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Morgan Cox & Justin Tucker 11/20/16

Sunday, November 20, 201618 takes

NFL Week 11 recap. The Browns are officially eliminated from the playoffs. Football Guy of the Week. The Tiger Woods Memorial Who's Back Of The Week. Morgan Cox and Justin Tucker join us from the Baltimore Ravens to talk about Special Teams, long snapping trick shots, and Joe Flacco. Segments include Kicker's Psychiatrist Couch, Stay Woke, Sabermetrics, Hurt or Injured, Just Chill Out Man for Aaron Rodgers. Hmmm for Adam Schefter not going to Mexico and a new segment "Talk To The Listeners".

Morgan Cox and Justin Tucker on Special Teams and Joe Flacco

NFL Week 11 is in the books and the Cleveland Browns are officially eliminated from the playoffs. While the math only became official this weekend, PFT Commenter was way ahead of the curve on this one.

Win
Nov 20, 2016
#1485
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I officially called the Browns being mathematically eliminated from the playoffs back in August

I actually broke that news back in August. The second they announced RG3 as their starting quarterback... I said, okay, they've just clinched last place in the AFC. They've clinched the first draft pick, and they're mathematically eliminated right now.

The Browns were indeed the first team eliminated and finished 1-15 in 2016.

The biggest story of the weekend remains the Dallas Cowboys, who are now an insane 9-1 against the spread. Big Cat is finally ready to stop hating and start betting, which is a terrifying prospect for anyone holding a Cowboys ticket for Thanksgiving.

Push
Nov 20, 2016
#1486
Big CatBig Cat

I'm jumping on the Cowboys train and betting on them for Thanksgiving, which means they'll probably lose

How long am I going to keep doubting the Dallas Cowboys? They're now nine and one against the spread... I'm going to bet on them Thanksgiving Day. And they're going to get, I don't know if they'll lose, but they're not going to cover the spread.

The Cowboys beat the Redskins 31-26 on Thanksgiving but failed to cover the 7-point spread, making Big Cat partially correct about the cover but wrong about the loss.

Beyond the gambling lines, Dak Prescott is winning hearts by picking up a Gatorade cup he accidentally dropped, a move that the media is treating like he personally brokered world peace.

Void
Nov 20, 2016
#1487
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Dak Prescott picking up his Gatorade cup proves he is a classy young man

How about Dak Prescott showing his leadership by picking up the cup of Gatorade that he tried to throw away? It's just a class act, a precocious, classy young man.

This is a subjective opinion delivered with extreme irony.

Football Guy of the Week

Nick Saban is a frontrunner after nearly decapitating a reporter for asking about a halftime score against Chattanooga. Big Cat is convinced Saban's commitment to the grind is truly homicidal.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

Nick Saban would actually kill a reporter on camera if it didn't stop him from coaching the next week

Nick Saban actually would kill a reporter, I think, on camera. If he could still coach next week, if he could coach in the Iron Bowl, even though he killed a reporter at halftime, he would do it.

Hyperbolic statement about personality, not a literal prediction.

Meanwhile, Ben McAdoo is trying his hardest to join the ranks of the elite football guys by switching up meeting room seats to make players "comfortable being uncomfortable." PFT isn't buying the act.

Win
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Ben McAdoo is a watered-down fraud trying too hard to sound like a real football guy

Ben McAdoo seems like he's trying real hard as a first-year head coach to be a football guy. I think he's overextending himself a little bit. He sounds like a fraud. He's like a watered-down football guy. If this was like Coughlin doing this, then I would absolutely accept this is a football guy.

McAdoo was fired less than two seasons into his tenure, largely seen as failing to lead the locker room effectively.

Bill Belichick also earned a nomination for pretending he doesn't know what a "quick release" is or what the nerds are doing with their metrics, even though we all know the truth.

Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Bill Belichick 100% pays attention to metrics but acts like he doesn't for his brand

He absolutely pays attention to metrics. 100% he does, but he acts like he doesn't. So he's playing a double mind game... he's like I'm going to make them think that I'm even more of a football guy than I really am when behind the scenes I've got my spreadsheets set out.

While Belichick is known for using every advantage possible (including data), his true thoughts on 'metrics' are subjective.

Ravens Special Teams Royalty

Morgan Cox and Justin Tucker joined the show to discuss the glamorous world of special teams. Morgan Cox clarified that he never uses the "H-word" (hike) and discussed the dangers of Troy Polamalu jumping over the line. Despite the struggles of the program, Cox is still holding out hope for his alma mater.

Loss
Nov 20, 2016
#1493
Morgan CoxMorgan Cox

Butch Jones has Tennessee football headed in the right direction

I love Butch Jones, and he's building the program. It's headed in the right direction... We've planted a lot of seeds, but hopefully one's going to catch on pretty soon.

This take aged poorly as Butch Jones was fired less than a year later following a disastrous 2017 season.

Justin Tucker crashed the interview to defend Joe Flacco's honor. When the question of whether Flacco is truly elite came up, the specialists pointed to the jewelry.

