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4X NBA Champ John Salley, Heat Win Game 1 + Bring Your LunchPail Questions With Jersey Jerry

Wednesday, May 18, 202217 takes

The tension has already begun in the PMT studios as the Heat take down the Celtics in Game 1 after an unreal 3rd quarter.(-) Patrick Beverley wins hater of the year award and we give a postmortem to the Phoenix Suns after Sunday night. (-) Hot Seat/Cool Throne including an absolutely shocking Billy Football moment. (-) 4X NBA Champ John Salley joins the show to talk basketball, being a vegan, best of each decade and tons more. (-) We finish with Bring your Lunchpail questions with Jersey Jerry as well as a state of the union on his Pittsburgh Steelers. (-)

John Salley on NBA Greats, Veganism, and Billy's Jack Nicklaus Disaster

The tension in the PMT studio is already at a boiling point. The Heat took down the Celtics in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals behind a monster third quarter from Jimmy Butler, leaving Hank in a state of deep denial while Jake tries to offer fake sportsmanship. Hank is clinging to the fact that Boston actually looked like the better team for 75% of the night.

Loss
May 18, 2022
#14720
HankHank

The Celtics looked great despite losing Game 1 because they won three out of four quarters

They won three out of four quarters and lost by 11... 39 to 14 [in the third quarter]. It was a winnable game. They won three out of four quarters. They looked great in the second half.

The Celtics did win three quarters, but losing the 3rd quarter 39-14 resulted in an 11-point loss. Scoreboard is the only stat that matters.

Beyond the actual basketball, Big Cat is fed up with the administrative side of the postseason. With Al Horford sidelined due to health and safety protocols, the guys are calling for an end to the era of pandemic-related absences in sports.

Void
May 18, 2022
#14721
Big CatBig Cat

It is bullshit that NBA players are still missing playoff games for COVID in 2022

I think it's bullshit that anyone should be out for COVID. It's like, it should be like the NFL playoffs where COVID just didn't exist. If you think that like COVID in the spring of 2022 should be deciding playoffs series, you're crazy. Like that's bullshit.

This is a subjective opinion about league policy.

## Hater of the Year and the NFL Lottery The Phoenix Suns' historic collapse is still being processed, mostly through the lens of Patrick Beverley’s incredible hater tour on ESPN. PFT is watching the Fallout from Chris Paul’s injury news with a skeptical eye, noting that CP3 seems to have a "broken hand" or a "quad strain" the moment things go south.

Loss
May 18, 2022
#14722
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Chris Paul is the best player who kind of stinks

[Chris Paul] is the best player who kind of stinks. Chris Paul, he should be the face of the hall of very good. He should be like first inductee. He should be the president of the hall of very good.

Chris Paul is a consensus Top 75 player and 1st ballot Hall of Famer, making 'Hall of Very Good' objectively incorrect, though PFT is using hyperbole to highlight playoff failures.

While discussing the NBA Draft Lottery, PFT predicted that Roger Goodell will eventually find a way to monetize the NFL's offseason even further. Why just have a draft when you can have a six-hour lottery special presented by military contractors?

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May 18, 2022
#23426
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NFL will eventually implement a draft lottery to get an extra night of massive TV ratings

That's one reason why I think that the NFL will definitely implement this at some point in the future, because you get an entire new night of ratings out of this extravagant that Roger Goodell will figure out a way to make the NFL draft lottery, like six hours long.

As of late 2024, the NFL has not implemented a draft lottery.

## Hot Seat/Cool Throne In one of the most electric Hot Seat/Cool Throne segments in show history, Billy Football managed to offend the entire sport of golf. While trying to praise a legend for turning down Saudi money, Billy revealed that he has apparently never heard a human being say the name Jack Nicklaus out loud. Billy insisted the name is pronounced like "Santa Claus."

