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Belichick Out In New England, Nick Saban Talk With Andy Staples, Aaron Schatz On Wild Card Weekend + Picks & Preview

Friday, January 12, 202425 takes

Bill Belichick is out in New England and Hank is sad. We talk about the exit, his legacy and where he'll go next (-). We also talk about the wild 2 days that saw Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, and Belichick all leave their jobs (-). Super Wild Card Weekend picks and preview for every game Saturday and Sunday (-). Andy Staples joins the show to talk about Nick Saban's retirement, best Nick Saban memories, and who's going to take the job next (-). Aaron Schatz from FTN Fantasy joins the show to talk about DVOA, which he invented, and how it applies to teams in the playoffs. Weaknesses and strengths for every team and who he thinks is over achieving and under achieving (-). We then finish with Fyre Fest of the week (-).

Belichick Out in New England, Saban's Legacy, and Super Wild Card Picks

The sports world just got hit with a tectonic shift. Within 24 hours, the greatest college football coach ever retired and the greatest NFL coach ever was shown the door. Big Cat, PFT, and a mourning Hank processed the news that Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, and Bill Belichick are all suddenly out of jobs. While Hank is still in the denial phase of grief, Big Cat pointed out that Pete Carroll’s dual-threat resume is often overlooked in the GOAT conversation.

Void
Jan 12, 2024
#5587
Big CatBig Cat

Pete Carroll has an argument for being a top 10 football coach of all time

Pete Carroll has an argument for being a top 10 football coach of all time. He's 14th all time in NFL wins. He's got two national titles in college football. If you put it all together, Pete Carroll has an argument for being a top 10 football coach of all time.

Subjective all-time ranking.

The focus quickly shifted to the future of the Patriots. Hank is already campaigning for a specific former player to take the reins, citing his personal connection to the show as a primary qualification.

Loss
Jan 12, 2024
#5588
HankHank

I would rather the Patriots hire Mike Vrabel than Jerod Mayo to replace Bill Belichick

I would rather Vrabel... He's a recurring guest, friend of the program. He's proven it. Super Bowl champion. Obviously Mayo is too, but I would rather Vrabel just [because of his] proximity to the show.

The Patriots hired Jerod Mayo on January 12, 2024, the day this episode aired, making Hank's preference obsolete.

Max had a different perspective on the Belichick exit, suggesting that Bill might have been the one looking for an escape hatch to find a roster that doesn't require a five-year overhaul. PFT, however, is out on the idea of the Commanders bringing him in, noting that his new status as an unemployed coach makes him a much less attractive "retread."

Win
Jan 12, 2024
#5589
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I am no longer interested in the Commanders hiring Bill Belichick because he is now unemployed

I don't think I'm interested any longer at Bill Belichick because now that he doesn't have a team, it's like, do I really want to... he was way more attractive as a candidate when he had a job. Now it's like, oh, this unemployed guy wants to work for me... I don't want a retread like Belichick.

The Commanders did not hire Belichick; they hired Dan Quinn.

Super Wild Card Weekend Preview

Saturday kicks off with Joe Flacco leading the Browns into Houston. While CJ Stroud has been a revelation, Big Cat thinks the rookie is about to run into a buzzsaw against a Jim Schwartz defense that has been eating young quarterbacks alive all season.

Loss
Jan 12, 2024·Picks
#5593
Big CatBig Cat

The Cleveland Browns will beat the Houston Texans in the Wild Card round

I think there's maybe a little, like, you might get into a point where it's like, as great as CJ Stroud's been this year, this is a different animal. And this is a different beast. And this is a team that's, that's completely different than the teams that they've been beating down the stretch.

The Texans beat the Browns 45-14.

PFT and Big Cat are both feeling points in this one, trusting both offenses to move the ball despite the elite defensive units on the field.

Win
Jan 12, 2024·Picks
#29108
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I like the over in the Browns vs. Texans game.

I kinda like the over in the game too. Good weather... I like the Browns offense. I like the Texans offense. Browns defense obviously is out of this world. But I still think CJ Stroud is gonna get his.

The final score was 45-14 (59 total points), comfortably clearing the over of 44.5.

The night cap features the "Candy Ass" Miami Dolphins traveling to the frozen tundra of Arrowhead. The wind chill is projected to be negative 30 degrees, which is a death sentence for a team that has historically struggled when the temperature drops below fifty. PFT isn't overthinking it: he's taking the home team because Tua simply doesn't look like the same player in the cold.

Win
Jan 12, 2024·Picks
#5594
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Kansas City Chiefs will beat the Miami Dolphins because Tua Tagovailoa cannot play in the cold

I don't see Tua winning this game... the stats that you had for Tua, you can just watch Tua when he plays in the cold. He looks very uncomfortable going on the road. Arrowhead is like one of the top two or three hardest places to play... I think I'm gonna take the Chiefs.

The Chiefs beat the Dolphins 26-7 in one of the coldest games in NFL history.

Big Cat also found his "prop of the year" for this matchup, banking on Mahomes going back to his most reliable target when the stakes are highest and the weather is miserable.