Void
Nov 20, 2016
#1494
Morgan CoxMorgan Cox

Joe Flacco is an elite quarterback and I have a Super Bowl ring to prove it

Is he elite or what? I mean, yeah. I've got a Super Bowl ring to prove it.

Whether Flacco is 'elite' is the ultimate subjective debate of the mid-2010s.

The Kicker Epidemic

With 11 missed extra points this weekend, the guys had to open the Kicker Psychiatrist Couch. PFT believes the issue is entirely mental because kickers are inherently fragile.

Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Kickers are the most psychologically weak people in the world

The problem is we put the most psychologically weak people in a place to do it. Kickers are the most psychologically weak. So we need to put people with stronger minds to become kickers.

Subjective characterization of an entire position group for comedic effect.

Big Cat has a more conspiratorial view of the situation. Since it is Salute to Service month and the NFL donates $1,000 per point to charity, he thinks Roger Goodell is pulling the strings to keep that money in the league's pocket.

Loss
Nov 20, 2016·Stay Woke
#1496
Big CatBig Cat

Roger Goodell is making kickers miss to save money on the NFL's Salute to Service donations

The NFL donates $1,000 to the three core nonprofit partners for every point scored [during Salute to Service month]. Roger Goodell... is trying to save a little coin. The NFL ratings are hurting... He probably sat everyone down and said, guess what? We'll get some kickers to miss some extra points. Boom. $11,000 saved today.

The league does not instruct players to miss kicks to save on charity donations.

If it’s not a money-saving scheme, PFT thinks it might be a play for the most legendary score in sports history to boost the ratings.

Loss
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NFL is encouraging missed kicks to create '69' scorelines for ratings

I also think tying into it, what's more interesting? A game that's 17-10... Or if you casually glance at a scoreboard and see a 16-9 game? If I see 69 and I'm like, what kind of crazy hijinks was going on there? I'm going to tune in... it's going to make me more likely to watch.

Hot TakeFootballHotSarcastic
The claim is that the league intentionally manipulates games for 'nice' numbers, which is a joke.

Just Chill Out Aaron Rodgers

Aaron Rodgers is under fire for his personal life, with reports surfacing that he hasn't talked to his family in years and even sent back Christmas gifts. PFT has a theory that this isn't about family drama, but about a biological limit on winning football games.

Loss
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

A quarterback's win capacity is like eggs in a woman's body: once you use them, they're gone

Every quarterback has a set number of wins that's in their body by the time they hit the NFL. It's like eggs inside of a woman's [body]. You're born with that number, and then once you lose them all, then guess what? They're gone forever. So Rodgers won too many games too early.

Wins are not a biological finite resource determined at birth.

The show wrapped up with a new segment called "Talk To The Listeners," where the guys left awkward dead air in the middle of the podcast so you could finally feel like you were part of the conversation at home.

Don't forget to wash your apples.

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More Takes

Void
Nov 20, 2016·Who's Back
#1488
Big CatBig Cat

Russell Wilson is a bizarre human being who would be in a mental institution if he weren't an athlete

The person who woke him up every hour and a half, the voodoo people, the hypnotist, the concussion water, the strength coach... he's just a bizarre human being... if he wasn't an exceptional athlete and he did all this shit, he would probably be in a mental institution.

This is a subjective characterization of Wilson's well-documented eccentricities.
Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

It is a breath of fresh air for a Penn State coach like James Franklin to keep things in-house

I think it's a good breath of fresh air for a Penn State coach to keep things in-house. What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room. You don't need to be bringing that home.

Purely satirical and based on a comparison to past institutional failures.
Void
Nov 20, 2016·Who's Back
#1492
Big CatBig Cat

Snow football is the key to driving NFL ratings back up

I think that this is absolutely the key to driving ratings back up is get a couple snow games in people will watch snow football all day.

Snow games do consistently draw high viewership, but ratings are driven by many factors.
Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

NFL teams should just go for two every single time they score a touchdown

Is there any reason why teams shouldn't just go for two every time? No, not at all. Just go for two every time... isn't 50% of two greater than 97% of one?

Analytically, the expected value of going for 2 is often higher, but game context prevents it from being a universal 'correct' play.
Win
Nov 20, 2016·Sabermetrics
#1498
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Jacksonville cannot beat teams that are named after big cats

Jacksonville has lost seven straight games to teams that are named after big cats, just like the Jaguars. So it's one of those situations where Superman can beat anybody, but he can't beat Kryptonite because he's from Kryptonite.

At the time, the Jaguars had a long losing streak against fellow feline-mascot teams.
Loss
Nov 20, 2016·Hmm
#1501
Big CatBig Cat

Adam Schefter didn't go to Mexico because he's afraid of getting kidnapped because he fits perfectly in a trunk

Maybe because his body is so short and it fits so perfectly in a trunk, he doesn't want to go there and get kidnapped.

Hot TakeMediaHotSarcastic
Cruel comedic bit, not a factual claim.

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