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Tom Herman Rub & Tugs, CFB W/ Tom Fornelli, And NFL With Robert Klemko

Monday, November 12, 201825 takes

NFL Week 10 Recap and fastest 2 minutes ( - 8;09). The underdogs were barking on Sunday, the Jets are a mess, Tom Brady is relatable, the Rams bounce back, and the Saints continue to be a wagon ( - ). Football Guy of the Week including Zach Smith going after Tom Herman on twitter and the invention of "ok. cool. hook em" ( - ). Who's back of the week ( - ). CBS CFB writer Tom Fornelli joins the show to talk about the College Football playoffs, who can beat Bama, and why Oklahoma's defense is laughably bad ( - ). Sports Illustrated NFL writer Robert Klemko joins the show to talk about Week 11, Dez Bryant, and the rookie QBs of 2018 ( - ). Segments include Jimmy Butler was traded lets talk about it, Stay Me70, Shoot your Shot Jared Goff, Stay Classy Redskins Social Media, and a wild Monday Reading about Northwestern Football being bad because they're good.

Tom Herman's Happy Ending, CFB Playoff Chaos, and Robert Klemko

NFL Week 10 was a weekend for the underdogs, and Big Cat and PFT Commenter are riding high on some massive upsets. The biggest shock of the day came in Nashville where Mike Vrabel proved that his former team might have a broken controller problem. While the Patriots looked human, the Saints continued to look like an absolute wagon, dropping a 50-burger on the Bengals. Meanwhile, the defending champion Eagles are officially on notice after a brutal showing against the Cowboys.

Win
Nov 12, 2018
#20131
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Eagles are playing like a pile of shit

They [the Eagles] are playing like a pile of shit. Offensively, they look boring. I don't know what it is that's so different from last year.

The 2018 Eagles struggled significantly compared to their Super Bowl season, finishing 9-7 and barely making the playoffs as a Wild Card.

PFT is ready to hand the keys to the kingdom over to Alex Smith and the Redskins after Philly's collapse.

Loss
Nov 12, 2018
#20132
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NFC East is the Redskins' division to lose

I think it's time to say this is the Redskins' division. I thought the Eagles would win tonight and it would be a race, but the Eagles having that showing, they have to now basically run the table.

The Redskins finished 7-9 and missed the playoffs after Alex Smith's season-ending injury in Week 11. The Cowboys won the NFC East.

In the NFC North, Big Cat is finally starting to believe in his beloved Bears after Mitch Trubisky scorched the Lions. The defense looks elite, but for Big Cat, there is one final hurdle before he books his playoff tickets.

Loss
Nov 12, 2018
#20134
Big CatBig Cat

The Bears can win a playoff game if they beat the Vikings on Sunday Night

The Sunday night football game against the Vikings is going to be the biggest test where it's like, okay, can they at home beat a really good team? And then I will say to myself, this team can win a playoff game.

The Bears did beat the Vikings that week, but they famously lost their home playoff game against the Eagles due to the Double Doink.

Football Guy of the Week and the "Hook 'Em" Heard 'Round the World

Football Guy of the Week took a sharp turn into the world of college football message board drama. Zach Smith, the former Ohio State assistant, decided to go scorched earth on Texas head coach Tom Herman via Twitter. The allegations involved Asian massage parlors and habitual infidelity, but the real highlight was Tom Herman’s stone-cold response: "ok. cool. hook em."

PFT noted that while the drama is high, it probably won't affect the Longhorns' ability to land players as long as they keep winning games.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Recruits will overlook a coach's personal scandals if the program is high-level enough

I'd say most kids probably would go play for that coach [who frequents massage parlors] if it was a high enough program. Hey, 17-year-old jock kid that is being recruited, your coach is so famous for being a good head coach that he's getting handjobs all the time... I bet you don't want to play for him.

This is a subjective sociological take, though historical evidence in college sports generally supports the idea that winning programs retain recruits despite coaching scandals.

College Football Playoff Picture with Tom Fornelli

CBS Sports’ Tom Fornelli joined the show to help sort through the mess that is the current College Football Playoff rankings. With the regular season winding down, the debate between Notre Dame and Michigan is heating up. Fornelli isn't buying the Irish as a lock, suggesting they are the most vulnerable team in the top four.

Loss
Nov 12, 2018
#20138
Tom FornelliTom Fornelli

Notre Dame is the most likely top-four team to miss the CFB Playoff

[Predict one of the four teams not making it] Notre Dame. Even over Michigan? Yeah. Because Michigan's got to play Ohio State. I think if you look at Notre Dame, I don't think any of us are going to be surprised if they lose to Syracuse next weekend.

Notre Dame finished the regular season undefeated and did make the College Football Playoff.

