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Buffalo Bills Pro Bowler Richie Incognito

Monday, December 4, 201713 takes

The Fastest 2 Minutes and Football Week comes to a conclusion in the Buffalo Airport as the guys recap a week on the road, the Big Ten Championship game and a Sunday with Bills Mafia ( - ). NFL Week 13 recap. Who's Back Of The Week and Football Guy of the Week ( - ). Pro Bowl Offensive Lineman Richie Incognito joins the show to talk about the Bills season, his hatred for Thursday night games, what it's like to go through a 5 interception half and tips for Hank's Rough and Rowdy fight ( - ). Segments include Let's Get Mad About College Football Online where we break down the Final 4 and how Nick Saban white knuckled his way to another playoff berth. Stay Classy for the Chiefs and Thoughts and Prayers for Eli Manning

Richie Incognito on Bills Mafia, Thursday Night Football, and Hank’s Fight

Football week has finally come to a close, and Big Cat and PFT are recording from the glamorous surroundings of a cigarette lounge at JFK. After a week that saw the guys trek from the Bears-Eagles game to Indy for the Big Ten Championship and finally to the glorious chaos of Buffalo, they’ve seen it all. From Zubaz as far as the eye can see to shots being drank out of athletic equipment, Buffalo didn't disappoint.

The Heartbreak of the Big Ten

The Big Ten Championship game left Big Cat reflecting on the ceiling of programs like Wisconsin. While the Badgers hung tough, the speed of Ohio State eventually took over. Big Cat isn't looking for a rebuild, though. He’d much rather be relevant and losing the big ones than be a complete doormat.

Void
Dec 4, 2017
#8972
Big CatBig Cat

I would rather root for a team that loses in the big game than one that never makes it

I still think I would take a team that's consistently – I would rather be in the big game and lose the big game than never sniff the big game. I can't imagine being a fan of Vanderbilt football.

This is an inherently subjective philosophy on fandom.

There is a certain reality to being a fan of a blue-collar program. You know the identity, but you also know the limitations when you aren't pulling the top-tier talent from the traditional power states.

Win
Dec 4, 2017
#8973
Big CatBig Cat

Wisconsin will never win a national championship because they don't get fast five-star recruits

I'm sticking with what Wisconsin has, even though I know in my heart of hearts they'll never get the fast guys, they'll never get the really good guys, so they'll never win.

Wisconsin has not won a national championship since this take and continues to struggle with elite speed/recruiting compared to SEC/Big Ten elites.

NFL Week 13 Reactions

Moving to the NFL, Case Keenum continues to be the story in Minnesota. Despite Mike Zimmer’s best efforts to keep everyone guessing, Keenum has officially become the guy. Big Cat thinks the leash has finally been removed.

Win
Dec 4, 2017
#8979
Big CatBig Cat

Case Keenum has reached the point where he won't be benched even if he loses a game

Case Keenum has now gotten to the point where if he loses a game, I think he still gets to play the next game. So it's really Case Keenum, we're going to do this.

Keenum remained the starter for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs, including the Minneapolis Miracle.

Meanwhile, the Packers are lurking. With Aaron Rodgers’ return on the horizon, the fear is real for the rest of the NFC North. PFT is already looking at the schedule and seeing the inevitable.

Loss
Dec 4, 2017
#8974
Big CatBig Cat

The Packers will run the table and make the playoffs when Aaron Rodgers returns

The Packers are definitely – I mean, they're going to run the table. Hey, Aaron Rodgers, remember when you created that? ... Run the table.

The Packers finished 7-9 and missed the playoffs as Rodgers' return was short-lived and unsuccessful.

In New York, the Ben McAdoo era is reaching a tragic-comic end. The decision to bench Eli Manning for Geno Smith was the final straw for many, and PFT has a very specific theory on what starting Geno does to a head coach's career longevity.

Win
Dec 4, 2017
#8976
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Starting Geno Smith is a cyanide pill that ends an NFL coaching career in a week

He realized that starting Geno Smith is a suicide machine for coaches. That's just a pill that you pop cyanide. It's like the dude in Bosnia, I have taken poison, should have just stood up and said, I have started Geno Smith. And he's dead within the week. It's over.

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Ben McAdoo was fired by the Giants on December 4, 2017 — literally the day this episode was released — just one week after the Geno Smith decision.

Richie Incognito Joins the Show

Pro Bowl offensive lineman Richie Incognito joined the guys in his living room to recap the Bills' loss to the Patriots. Richie didn't hold back on the Gronk late hit, calling it cheap, and gave a peak behind the curtain of what it's like to play for a guy like Sean McDermott who is busy taking away the locker room pool tables to change the culture.

