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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Jerry West will remain the NBA logo forever because he passed away before it could be changed

Now we're not talking about changing the logo anymore after [Jerry West] died. He's gonna be the logo for probably forever. But at the time when he was alive, they were like, we should maybe change it to Michael Jordan. Now you can't change it.

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Big CatBig Cat

The ultimate drunk question to ask the boys is if you should 'call your guy'

Be safe out there kids, but should I call my guy? ... I think we all know what that means. Should I call my guy? That's a good pick.

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Big CatBig Cat

The staple of being drunk with the boys is making aggressive plans for the next day that you won't keep

Making super aggressive plans for the next day that you're not gonna do [is a staple of being drunk with the boys]... like let's run it back tomorrow. Let's get brunch tomorrow. You know that nobody's gonna wake up before 10:00 AM.

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MaxMax

Jalen Hurts is definitely a good NFL quarterback

Everyone knows that Jalen Hurts is good quarterback. Is he? Yeah. Jalen Hurts is the guy.

Subjective evaluation of talent, though supported by Hurts' record.
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Big CatBig Cat

Everyone has one friend who thinks every woman they interact with is into them

Everyone has that one friend that thinks every chick is into him. You're like, dude, that's just not possible.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

If the Oilers win Game 7, it will be the most iconic moment in Stanley Cup Finals history

This would be, I think, the most iconic moment in Stanley Cup finals history. If they're able to pull [off the comeback].

Subjective opinion on historical ranking, but grounded in the rarity of a 3-0 comeback.
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Big CatBig Cat

The Las Vegas Sphere is a mind-blowing experience that exceeds all high expectations

Anyone who is thinking about going to the Sphere, do it. It was mind-blowing. The expectations were high and they blew them out of the water. I did have that thought of like, will I ever be able to go back to real life because it was that cool.

This is a subjective opinion on an entertainment experience.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The USMNT's Copa America match against Uruguay will be their first real test

Uruguay is gonna be a good game. They're very good. We beat the dastardly Bolivians... Panama, they stink. And then Uruguay, they're always good in these tournaments.

The US lost to Uruguay 1-0 and was eliminated in the group stage, confirming Uruguay was indeed a tough opponent.
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Big CatBig Cat

Clutch Sports trying to nitpick Michael Jordan's 1988 stats is a desperate admission of defeat in the GOAT debate

I don't understand how you can look at this and not be like, this is the pettiest saddest thing possible. If you have to try to tear down MJ to elevate LeBron, you've already lost in my opinion. If you have to go back in time and trying to nitpick stats, you're essentially admitting that you've lost.

The take is an interpretation of media strategy and the rules of sports debate.
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Ryan WhitneyRyan Whitney

Connor McDavid is the greatest athlete in the world right now

Connor McDavid and him being the greatest athlete in the world right now, better at his sport than any other person is at their sport.

Subjective ranking of athletic dominance compared to other sports.
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Ryan WhitneyRyan Whitney

The Oilers' penalty kill is currently unstoppable and makes opponents look incompetent

Their PK has been outstanding since... it's clipping like 94%. It's just unstoppable what they've done. Every other team's power play becomes really bad against the Oilers. For Florida, there's so much skill there, but they're standing still and Edmonton pressures. They're getting breakaways shorthanded, they're scoring shorthanded goals.

The Oilers' PK was historically good during the 2024 playoffs, though they did eventually lose Game 7.
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Big CatBig Cat

The JJ Redick hiring is huge for the podcast community because it proves podcasters can do anything.

JJ Redick, coach of the Lakers... my first thought was, it's huge for the podcast community. It is. Us podcasters can do anything.

Whether Redick's hiring actually empowers all podcasters is a subjective matter of industry perception.
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Big CatBig Cat

We are competing against the 'juice ball era' of podcasting where every show uses gimmicks and stunts to get numbers.