Big Cat also used the opportunity to vent his frustrations regarding the Oklahoma Sooners. Despite their high-octane offense, their lack of a defensive pulse is enough to make any purist sick.

Loss
Nov 12, 2018
#24811
Big CatBig Cat

Oklahoma should not make the College Football Playoff because their defense is terrible

Oklahoma stinks. And if they somehow sneak into the college football playoff, I will be absolutely furious because their defense is so bad... Tell me there's order in this world [and they won't make it].

Oklahoma did make the College Football Playoff in 2018, finishing the regular season at 12-1 and winning the Big 12.

NFL Insights with Robert Klemko

Sports Illustrated’s Robert Klemko hopped on to discuss the 2018 rookie quarterback class and some of the more bizarre locker room dynamics across the league. Klemko has spent significant time with the rookie class and has a clear front-runner for the best debut season so far.

Win
Nov 12, 2018
#20142
Robert KlemkoRobert Klemko

Baker Mayfield is having the best year of all the rookie quarterbacks

I'm going to give it to my guy, Baker Mayfield. I just feel like, given how bad that offensive line is, the way that he stood in there and taken some of these hits and made plays... the performances that he's put up with all the turmoil inside the organization have been kind of crazy.

Mayfield finished second in Offensive Rookie of the Year voting and broke the rookie passing TD record at the time.

Klemko also shared a legendary Dez Bryant story from the Cowboys locker room involving name-searching and spittle-flecked rants. The conversation shifted to the Steelers and the Le'Veon Bell saga, leading to a fascinating look at why offensive linemen might actually prefer life without a mobile superstar behind them.

Void
Nov 12, 2018
#24813
Robert KlemkoRobert Klemko

Offensive linemen secretly hated playing with Michael Vick because his scramble drills led to injuries

A story I've always wanted to write, guys that played with Michael Vick secretly hated it because he was running around so much that people ended up falling all around their legs because the plays were going on too long. And there were several careers that were cut short or ended... because they played too long with Michael Vick.

This is a historical perspective based on Klemko's reporting, making it a matter of journalistic opinion/finding.

Segments and Monday Reading

Jimmy Butler was finally traded to the 76ers, ending a saga that saw him essentially burn the Timberwolves' locker room to the ground for fun. Big Cat thinks the damage to the Wolves' leverage was irreparable.

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Big CatBig Cat

Jimmy Butler screwed over the Timberwolves by tanking his trade value

Jimmy Butler fucked over the Timberwolves. Make no mistake about it. He fucked them over. Doing what he did gave them zero leverage. I'm going to sit out when I want to sit out. I don't give a fuck. And the Timberwolves were like, okay, well, now we're screwed.

Subjective, but it's a widely held view that the Timberwolves received a suboptimal package because Butler made it clear he would not play for them.

We also checked in on Carmelo Anthony, whose brief stint in Houston is already over. Big Cat is genuinely worried that the future Hall of Famer is doing permanent damage to how he'll be remembered by the next generation of fans.

Void
Nov 12, 2018·Stay Mello
#20147
Big CatBig Cat

Carmelo Anthony's late-career decline is ruining his legacy

What's going to end up happening is he's going to keep hanging on and keep doing this, and it's going to ruin his legacy because he actually was an unbelievable basketball player... Syracuse Melo and Nuggets Melo and being an unbelievable scorer, it's all going to be ruined.

Subjective, though Anthony eventually had a respectable 'redemption' run with the Trail Blazers and Lakers, partially mending his reputation.

The show wrapped up with a Monday Reading from a New York Times opinion piece where a Northwestern alumna argued that she actually misses the team losing because it made her feel more intellectually superior. Big Cat was not having any of it.

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Big CatBig Cat

The writer of the 'I Miss Northwestern Losing' article is dangerous to society

Pat Fitzgerald actually is an awesome coach. We have friends on that team... But their alumni, when they're writing shit like this, you're dangerous to society. If you are struggling this much with watching sports, they're not for you.

Subjective reaction to a controversial piece of sports journalism.

If you find yourself rooting for your own team to lose so they don't "play as many games," you might just be a nerd who hates fun.

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More Takes

Win
Nov 12, 2018
#20133
Big CatBig Cat

Baker Mayfield is officially a franchise quarterback

Baker Mayfield saying, 'I woke up this morning feeling dangerous.' That's a franchise quarterback.

While Mayfield had a rocky tenure in Cleveland, he eventually led them to a playoff win and proved to be a legitimate NFL starter, later revitalizing his career in Tampa.
Win
Nov 12, 2018
#20135
Big CatBig Cat

Matt Patricia has officially lost the Lions' locker room

Remember the start of the season when we said Matt Patricia lost the locker room and everyone was like, 'No, you were wrong.' I think he actually has. And it's a disaster.

