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NBA Writer Zach Harper, Coach Charlie Weis And Shark Tank Of New Segments

Wednesday, February 7, 201821 takes

Time travel episode. We finished taping at 7 pm and all hell broke loose in the sports world so we went back to the office at midnight to wrap up all the story lines (-). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Elon Musk rockets and Mike Tice retiring because no one will listen to him anymore (-). NBA Writer Zach Harper (@TalkHoops) joins the show to catch us up on the 2017-18 season and which teams are frauds (-). Coach Charlie Weis joins us to talk about his football career, Belichick, and the famous parrot in his house(-). Segment Shark Tank where we figure out new segments. "Piss and Tell", "6 Degrees of blaming Robert Griffin", "Take Quakes", "Genes Friday", "Soggy Sorrows", "You Triggered Bro", and "E-Sports Update with Darren Rovell" featuring Darren Rovell . We end the show with bachelor talk for guys that don't watch the bachelor.  BONUS INTRO BEFORE ALL THE NEWS BROKE What does it mean for the world now that it has set in that the Eagles are Super Bowl Champions. We wrap up some lingering SB 52 story lines including poop eating fans, should we be a Free Meek Mill podcast, and Gronk's house getting robbed (-).

Zach Harper and Charlie Weis on NBA Frauds, Belichick’s Magic, and Segment Shark Tank

We had the entire show taped and ready to go by 7:00 PM, and then the sports world decided to light itself on fire. Big Cat and PFT Commenter had to pull a midnight shift to address the absolute chaos of Josh McDaniels pulling a "going out for cigarettes" move on the Indianapolis Colts. The guys break down the deep-state operation in New England, with Big Cat convinced that the health of a certain star quarterback's shoulder was the ultimate dealbreaker for McDaniels.

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Feb 7, 2018
#16864
Big CatBig Cat

If Andrew Luck was 100% healthy, Josh McDaniels would have taken the Colts job

I'll put it this way. If Andrew Luck was 100% healthy, then [Josh] McDaniels takes this job.

While speculative, Luck's health was indeed a massive storyline for the Colts, and he retired shortly after due to the toll of injuries. McDaniels never went to Indy, staying in New England.

There is a massive amount of intrigue regarding what Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick promised McDaniels to make him stay. Whether it’s a coach-in-waiting situation or a grudge against the Colts for Deflategate, the move leaves Indy in the dust and the rest of the league wondering how much longer the dynasty can actually last. Big Cat isn't convinced everyone is on the same page in Foxborough, especially regarding the relationship between the hoodie and the GOAT.

Push
Feb 7, 2018
#21298
Big CatBig Cat

Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are not on good speaking terms

I absolutely believe that Tom Brady and [Bill] Belichick are not on good speaking terms right now. And maybe this is also a thing where Tom Brady... is like, you know what? I'm going to retire if Josh [McDaniels] leaves.

While never explicitly confirmed to be a total silent treatment, reporting from ESPN (Seth Wickersham) and later documentaries heavily suggested the relationship was severely strained at this time.

NBA Fraud Watch with Zach Harper

With football season officially in the rearview, it’s time to pivot to the hardwood. Zach Harper joins the show to walk through which teams are actually contenders and which ones are total frauds. The conversation immediately goes to the dumpster fire in Cleveland, where LeBron James seems to be playing in a locker room full of people who don't even like each other. Zach has a wild theory that Danny Ainge planted a mole in the Cavs organization to finish them off from the inside.

Loss
Feb 7, 2018
#16867
Zach HarperZach Harper

Isaiah Thomas is a mole sent by Danny Ainge to mess up the Cleveland Cavaliers

I'm of the opinion that Isaiah Thomas is a mole. I think that he has been sent to the team... I think this was all worked out. I think it's a fake feud between him and Danny Ainge... We need you to go over there, mess them up, call out Kevin Love, because LeBron's going to be mad because that's his job to call out Kevin Love.

The Cavs were a mess and IT was traded shortly after this interview (the next day) to the Lakers. While not a literal mole, IT's presence was disruptive.

Beyond the Cavs' implosion, Zach gives his take on the Houston Rockets and why their high-octane offense might hit a wall when they run into a team that actually plays defense in the postseason.

Push
Feb 7, 2018
#21300
Zach HarperZach Harper

The Houston Rockets are frauds because they are trying to beat the Warriors at their own game

Fraud. Because they're going to try to beat the Warriors at the Warriors game. Fast pace, shooting threes, what they don't realize is the Warriors also play great defense.

The Rockets pushed the Warriors to 7 games in the WCF and famously missed 27 straight threes. While they didn't win, calling them 'frauds' was arguably harsh given they were the closest threat.