PFT and I want it on the record that we've always done this podcast Natural. We've never, we've never dated Taylor Swift. Nope. We've never became the, the Lakers head coach. It's the juice ball era. It is. It's crazy. Everyone's got all these tricks and bits trying to get all their numbers up. We just show up and we run the ball every day.

This is a subjective critique of the current podcasting landscape and show philosophies.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Detroit Pistons job is the American Dream because you get paid $60 million not to work

I think that this makes the job opening in Detroit way more attractive. Yeah. Because you can go there for a year, get fired and still get paid for the remaining four or five years that you have on your contract... getting paid money not to work is the American dream. And so that's ultimately the best thing that you wanna be looking for when you're a head coach.

Monty Williams was fired by the Pistons while still being owed roughly $65 million on his contract.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Detroit Pistons should be run by a committee of fans via Twitter polls or a Twitch stream.

They should just let like have a, a Twitter account or a Twitch stream with polls on it. They should just have that run the Detroit Pistons and make all the personnel decisions, all the rotation adjustments. Just have it be done by Committee of Pistons fans.

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The Pistons have not (yet) implemented a Twitch-based management system.
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HankHank

It's going to be tough to beat the 'Make-A-Wish' allegations now that I've been invited on a Celtics championship duck boat.

I mean, the, the, it's gonna be tough to beat the Make-A-Wish allegations. [Big Cat: Yeah, oh yeah.]

The joke remains a staple of the show's lore.
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Big CatBig Cat

Expanding the NCAA Tournament to 72 or 76 teams is going to suck

The NCAA's trying to move the tournament to an expanded field. This is gonna suck. Yeah. So 72 to 76 team tournament plans is what they're trying to do... 64 teams is perfect. They just don't need to add more bubble teams. You never remember 'em.

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Derrick WhiteDerrick White

The 2024 Celtics are one of the all-time great NBA teams

I mean you, you think about it, you're like, I mean we're one of the all time teams. I'm obviously, I'm biased and so I'm gonna say it, but just you, you think about it like you are just enjoying it... I do think like we are one of those teams and it's the best run.

Statistically, the 2023-24 Celtics had one of the highest net ratings in NBA history, making this a very defensible claim.
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Derrick WhiteDerrick White

The Celtics should send Blake Griffin a championship ring.

I'm sure we could send [Blake Griffin] one. [PFT Commenter: I think Blake deserves a lifetime achievement ring.] Yeah. I'm sure we could send him one.

While Griffin didn't receive an official ring as a roster member, the sentiment of the take is about whether he 'deserves' one.
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Adam ThielenAdam Thielen

The Panthers' disastrous 2-15 season in 2023 was the best thing that ever happened to me.

I believe not only was it probably the best thing that ever happened to me, just learning how to deal with adversity, learning how to be a leader through major storms... but I think for, Bryce [Young], a lot of the young guys, maybe some of the coaches that we still have around... it's probably the best thing that ever happened to us.

Whether the 2023 failure leads to future success is subjective and depends on how the Panthers develop in the coming years.
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Adam ThielenAdam Thielen

Kirk Cousins is the most process-driven person I've ever been around

That guy is the most process driven person I've ever been around in my life. It is unbelievable. He does not leave any stone unturned. He does ne he, I mean, he will never not be prepared for a game... he's putting every ounce of time, effort, money into having the most success as a team.

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Adam ThielenAdam Thielen

Kirk Cousins' infamous foil-wrapped grilled steak looked terrible.

I saw the pictures. I feel like this was like maybe four or five years ago when he posted on, and I'm, I texted him immediately. I'm like, what, what is that? ... but it looked terrible.

The steak is widely considered a culinary crime by anyone who has seen the photo.
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Adam ThielenAdam Thielen

The trend of quarterbacks buying massive gifts for their offensive linemen is overblown and awkward.

I just feel like that that whole bit has gotten like way overblown and now has made it like super awkward for the quarterbacks because now I feel like the o linemen are like expecting like this like grand prize... no I've, I have not bought a quarterback a gift. Maybe I should, but, but yeah, it's, it's kind of a weird awkward thing.