Richie also touched on the sheer absurdity of the NFL schedule, specifically his hatred for the short turnaround of Thursday Night Football.

Void
Dec 4, 2017
#8980
Richie IncognitoRichie Incognito

Thursday Night Football is garbage and destroys player safety

It's the worst shit ever. It's so stupid. They could take Thursday Night Football and stick it right up their ass. Let's fuck up everybody's preparation. Let's have guys who are hurt playing on four days rest. It's just bullshit, you know?

This is an opinion, though widely shared by players.

Beyond the weekly grind, Richie gave some sobering insight into the power dynamics of the league. When asked about the next CBA, he was brutally honest about why the players struggle to get what they want at the negotiating table.

Win
Dec 4, 2017
#26932
Richie IncognitoRichie Incognito

NFL players have no leverage in CBA negotiations because they will never strike

I think they're [the owners] going to take us behind the woodshed again. They got us last time. We have no leverage because we'll never strike. They'll lock us out and really kind of just dictate the terms of everything with us.

The 2020 CBA was passed without a strike and was seen as a major victory for owners, including the addition of a 17th game, largely confirming Incognito's lack of leverage claim.

Despite the loss to New England, Richie is still a believer in this Bills squad. He isn't just hoping for a Wild Card spot; he’s calling his shot for how the season ends.

Push
Dec 4, 2017
#8983
Richie IncognitoRichie Incognito

The Bills will finish 10-6 and make the playoffs

I'll go 10-6. Okay, that's a guarantee to the playoffs. Win a road game in New England. The curse has been broken. Yes, we're coming. You just beat us, but we're coming to your house, Brady.

The Bills finished 9-7, not 10-6, and lost to the Patriots in New England. However, they DID make the playoffs, so the core of the take was right.

Before letting him go, Richie gave some fighting advice to Hank for his upcoming Rough and Rowdy bout against Tex. Richie isn't exactly a fan of Tex's tough-guy act in the office.

Win
Dec 4, 2017
#26933
Richie IncognitoRichie Incognito

Tex can't fight and is a little girl

Tex can't fight. He's a little girl. I love how Tex just goes around the office and punks people just on the whole tough guy kick. ... He tries very hard and it doesn't work.

Tex lost to Hank in their Rough N Rowdy match shortly after this, largely proving Richie's point about his fighting ability.

College Football Playoff Anger

The show wrapped up with the guys getting properly mad about the College Football Playoff committee. Alabama is in, Ohio State is out, and the logic seems to change every fifteen minutes. Big Cat thinks the committee is full of it, but he can't argue with the talent gap.

Win
Big CatBig Cat

Alabama is a better team than Ohio State regardless of the committee's logic

The only thing I care about, I actually have no problem with Alabama being in because I do think that they're a better team than Ohio State. I just think the committee is full of fucking shit. At the end of the day, all that fucking matters is losses and big losses. And if Ohio State doesn't lose by 31 to Iowa, they're in.

Alabama went on to win the National Championship, supporting the claim that they were the better team than an Ohio State squad that was excluded.

As for the actual games, Big Cat is predicting a rough night for Nick Saban once the Crimson Tide actually have to line up against Dabo Swinney's squad.

Loss
Big CatBig Cat

Clemson is the best team in the country and will crush Alabama in the playoffs

I actually think Clemson's going to win it all. I think they're the best team. I think they're going to whoop the fuck out of Alabama, which is going to be hilarious because then you get the Ohio State fans being like, should have been us to get the whoop the fuck out of Clemson.

Incorrect. Alabama defeated Clemson 24-6 in the Sugar Bowl semifinal and went on to win the championship.

If you're looking for Eli Manning this week, just check the middle of the bench.

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More Takes

Void
Big CatBig Cat

The Big Ten Championship game should be played outdoors to neutralize speed and favor Big Ten style football

It's kind of stupid that the Big Ten... plays a championship game indoors, don't you think? I think speed should be neutralized. That's probably why Wisconsin lost. Maybe play it in cold, like gross field. ... That's football. Nobody likes offense anyways.

The game remains indoors at Lucas Oil Stadium, so this remains a subjective opinion on how the conference should operate.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

USC should have been ranked ahead of Ohio State in the final playoff rankings

USC... should have at least been discussed. They should have been ahead of Ohio State in some ways. And that's really what it comes down to, big losses. ... West Coast bias is back, officially back.

This is a subjective ranking argument, though Ohio State beat USC 24-7 in the Cotton Bowl that year, which undermined the argument.

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