Patricia's tenure was famously disastrous and he was eventually fired mid-season in 2020 after numerous reports of players disliking his style.
Win
Nov 12, 2018
#24808
Big CatBig Cat

The Jets need to fire Todd Bowles

Todd Bowles has got to get fired. He does. He does. No, don't change the subject here. Todd Bowles has got to get fired. I remain faithful [that they should].

Todd Bowles was fired by the Jets on December 30, 2018, following the conclusion of the regular season.
Win
Nov 12, 2018·Who's Back
#20136
HankHank

Jimmer Fredette will get another shot in the NBA

The Mormon Megalodon dropped 75 in China... He'll get another shot. I don't know about that. We'll see.

Fredette did get one more brief stint with the Phoenix Suns in 2019, though he did not stick in the league.
Void
Nov 12, 2018·Who's Back
#20137
Big CatBig Cat

Louisville is no longer fun without Pitino and Petrino

I wish they didn't fire Pitino and Petrino, because now I feel like Louisville's just not going to be as fun anymore. They went from the horniest campus in America to now just a really boring campus.

This is subjective but reflects the general sentiment that Louisville athletics lost its 'villain' appeal following these departures.
Void
Nov 12, 2018
#20139
Tom FornelliTom Fornelli

Michigan is currently a better team than Notre Dame

I honestly think Michigan, even though it lost to Notre Dame to start the year, is better than Notre Dame. At least it's playing better... I think Michigan just overall, special teams, defense, and offense has been a better team than Notre Dame.

Subjective, but Notre Dame won the head-to-head and made the playoff while Michigan lost to Ohio State and didn't.
Loss
Nov 12, 2018
#24810
Tom FornelliTom Fornelli

Alabama is invincible this year unless Tua Tagovailoa gets seriously injured

I feel like really the only way I see Alabama losing a game this year is if Tua gets hurt seriously and has to miss time. Unless Tua gets hurt and Jalen [Hurts] is hurt, I think Alabama's pretty invincible.

Alabama lost to Clemson in the National Championship game. While Tua Tagovailoa was dealing with minor injuries throughout the season, he played in the loss.
Win
Nov 12, 2018
#20140
Tom FornelliTom Fornelli

Ben Mason is the clear number one fullback in college football

Mason's my clear number one. No, Mason, to me, is clearly the best fullback in college right now. He just destroys dudes.

Mason was widely considered one of the best fullbacks of his era and was drafted into the NFL as one.
Void
Nov 12, 2018
#20141
Tom FornelliTom Fornelli

Dino Babers would be the ideal hire for USC

If I'm the Trojans, I'd go after [Dino] Babers, honestly. Because I think that he runs an exciting offense. You know, in L.A., you have to sell excitement. I think Babers is a good coach.

USC kept Clay Helton for several more seasons and eventually hired Lincoln Riley. Babers stayed at Syracuse and his stock eventually cooled.
Win
Nov 12, 2018
#20143
Robert KlemkoRobert Klemko

Josh Rosen has been the most disappointing rookie quarterback

The one that really disappoints, I think, it's probably Josh Rosen. Any one of these guys, given no-skill position players around them, some uninspired play calling could look as bad as Josh Rosen looks right now.

Rosen was traded after one year and never developed into a successful NFL starter, confirming the 'disappointing' label.
Void
Nov 12, 2018
#24812
Robert KlemkoRobert Klemko

The only way to slow down Drew Brees and the Saints is with interior defensive pressure

Interior pressure. Drew Brees trying to find passing lanes with a center and a guard's ass in his face. That's how teams have beaten them in the past.

This is a widely accepted scouting report on Brees throughout his career, though inherently subjective in its execution.
Win
Nov 12, 2018
#20144
Robert KlemkoRobert Klemko

John Harbaugh will be the Ravens' coach for another year

I think they finish strong, and I think Harbaugh is going to be the coach there for another year... I would put money on Harbaugh being there for a while.

Harbaugh remained the coach of the Ravens and is still there years later.
Loss
Nov 12, 2018
#24814
Big CatBig Cat

Urban Meyer will be the next head coach of the Green Bay Packers

Urban Meyer's going to go to Green Bay. Where does Harbaugh go? Harbaugh's staying. Urban Meyer goes to Green Bay. Mike McCarthy goes to the Browns. Bob Stoops coaches Ohio State.

PredictionFootballFireSarcastic
The Packers hired Matt LaFleur as their head coach on January 8, 2019.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The 76ers signing Carmelo Anthony would signify the end of The Process

If you bring Carmelo Anthony on your team, the process is over... No, you're starting to undo the process. You're stretching the process too thin. You're taking the tent down.

The Sixers did not sign Anthony, and the 'Process' era is generally considered to have ended around this time with the trade for stars like Butler.

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