This is a subjective take on NFL locker room culture.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

There should be a 'dating app' style platform for young men to find old guys who know how to fix cars.

I just had an idea for like a dating app, but it's young dudes that want to meet up with old guys. Mm. Who know about cars. I feel like an old guy wants to share his car knowledge.

While not a literal app yet, the sentiment regarding generational knowledge gaps is widely discussed.
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HankHank

Jalen Brown is a top 5 player in the NBA

[Jalen Brown] is in that top five now. He's the best player on the team.

While Brown won Finals MVP and All-NBA Second Team honors in 2023, ranking him in the top 5 (above Jokic, Giannis, Luka, SGA, etc.) is highly debatable and subjective.
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HankHank

Brad Stevens is the greatest GM of all time

Brad Stevens is, you know, the greatest GM of all time. I think he's gotta be. He's in all-time in this conversation.

Brad Stevens has one title as a GM. While his moves for Holiday and White were brilliant, 'greatest of all time' is a huge historical reach.
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Big CatBig Cat

Jalen Brown single-handedly ended the NBA Finals in Game 3

If you look at this series, which wasn't really competitive... [Jalen Brown's] second half in that game [Game 3] basically ended the series. Like he single-handedly ended the series there.

The Celtics won Game 3 to go up 3-0, a deficit no team has ever overcome. Jalen Brown had 30 points, including 15 in the third quarter, which effectively sealed the series.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

LSU should find a way to vacate Nick Saban's wins to be real haters

What I think LSU should do, find something that happened when Nick Saban was there, because Nick Saban is up for eligibility next year. And if they took away his wins at LSU... If you want to be a real hater, you could do that to a coach that left you and then came and coached for your rival.

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LSU has not vacated Saban's wins and Saban's win percentage is high enough that it wouldn't matter anyway.
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Big CatBig Cat

The 60% winning percentage rule for the College Football Hall of Fame is bullshit and Mike Leach should be in

The rule that you have to have 60% to make the college football Hall of fame is bullshit and should be changed. Because I did see this last week. Mike Leach is like 0.03% away. They need to let Mike Leach in the Hall of Fame. Because who's to say that you weren't a giant contributor to the game if you didn't happen to have 60%?

This is a matter of administrative policy and opinion on 'greatness' vs 'winning percentage.'
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Jerry O'ConnellJerry O'Connell

Hank's backswing sucks

Bing bong your backswing sucks. White bow.

Hank's golf swing is a frequent target of mockery on the show; its quality is subjective but widely panned by the crew.
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Big CatBig Cat

MLB fucked up the playoffs with the wild card expansion because bad teams stay alive too long

The Major League Baseball completely fucked up the playoffs with this wild card. It's so stupid because now everyone's alive... I don't like that they did this in the NBA either. It's my biggest gripe about the play-in that you let owners get off on basically saying, 'well, we're putting together a playoff team' when no, if you're a play-in team, you're not... it's just bullshit.

The impact of playoff expansion on 'quality' is a subjective matter of sports philosophy.
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Joe MazzullaJoe Mazzulla

Tearing my meniscus was one of the best things that happened to me this season

I'll tell you what, it almost, it was one of the best things that happened to me for the rest of the season. 'Cause it put me in like this fight or flight mentality to where like I could just not relax... I've been thinking about maybe getting hurt every All-Star break.

This is a personal reflection on his coaching experience.
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Joe MazzullaJoe Mazzulla

I would rather get blown out than lose a close game

I'd rather get my ass kicked than lose a close one. You lose a close one, guys play 40, 42 minutes, they're tired, you know, you gotta travel back. You get blown out, take the guys out, they play 25 minutes, get the boys some rest, and you know, you kind of regroup the next day.