Coaching Insight from Charlie Weis

Coach Charlie Weis sat down with Big Cat and PFT at a crowded bar to discuss his career working under the "Two Bills" and his time at Notre Dame. He offered a unique perspective on what makes Bill Belichick the greatest to ever do it, citing his ability to stay three steps ahead of the rest of the league.

Void
Feb 7, 2018
#16877
Charlie WeisCharlie Weis

Bill Belichick's two best qualities are insight and foresight

There's two qualities that he by far stands apart from everyone else. And I call them insight and foresight. On insight, I mean on a daily and weekly basis, he's on top of everything all the time... and then foresight. Foresight he always seemed to be one step ahead of everybody else. He'd get rid of that guy that everyone still loved, but it was towards the end of his career, and then the next year they'd fall off the shelf.

This is a subjective assessment from a peer/colleague.

Weis also got honest about his time in South Bend and the famous "no offset" clause in his contract that had him sipping champagne every December while Notre Dame paid him to not coach. He also finally gave us the update we all needed on the legendary parrot, Sol Fuego, that lives in his house and apparently hates women.

Shark Tank: Segment Edition

To fill the void left by the NFL season, the guys debuted "Snark Tank" (or Segment Shark Tank) to brainstorm new bits. Ideas ranged from "Piss and Tell," where the guys document their outdoor urination habits, to "Soggy Sorrows," which involves wearing wet clothes while discussing personal failures. Hank was predictably confused by the logistics of the wet clothes, but the vision is there. We also got a brief, chaotic E-Sports update from Darren Rovell that ended exactly how every interaction with Rovell should end: with a dial tone.

Cleaning up Super Bowl 52

Now that the dust has settled on the Eagles' victory, the world is coming to terms with Philly fans being at the top of the mountain. Big Cat and PFT weigh in on the "poop gate" controversy and whether eating horse manure is a bridge too far for a championship celebration.

Void
Feb 7, 2018
#16887
Big CatBig Cat

It is acceptable for Eagles fans to eat horse poop to celebrate their first Super Bowl

I actually stand with the guy who ate the poop. Because I think that's okay. When your team wins a Super Bowl and they've never won a Super Bowl and it's like the immediate euphoria, you are allowed to lose your mind. So I do not call that trash for Philly.

Subjective moral judgment on eating feces.

As the city prepares for a parade that will likely result in several destroyed municipal buildings, the guys look at the future of the quarterback position in Philadelphia. While Nick Foles is a legend forever, the recovery of Carson Wentz is the shadow hanging over the repeat chances.

Win
Feb 7, 2018
#16889
Big CatBig Cat

The Eagles must keep Nick Foles because Carson Wentz might not be ready for the season

I think [the Eagles] should keep Nick Foles for the time being because who's to say Carson Wentz is going to be all of a sudden better in eight months? ... We've been kind of numb to the fact that ACL recoveries are still pretty intense... Carson Wentz is going to take a while.

The Eagles did keep Foles, and he did start the 2018 season as the starter while Wentz continued to recover.

If the Washington Capitals ever actually win a trophy, PFT might be following in that Philly fan's footsteps, so keep those cameras ready.

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Push
Feb 7, 2018
#16865
Big CatBig Cat

Josh McDaniels only stayed in New England because Tom Brady promised to play three more years

I don't think [Josh] McDaniels walks away from Indianapolis if Tom Brady doesn't say to him, 'I'm gonna stay for three more years.' [Josh] McDaniels would be the dumbest person in the world if Belichick's like, 'Yeah, I'm done next year,' and Brady's like, 'Yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna play more than one year,' because then he would basically be [stuck].

Tom Brady played for the Patriots for two more full seasons (2018, 2019) before leaving for Tampa. He played five more seasons in total.
Void
Feb 7, 2018
#16866
Big CatBig Cat

Bill Belichick letting Matt Patricia leave but keeping Josh McDaniels proves he thinks Patricia is a dummy

The other fallout is [Bill] Belichick must think Matt Patricia's a dummy because he's like, 'No, you go ahead. You're not going to be the coach of the New England Patriots when I leave. So you go ahead and don't even look back.'

Matt Patricia's tenure in Detroit was a disaster, and McDaniels eventually did leave for the Raiders, but neither succeeded as head coaches. Belichick didn't promote Patricia to head coach.
Loss
Feb 7, 2018
#21297
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I predict Bill Belichick stays for one more year, Josh McDaniels becomes head coach, and Tom Brady stays for three more years

My prediction is [Bill] Belichick stays for one more year. [Josh] McDaniels becomes the head coach. [Tom] Brady sticks around three more years. That's my prediction. At least one more year after that.

