enough of a passing game... I don't think they have enough consistent offense to win three games in a row.

Notre Dame proved they could beat multiple elite teams in a row during the 2024-25 CFP. They beat Georgia 23-10 in the quarterfinals and Penn State 27-24 in the semifinals before losing to Ohio State 34-23 in the National Championship. They won two consecutive games against elite opponents.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

The MLB 'Golden at Bat' rule would be awesome and make the end of games more exciting

I like this rule. I think that makes it cool... think about like the ninth inning when you're like, oh, you know, [Ohtani] made the last out. But he can, he can bat again and we're down two. That's cool.

Purely an opinion on the entertainment value of a proposed rule.
Win
Big CatBig Cat

The Bears fired Matt Eberflus because Jalen Johnson told him to shut up

Jalen Johnson basically told Eberflus to fuck off in front of the whole team after the Lions game. And that was the moment where they're like, oh, we should maybe fire this guy.

While the Bears' official stance didn't cite this, reporting from NFL insiders confirmed a locker room meeting where veteran leaders expressed extreme frustration.
Void
Dec 4, 2024
#11660
Steve Smith Sr.Steve Smith Sr.

The Dolphins' struggles in cold weather are more about their opponents being good than the elements

Green Bay isn't a cakewalk. Buffalo bills aren't a cakewalk. To blame everything on the cold weather to say the cold weather has these guys not playing, man, miss tackles happen in the heat... Sometimes the end result gets you get distracted because of the way someone articulates it that you disregard the actual content.

Void
Dec 4, 2024
#11662
HankHank

If Lamar Jackson wins the Super Bowl this year, he begins to unseat Patrick Mahomes as the best QB in the league

If Lamar wins the Super Bowl this year, he'll begin to unseat Mahomes as the best QB in the league. Absolutely some merit [to that]. If Josh Allen wins the MVP in a Super Bowl, he's in that conversation too.

Mahomes has three rings and three Super Bowl MVPs; Lamar would still only have one in this scenario, making 'unseating' him a major debate.

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