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NBA Preview - WC With Rachel Nichols, EC With Richard Jefferson and Army HC Jeff Monken

Wednesday, December 23, 202015 takes

We clean up MNF and the disaster the Steelers have become. (-) Mini preview of Week 16. (-) Hot Seat Cool Throne including Dwayne Haskins going to strip clubs. (-) Army Football Coach Jeff Monken joins the show to talk about Army’s season, finding a bowl game, and the last of the hards.(-) Western Conference preview with Rachel Nichols, surprising teams, the Clippers hating each other and load management. (-) Eastern Conference preview with Richard Jefferson, Kyrie, team chemistry and expectations for the Bucks.(-) We finish with guys on chicks (-)

NBA Preview with Rachel Nichols and Richard Jefferson, Plus Army Coach Jeff Monken

The Pittsburgh Steelers have officially transitioned from the best team in the league to the most concerning, and Big Cat isn't holding back. After a disastrous Monday Night loss to the Bengals, it feels like the wheels haven't just come off; the entire car is in a ditch. Big Ben looks old, the offense can't run the ball, and the aura of invincibility is gone.

Win
Dec 23, 2020
#3732
Big CatBig Cat

The Pittsburgh Steelers are straight up frauds

The Pittsburgh Steelers are frauds straight up frauds. 11 and 0 to 11 and 3 losing as 14 point favorites to the Bengals. They are broken, they are hurt. They are damaged. And I don't know, like, has there ever been a team that's gone 11-0 and finished 11 and 5 and still going to the playoffs?

The Steelers finished 12-4 and lost in the Wild Card round at home to the Cleveland Browns, confirming the 'fraud' narrative for that season.

While the Steelers look like they are decaying in real-time, the guys looked back at Eli Manning as the genius of the 2004 quarterback class for knowing exactly when to hang it up.

Void
Dec 23, 2020
#3734
Big CatBig Cat

Eli Manning had the best retirement strategy by leaving early rather than hanging on like Big Ben

Who actually is coming out the biggest winner, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning. Eli Manning retired first. He was the first to leave the party. Now he was obviously, when he got bad at the end, it was bad, but our lasting memories are now going to be a bad, bad Big Ben... Eli's just sitting, eating, whatever, like sloppy Joes... and he's going to end up being like, Oh, remember Eli. He was awesome. He never got bad. He's like, it is a great lesson. Like leave the party, be the first to leave.

This is subjective but historically supported; Roethlisberger played one more season in 2021 where his physical decline was heavily criticized, while Eli's 2019 season is often viewed more through a lens of nostalgia.

With the playoffs approaching, the outlook in Pittsburgh is bleak. There is a very real possibility they enter the postseason on a massive skid, which usually doesn't lead to a long stay in January.

Win
Dec 23, 2020
#26254
Big CatBig Cat

The Steelers are going to limp into the playoffs and sputter out in the first or second round.

This Steelers team, it feels like they're going to limp in and probably sputter out in the first or second round.

The Steelers lost at home in the Wild Card round to the Cleveland Browns, 48-37.

NBA Preview: The West with Rachel Nichols

Rachel Nichols joined the show to help make sense of the Western Conference and the impending return of the Sonics. While fans in Seattle are desperate for their team back, Rachel pointed out that the league's motivation might be more about the bottom line than nostalgia.

Open
Dec 23, 2020
#3743
Rachel NicholsRachel Nichols

The NBA's consideration of expansion to Seattle is primarily driven by the need for billions in expansion fees

The truth is they need money. And if they expand again, it's about a billion dollars a franchise... They're talking about, 'Oh, should we put more Jersey patches on stuff like that to make up the extra revenue they're not getting from ticket sales?' The Seattle SuperSonics coming back, that would be a hell of a Jersey patch. You would definitely rake in the cash.

While expansion hasn't happened yet, it is widely reported by NBA insiders that expansion fees (expected to be $4-5 billion per team) are a key driver for future league growth.

As for the actual basketball on the court, the Suns are the trendy pick to make a jump. Rachel thinks the addition of Chris Paul changes their floor entirely, even if they aren't ready to take down the Lakers just yet.

Win
Dec 23, 2020
#26257
Rachel NicholsRachel Nichols

The Phoenix Suns will solidly make the playoffs this year with Chris Paul.

The Suns with Chris Paul should be really good. I'm not expecting them to contend for a title, but I think they would solidly get in the playoffs there.

The Suns didn't just make the playoffs; they finished with the second-best record in the NBA and reached the NBA Finals.

Naturally, the conversation turned to James Harden and his apparent desire to play anywhere that isn't Houston. Despite the constant rumors, Rachel thinks the Rockets are going to hold out until a suitor loses their mind.

Win
Dec 23, 2020
#3744
Rachel NicholsRachel Nichols

The James Harden trade sweepstakes won't move until a team gets truly desperate

They have to wait for a team to be desperate. And how long is that going to take? ... The reason I say that is to get a Paul George type package to get an Anthony Davis type package for in trade, which is what you want if you're the Rockets... until someone gets desperate, I don't see James Harden moving.

Harden was traded less than a month later (Jan 13, 2021) to the Nets in a massive four-team deal that included three first-round picks and four pick swaps, fitting the 'desperate/massive package' criteria.

The East with Richard Jefferson

Richard Jefferson brought his usual energy to break down the Eastern Conference, specifically the circus surrounding the Brooklyn Nets. While everyone is crowning them, RJ is trying to keep the expectations somewhat realistic for a team with a first-time head coach.