Belichick stayed much longer than one year (retired after the 2023 season). McDaniels never became the Patriots HC (he went to the Raiders and then got fired). Brady did play three more years (and five total).
Loss
Feb 7, 2018
#21299
Big CatBig Cat

The Cleveland Cavaliers have no hope and no chance of winning anything this year

This is the first time I've felt like the Cavs have no hope this year. They actually have no chance this year.

The Cavs actually made the NBA Finals in 2018 (LeBron's legendary carry job), though they were swept by the Warriors. To say they had 'no hope' was wrong as they won the East.
Push
Big CatBig Cat

Now is the best time to buy Bitcoin

Isn't now the best time to buy Bitcoin? I'm going to buy more Bitcoin. That's the plan, right? You've got to reinvest. That's just investing 101.

In Feb 2018, Bitcoin was around $7,000-$8,000. It proceeded to drop to $3,000 by the end of the year, so it was a bad short-term move, though obviously good long-term.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Mike Tice retiring because players 'don't want to be coached' just means he sucks at coaching

Mike Tice is going to retire, and he says it's because players no longer want to be coached... When you say that you're quitting your coaching job because players don't want to be coached, you're just saying, 'I suck at coaching.'

Interpretation of a coach's retirement statement.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Carson Wentz proposing to his girlfriend right after the Super Bowl was a smart move to protect his job

Did you see Carson Wentz propose to his girlfriend today too? ... That's actually really smart on Wentz's part because his job is being questioned by some people. And the person who may have taken your job [Nick Foles] also is packing an absolute unit. And so you have to lock that shit down.

Purely satirical life advice/analysis.
Win
Feb 7, 2018
#16868
Zach HarperZach Harper

The Cleveland Cavaliers are in serious trouble because they have the worst defense in the league

Up until this week, they had a worse defense than the Sacramento Kings and the Phoenix Suns, who are actively trying to lose games. Cleveland is actually trying to win if they were that bad. So yeah, I do think they're in trouble because they can't defend anyone. And their offense, because Isaiah Thomas can't get a shot right now... isn't quite good enough.

The Cavs made the Finals but were swept by the Warriors. Their defense remained bottom-tier all season.
Loss
Feb 7, 2018
#16870
Zach HarperZach Harper

The Detroit Pistons might be a top three team in the Eastern Conference with Blake Griffin

They might have [become top three], because they don't have a ton of depth, but Blake Griffin is really good... between him and Andre Drummond actually carrying this season and a little bit of good coaching from Stan Van Gundy, Boston's up there... Detroit can get in there.

The Pistons finished the 2017-18 season as the 9th seed and missed the playoffs entirely.
Loss
Feb 7, 2018
#16873
Zach HarperZach Harper

The Milwaukee Bucks will win the Eastern Conference if they stay healthy

The Bucks, I'm going to go not fraud. Not fraud in the East because they got rid of Jason Kidd who was terrible... and Giannis is an alien. So if they get healthy, I actually think they go through the East and win. I think it's a lot like the 2007 Cavs where the East was very vulnerable and a young LeBron came through.

The Bucks lost in the first round of the 2018 playoffs to the Celtics. They didn't make the Finals until 2021.
Void
Feb 7, 2018
#16875
Zach HarperZach Harper

Russell Westbrook is the new Allen Iverson: an amazing individual player but not a team guy

I think he's going to end up being like kind of the new Iverson. Amazing individual player, great highlights, real fun, but not quite equipped for analytics... because he can't shoot threes. And so there will always be this inefficient tag to him. And he's just more of an individual than a team guy.

Westbrook's legacy continues to be debated in exactly these terms—volume stats vs. efficiency and team success.
Win
Feb 7, 2018
#21301
Charlie WeisCharlie Weis

75% of the Patriots' current offense is still the same foundation I installed

I'd say 75%, still the same. You know, they've obviously, every offensive coordinator takes their tangent and spins it and everything together. But I think the foundation for everything is pretty much the same.

The Erhardt-Perkins system the Patriots used was indeed the one Weis installed/perfected under Parcells, though it evolved significantly.
Void
Feb 7, 2018
#16879
Charlie WeisCharlie Weis

Curtis Martin and Brady Quinn were the best players I ever coached

Pros... I think Curtis Martin might have been the best player in the pros. [In college] might have been Brady Quinn. I mean, he played for me for two years and led the team to two BCS games. And he got hurt in his last game against LSU... He tears up his knee, he puts a brace on him and finishes the game.

Subjective ranking of his own coaching career.
Win
Feb 7, 2018
#21302
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I will eat horse shit if the Washington Capitals win the Stanley Cup

I actually stand with the guy [in Philly] who ate the poop... If the Washington Capitals win the Stanley Cup, I will eat horse shit.

The Capitals went on to win the Stanley Cup in June 2018. PFT Commenter famously made good on this bet and ate horse shit on video.

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