Loss
Jan 12, 2024·Picks
#5595
Big CatBig Cat

Travis Kelce to score a touchdown is the Super Wild Card prop of the year

Travis Kelce scored touchdowns plus money now. And the dolphins are not great guarding the tight end. And I do think that like when you get to the playoffs, Patrick Mahomes will be like, who can I trust? Travis Kelce's the guy I can trust.

Kelce did not score a touchdown in the Wild Card game vs. Miami.

The Bills and the Nerd Numbers

Sunday features the Bills hosting the Steelers in what could be a snow-filled bloodbath. While Big Cat is finally buying into Buffalo as a legitimate Super Bowl contender because of their improved ground game, PFT is looking at the point spread and finding value in the Steelers' voodoo.

Loss
Jan 12, 2024·Picks
#5596
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Pittsburgh Steelers will beat the Buffalo Bills outright

I like the Steelers moneyline... You hate all our friends. You hate our futures. It's gotta be a dog that wins.

The Bills beat the Steelers 31-17.

To settle the debate, Aaron Schatz (the inventor of DVOA) joined the show to explain why the numbers actually support some of Big Cat’s Buffalo glazing. Schatz noted that despite the high-profile interceptions, Josh Allen is doing more with less than almost any other passer in the league.

Win
Jan 12, 2024
#29114
Aaron SchatzAaron Schatz

Josh Allen is elite despite the interceptions because he has the lowest sack rate in the league and often throws 'punted' interceptions.

The interceptions that Allen throws are for the most part not as bad because they tend to be downfield or on fourth down. And we don't talk about the fact that he had the lowest sack rate of any quarterback this year. Right. Those are negative plays too. And he doesn't take a lot of sacks. So like he was in quarterback value, I think we had him third this year... Allen does so much more of it on his own.

Schatz's DVOA metrics confirm Allen's efficiency, and Allen famously took zero sacks in his two 2024 playoff games.

Schatz also provided a massive red flag for anyone betting on the Rams to make a deep run. While their offense is humming, their special teams unit is historically putrid and likely to blow a game at some point in January.

Win
Jan 12, 2024
#29113
Aaron SchatzAaron Schatz

The Rams' historically bad special teams will likely cost them a game at some point in the playoffs.

The worst [special teams unit] by far by far was the Rams. Yeah. The Rams were the sixth worst special teams unit in DVOA history... Their special teams like it almost cost them against the Giants. It absolutely cost them the game against the Ravens. Punt return and touchdown in overtime. Their special teams are terrible... I would say it's likely that that will happen at some point along the way.

The Rams lost to the Lions by 1 point in the Wild Card round; while not a single special teams play decided it, they did miss a field goal in a one-point game.

The Alabama Vacuum

Andy Staples hopped on to discuss the fallout of Nick Saban’s retirement. Staples believes that while Saban was always the master of adaptation, the NIL era and the sheer amount of money pouring into rival SEC schools finally made the job more trouble than it was worth.

Void
Jan 12, 2024
#29111
Andy StaplesAndy Staples

NIL is the primary reason Nick Saban decided to retire.

I think that the NIL stuff would be number one outta that bunch. [The NIL part] was something that bothered him... Texas is coming into the SEC Oklahoma's coming into the SEC, they gotta deal with LSU. Tennessee's very well funded. Like you can't make more rich people in Alabama... You're not gonna have as many people as they care deeply about Texas and Texas A&M football 'cause they just have more people.

While Saban hinted at these frustrations in later interviews, the exact primary reason for his retirement remains a mix of factors including age and family.

As for who replaces the legend, Staples warned that the honeymoon period in Tuscaloosa will be about as long as a Saban press conference after a loss. The expectations remain at an impossible level, and whoever takes the whistle better have a ring in their first few seasons.

Open
Jan 12, 2024
#29112
Andy StaplesAndy Staples

The next Alabama head coach will be expected to win a National Title within three years.

Your job at Alabama is to win the national title every year... The Alabama fan base will not be patient. But I think the administration given like if, if the the person is making reasonable progress toward national titles... the administration's probably gonna be fine with that. But the fan base will be raising holy hell if they're not winning national titles in three years.

Kalen DeBoer was hired; we will see if he wins a title by the end of the 2026-27 season.

It’s the most wonderful time of the year, even if Hank has to spend it watching the Cowboys in a Dak Prescott jersey.

Stay warm, bet the overs, and don't share hats with anyone who has lice.

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More Takes

Void
Jan 12, 2024
#29106
MaxMax

Bill Belichick might have wanted to leave the Patriots to find a team with a roster ready to win now.

I think that there's a chance he did wanna leave. I think that he might be at a point where he doesn't want to do a rebuilding coaching team and he wants to go to a, a place that has guys. I think that like, if the Cowboys are on the table... he may be willing to go to a give that up for a team. A team that could win now.