Loss
Dec 23, 2020
#3745
Richard JeffersonRichard Jefferson

The Brooklyn Nets season is a success if they reach the conference finals, it's not championship or bust

If they get to the conference finals and lose to Milwaukee or lose to a Boston, I think that's a great season. I don't think it's championship or bust, even if they have championship goals... when you have a new group together, it's not a one-year championship or bust.

The Nets lost in the Conference Semifinals in 7 games to the Bucks. By Jefferson's own metric, this would likely make the season a disappointment since they didn't reach the ECF.

He also provided a fascinating breakdown of why Giannis Antetokounmpo still struggles when the game slows down in the postseason. According to RJ, the Bucks need a closer who doesn't rely on transition to score when the clock is winding down.

Loss
Dec 23, 2020
#3746
Richard JeffersonRichard Jefferson

Giannis Antetokounmpo cannot be your best player in the final two minutes of a playoff game

Giannis might be when it comes down to the last two, three minutes of the game, he can't be your best player because of the style of game that he has... not a great free throw shooter, not a great jump shooter, everybody packs the paint... if you put James Harden on that team and late game where you need a bucket, you need free throws... he would be a perfect fit.

Giannis famously proved this wrong later this same season, leading the Bucks to a championship and scoring 50 points in the close-out Game 6, including making 17 of 19 free throws.

Beyond the heavy hitters, RJ is high on the Atlanta Hawks making a significant move up the standings. He also dismissed the idea that the Clippers or Nets need to be one big happy family to win a ring, citing his own experiences on championship teams.

Void
Dec 23, 2020
#3748
Richard JeffersonRichard Jefferson

Championship teams don't need to be friends, they just need to respect each other

There is no championship team that are just holding hands and skipping their way to the finals. There's going to be moments where you don't want to talk to each other... you have to respect each other. You don't have to get along. I think that's been proven time in and time out.

This is a long-standing debate in sports psychology, but many championship teams (like the 2000s Lakers or 90s Bulls) have succeeded despite internal feuds.

The Last of the Hards

Army head coach Jeff Monken joined the show to discuss the Black Knights finally securing a bowl game. Coach Monken is the ultimate Football Guy, and he explained the origin of the phrase that has become synonymous with his program.

Void
Dec 23, 2020
#3741
Jeff MonkenJeff Monken

Army football players and soldiers are the 'last of the hards'

The over 1 million men and women who serve in the United States army that we represent when we go and play in this bowl game and we play every week, they are the last of the hard... they are the people who are willing to do the hard jobs and other people don't want to do to stand in the gap between freedom and those wanting to take it from us. And it takes a hard person that's determined and has a spirit about them that's different.

This is a philosophical and cultural stance about the identity of the Army football program.

Monken’s team has been through it this year, not seeing their families since May to keep the season alive. It’s the kind of grit that makes you want to run through a brick wall, or at least bet on a triple-option team in a bowl game.

Hot Seat Cool Throne

Hot Seat is Dwayne Haskins, who decided that a global pandemic and a struggling season was the perfect time to hit the strip club without a mask. PFT pointed out that regardless of the health risks, Haskins' timing from a purely tactical standpoint was offensive.

Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Going to a strip club on Sunday is just bad decision making regardless of COVID protocols

Going to a strip club on Sunday is just in general, not a smart idea. Sunday's not a good strip club day... a smart quarterback in my book would either go Monday for $5 buckets or you go on Thursday for the lunch steak and shrimp combo.

The logic is comedic and satirical; evaluating the 'best day' for a strip club is entirely subjective.

The Washington Football Team seems to be reaching the end of the rope with their former first-round pick, and the vibes in DC are trending toward a permanent divorce.

Win
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Dwayne Haskins is probably going to be cut by the Washington Football Team this week.

Dwayne Haskins... is probably going to be cut this week.

Dwayne Haskins was released by Washington on December 28, 2020, just days after this episode aired.

On the Cool Throne, PFT is looking at the Rams. While everyone is laughing at them for losing to the Jets, there might be a 4D chess move hidden in the embarrassment.

Loss
Dec 23, 2020
#26255
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Rams losing to the Jets might actually be a favor because it provides a wake-up call and could lead to a better playoff matchup against the NFC East winner.

The Rams may have actually done themselves a favor by losing [to the Jets]. One, little wake-up call... Number two is there is a possibility that that would make the Rams play against the NFC East winner in the playoffs. They have beaten every team in the NFC East.

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The Rams didn't play the NFC East winner (Tampa Bay did); the Rams played the Seahawks in the Wild Card round. While they won that game, losing to the Jets is never a 'favor'.

In a week of fraud alerts, Big Cat is putting the Packers on notice. They have a massive test against the Titans, and if they can't stop the run, the 'fraud' label is getting slapped on them immediately.

Loss
Dec 23, 2020
#3736
Big CatBig Cat

If the Titans can't run the ball down the Packers' throat, the Packers are frauds

This game to me is everything. Unfortunately it is everything. Because if the Titans can't run the ball down the Packer's throat and score at will, I'm going to start having very bad feelings about the Packers being frauds.

The Packers actually beat the Titans 40-14, and Derrick Henry was held to under 100 yards, proving the Packers weren't frauds in that specific context.

Go enjoy the McRib and have a Merry Christmas.

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Win
Dec 23, 2020
#26258
Richard JeffersonRichard Jefferson

The Atlanta Hawks will crack the top five spots in the Eastern Conference this year.

I say Atlanta. Because you look at what they added... you add another score, another shooter to that team... I truly believe that they'll finish strong and all of a sudden they start moving up the ranks. So I like Atlanta.

The Hawks finished as the 5th seed in the Eastern Conference and made a run to the Conference Finals.

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