This is a coaching philosophy that can't be objectively proven right or wrong, but it explains his lack of panic after the Game 4 blowout loss.
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Joe MazzullaJoe Mazzulla

The Joker is more dangerous than Batman because he is willing to do whatever it takes

The issue with Batman is like he's not willing to do whatever it takes. Like he has a chance to throw [Joker] off the cliff at the end of the second one and he doesn't do it. He saves his life. And so like the scary thing about Batman is like is he willing to go the extra mile to do what's necessary for the greater good? And that's the danger part of Joker is like he's willing to go the extra mile to get his point across.

This is an interpretation of movie characters used as a coaching metaphor.
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Joe MazzullaJoe Mazzulla

Hank has until the end of the Celtics parade on Friday to shave his head

24 hours... [actually] I think let's give him a little leeway here. Let's say until the parade is over. Friday afternoon... Because then now you're people like you, Hank, will be the reason why we struggle next year because we're trying to get ready for the next season. Shaving your head is the beginning of us turning the page.

The Celtics parade was Friday, June 21, 2024. Hank eventually shaved his head, fulfilling the bet.
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Big CatBig Cat

Every athlete should get one pass per year to skip the media after a loss

I think that every athlete should get one a year where they can just say, I'm I'm not doing this and, and this you, you and if you, if you don't use it, you lose it. So you don't get carryover, but you get one a year where you can just be like, Nope, no moss, I can't do it. Because I would, if I were Rory and I had to sit there and have Bryson come up to me and be like, that was an incredible fight you put up, you know what? Oh, you played so great. I wish two of us could have won this. And then go sit and have some reporter say, Rory, talk me through what happened with that putt that you missed. I kill myself.

This is a subjective proposal for a rule change in sports media protocols.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Rory McIlroy's tire spinning exit gave reporters a better story than a boring press conference would have

The media gets so mad after Claire. And then they have all their articles about how this person didn't give them anything to write about. Right. And he actually, Rory gave everybody so much more stuff to write about. Right. So much more stuff to talk about by not answering questions than he did if he had stuck around and just given like deadpan answers of credit to Bryce. And he played really, really well. Of course I'm disappointed. Very upset that I missed those puts, you know? Yeah. It's one of those things, golf's a hard game. That's what Rory would've said.

This is a subjective analysis of media dynamics.
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Big CatBig Cat

A Jimmy Carter 'not awake' report is effectively a death notice

Jimmy Carter, who it was reported the other day that Jimmy Carter is no longer awake every day... isn't that just dead? The guy just let him die. He's been in hospice for like a year and a half... grandson, don't wake him up next time he is not awake for a day. Don't wake him up the next day. Just let him sleep forever.

Carter remained in hospice through his 100th birthday in October 2024, outlasting Big Cat's 'effectively dead' sentiment.
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Big CatBig Cat

Charles Barkley's retirement announcement is just a leverage play

I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. He's too good. That's just what you say at the end of the year. He's just doing, he's he's said a million different things. He's like, well maybe I'll just hire everyone and we'll have a new, we'll bring it over here. Maybe I'll retire. Maybe w he's just, I love Charles Barkley. I love, love, love Charles Barkley. I don't buy it. Charles Barkley could talk about anything on TV and I would watch. Yeah. It doesn't matter what it could be.

Barkley later clarified in August 2024 that he would remain with TNT Sports for the remainder of his contract, effectively 'un-retiring' shortly after the initial announcement.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Rory McIlroy just made the 'gimme' range much longer for every amateur golfer

I'm mad at Rory though. I think that all amateur golfers, all people that golf for fun should be really angry with Rory today because he just made the length of a gimme putt so much longer because now if it's inside Rory range, you're gonna have to put that out.

This is a subjective opinion on the social dynamics of golf, though certainly Rory's collapse became the go-to reference for missing 'gimmes' in 2024.
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Smylie KaufmanSmylie Kaufman

Bryson DeChambeau's bunker shot on 18 was a one-in-a-million execution

I was probably 15 yards away from him... a 55 yard bunker shot is one of the more difficult shots in the game. And Bryson probably hit a gap wedge... full swing. The fact that he went in there full swing and bringing in literally watching it over the clubhouse and having the nerve to pull the shot off and get it inside at five feet was unbelievable.