The true motives of Belichick and Kraft remain private, making this an unconfirmable opinion.
Loss
Jan 12, 2024
#5590
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Bill Belichick's mystery landing spot could be the Dallas Cowboys

I have three candidates for the mystery team. The Dallas Cowboys. If Mike McCarthy loses in the first, or maybe even in the second game, if they get their ass kicked in the divisional round, I could see Jerry Jones being like, we gotta make a change, Belichick's out here.

Belichick did not join the Cowboys in the 2024 cycle; McCarthy was retained.
Void
Jan 12, 2024
#29105
HankHank

I still give Bill Belichick slightly more credit than Tom Brady for the Patriots' dynasty, roughly a 51 to 49 percent split.

I think it's 51-49 [Belichick over Brady]... it's not a one or the other. 2001 that was, that was Belichick. I know [Brady won a Super Bowl without him], I'm just saying it's not like... I think it's, if it's 51-49, whoever you want to call it. It's not a one or the other.

This is a purely subjective debate that can never be definitively resolved.
Void
Jan 12, 2024
#5591
HankHank

I will be the biggest Dallas Cowboys fan if they hire Bill Belichick

If he goes to Dallas, I'm gonna be the biggest Cowboys fan. Even bigger than I am now.

The condition (Belichick going to Dallas) never met.
Void
Jan 12, 2024·Picks
#29107
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Deshaun Watson has the highest ratio of football talent to being a bad person of any player currently in the NFL.

In today's game, I would say that Deshaun Watson has the biggest football to good guy ratio. [He is a] way better football player than human being. Insanely a large gap.

The definition of a 'good guy' is subjective, though Watson's legal history provides context for the take.
Win
Jan 12, 2024·Picks
#29109
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Josh Allen will have a big day running against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I see a lot of plays where [Herbig] gets upfield because he likes to do that... they leave that little gap there on the end. And Josh [Allen] is just gonna eat that up. I think that Josh is gonna have a big day running.

Josh Allen had 8 carries for 74 yards and a touchdown, including a spectacular 52-yard scoring run.
Loss
Jan 12, 2024·Picks
#29110
Big CatBig Cat

The Bills are very dangerous to go to the Super Bowl because they finally have a legitimate running game.

I do think the Bills are very dangerous to go to the Super Bowl... I'm bullish about the Bills because if you look back at last year and that Bengals game and that playoff game and they got bullied, absolutely bullied. The Bills now do have a legitimate running game... They have James Cook who's been awesome. Josh Allen is a part of the running game and Leonard Fournette can be a bully in cold weather.

The Bills were eliminated in the Divisional Round by the Chiefs, failing to reach the Super Bowl.
Win
Jan 12, 2024·Picks
#5597
Big CatBig Cat

Nuclear missile whale play on the Packers vs. Cowboys over

I think I might make this a nuclear missile whale play on the over... I don't know how the Packers are gonna stop the Cowboys. And I also don't really know how the Cowboys are gonna stop the Packers 'cause Jordan Love's been that good... I like this over a lot. 50 and a half.

The final score was 48-32 (80 points), easily clearing the 50.5 line.
Win
Jan 12, 2024·Picks
#5598
Big CatBig Cat

I am switching my pick to the Detroit Lions over the Los Angeles Rams

I said Rams all week... and I've switched... I'm betting the Lions. I'm gonna take the Lions just because I don't want to make blood money off the Rams winning... I think the Lions are better.

The Lions beat the Rams 24-23.
Void
Jan 12, 2024
#5599
Andy StaplesAndy Staples

The Alabama job is still a top three job but harder than Georgia and Ohio State

I still think [Georgia's] the best job. I think it's easier to recruit to Georgia... Ohio State's probably a better job because the way you dominate that state... Alabama is a little bit harder than those jobs. And Nick Saban made it look easy.

Subjective ranking of jobs.
Loss
Jan 12, 2024
#5600
Andy StaplesAndy Staples

Mike Norvell is my guess for the next Alabama head coach

I'm going to say Mike Norvell. That is going to be my guess. He's been recruiting in this area... Florida State has to recruit against Alabama, Auburn...

The Alabama job was ultimately taken by Washington's Kalen DeBoer.
Win
Jan 12, 2024
#5601
Aaron SchatzAaron Schatz

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are slightly favored over the Philadelphia Eagles in Wild Card Weekend

The biggest one for me is Philadelphia and Tampa Bay. I actually, in my projections, I have Tampa Bay very, very slightly favored... If you look at the weighted numbers that give more weight to recent games, Tampa Bay is 15th, Philadelphia is 21st.

The Buccaneers beat the Eagles 32-9.
Loss
Jan 12, 2024
#5603
Aaron SchatzAaron Schatz

Buffalo and Dallas are the two best teams in the NFL outside of San Francisco and Baltimore

The number two teams in each conference are pretty clearly Buffalo and Dallas. Not just the number two seeds, but the number two teams by both DVOA and weighted towards the end of the season. If somebody's gonna win this thing other than San Francisco or Baltimore, it's probably going to be Buffalo or Dallas.

Dallas lost in the Wild Card round; Buffalo lost in the Divisional round. Neither made the Super Bowl.

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