Expert analysis of a specific sporting moment.
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

The Jets made a bigger story out of Aaron Rodgers' absence than it needed to be

Don don't think there's a problem. And I know that memes had some issue with something that I said last week because I saw the tweet and I had to send it to you Big Cat to get an interpretation like most people of my generation do. Hey son, what is this all about? I didn't get it. Here's the issue with Aaron Rogers and I think this is more about the Jets than Aaron Rogers. They fucked this up so bad last week. All they had to do was excuse his absence. That's all they had to do.

This is an opinion on public relations management by the Jets organization.
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

Fans should root for the NFL to lose the Sunday Ticket lawsuit

The NFL has always just kind of pressed forward and made as much money as they could from it. But this case is about what the NFL allegedly has done to protect the deals with CBS and Fox. And without getting too deep into the weeds, it's as simple as this. They required allegedly, but I think the evidence has proved this. They've required DirecTV to charge a certain price so people don't get it and they just watch whatever CBS or Fox has to offer. ... we should be rooting for the NFL to lose this because it will make it easier for all the fans to have cheaper choices and broader selections to watch outta market games on Sunday.

A jury initially awarded plaintiffs $4.7 billion (tripled to $14 billion), but the judge later overturned the verdict in August 2024, ruling in favor of the NFL. Florio's prediction of a fan victory was overturned.
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

Tua Tagovailoa wouldn't get a massive contract on the open market

Tua I think goes into a different category as well. ... I don't think the Dolphins want to pay something that starts with a five. And you have to wonder, will they just say Tua go ahead because ask yourself that question. If Tua is available to anyone who wants him, what are they gonna pay? Yeah. What's it gonna get on the open market? And I feel like one of these days one of these teams is gonna draw that line in the saying.

The Dolphins did not 'dare' him; they signed Tua to a 4-year, $212.4 million extension in July 2024, with an average annual value of $53.1 million (starting with a five), contradicting Florio's skepticism.
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MaxMax

Jayson Tatum's poor shooting in the Finals needs to be a bigger story

Tatum won 15 five and three on four of 10 shooting. He is now shooting 36% from the field and 29% from three. This series. I just like thought that we should have talked. We should talk about that.

Tatum finished the series shooting 38.8% from the field and 26.3% from three. While the Celtics won, Max's point about his poor shooting stats was statistically accurate.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Jaylen Brown should be the NBA Finals MVP

I do agree with Hank that [Jaylen] Brown—it should be offense though, but—[Jaylen] Brown was incredible. Like phenomenal. The Celtics team... [Jaylen] Brown's gonna hit a big jumper to ice the Mavs out at home.

Jaylen Brown did indeed win the NBA Finals MVP.
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Big CatBig Cat

The Celtics are a perfect team with no holes

More than just Luca's defense, it's just more of a testament to the Celtics having no holes. They don't have a guy who can—you can sag off of. They don't have a guy that you can basically say we're gonna ignore them. They don't have a guy that you can put your worst defender on and say he's gonna be okay.

The Celtics finished with one of the best net ratings in NBA history and won the title, supporting this claim.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Mid Pines is way better than Pinehurst No. 2

I think Mid Pines is way better... Way better test. Yep. I love the test talk. Whenever they say it's a great test... None of us shot five under at Mid Pines.

Course rankings are subjective, though Pinehurst No. 2 is significantly more prestigious in professional golf circles.
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HankHank

I would take Trevor Lawrence over Drake Maye

[Big Cat]: Hank, would you take Drake Maye or Trevor Lawrence? [Hank]: Trevor Lawrence.

Subjective comparison between a veteran and a rookie.
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Big CatBig Cat

Tom Brady is a better football player than he is a person

Tom Brady is one of those people who you can absolutely say he's a better football player than he is person. I very much disagree with that [Hank's] statement.

Subjective value judgment.

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