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May 18, 2022
#20619
Billy FootballBilly Football

Jack Nic-KLAUS rejected a hundred million dollars from the Saudi golf league

My cool throne is Jack Nic-KLAUS, who rejected a hundred million dollars to not go to the Saudi golf league... Wait — Jack Nic-KLAUS? Jack Nicklaus. He said it like— It took me two seconds to realize that's who he was talking about. Oh God, what planet did you— Billy rejected a hundred million dollars... Good for Jack Nic-KLAUS. It's fucking spelled— Spell name. Nicklaus. Wow. I've only read his name.

It's Jack Nicklaus (NICK-luss), the greatest golfer of all time. Not Jack Nicholas, the greatest actor of all time. Billy's defense — "it's spelled that way" — is factually incorrect on both counts.
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Billy FootballBilly Football

Jack Nicklaus' name is pronounced Jack 'Nick-Klaus' because of his German ancestry

Jack Nicklaus [pronounced Nick-Klaus like Santa Claus]... He rejected a hundred million dollars to not go to the Saudi golf league... I've only read his name. I only know... because I always watch golf on mute... Nikolaos. Changed it to make it [more American].

It is universally pronounced 'Nick-luss'. Billy's 'Nick-Klaus' pronunciation is fundamentally incorrect.

Big Cat used his Hot Seat to take another victory lap on the retirement of Coach K. After reports surfaced that the Duke legend made $14 million in his final season, Big Cat isn't letting him get away with the "aw shucks, I'm just here for the kids" narrative.

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Big CatBig Cat

Coach K's $14 million salary proves he was never 'just doing it for the kids'

Coach K... it was revealed that he made $14 million last year... It proves yet again, what coach K said was true when he was, you know, flirting with the NBA. And he said, the allure of coaching in college has no price... He shouldn't also pretend that he's like getting paid nothing. And he just is there for the kids. I have no problem with him making 14 million. I have a problem with him being like, I'm just here for the kids. I do this shit for free.

Coach K's salary was indeed reported around $12.5M to $14M in his final seasons. The 'doing it for the kids' part is a subjective characterization of his public persona.

## John Salley in Studio Four-time NBA Champ John Salley joined the show for a wide-ranging interview that covered everything from the Bad Boy Pistons to the evolution of the media. Salley didn't hold back on his credentials, claiming he was the original pioneer of the medium we're all currently consuming.

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May 18, 2022
#14726
John SalleyJohn Salley

I invented the sports podcast in 2011

I invented a sports podcast with John Wood, spider and a henchman in 2011. Did I ever know that it was going to turn into everybody having a podcast? And I left mine go... I feel like little Richard, I invented [the podcast].

The first podcasts appeared in 2004. Bill Simmons' 'BS Report' (2007) and others predated Salley's 2011 show in the sports space.

Salley's basketball takes were even bolder. He challenged the very concept of a "Greatest of All Time," arguing that dominance is strictly a decade-by-decade measurement. While most people have MJ as their undisputed #1, Salley has a different teammate at the top of his list.

Void
May 18, 2022
#14728
John SalleyJohn Salley

Isiah Thomas is the greatest player I ever played with, even over Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Shaq

The greatest player I've ever played with is Isiah Thomas. And I have played with Michael. I have played with Kobe and Shaq, but the greatest player was Isiah Thomas. He's six foot and he did everything everybody else was doing.

Subjective preference for a teammate.
Void
May 18, 2022
#14727
John SalleyJohn Salley

Michael Jordan is not the greatest of all time because you can only be the greatest of a decade

Michael Jordan is not the greatest of all time. It's the same reason Michael says he's not the greatest of all time because he didn't get to play against the other greats of all time. You can be the greatest of that decade. So in the nineties... Michael Jordan was the best period. But then before that it was magic and bird. And before that it was Dr. J.

This is a philosophical take on sports rankings that cannot be objectively proven or disproven.

When the conversation turned to modern shooting, Salley refused to give Steph Curry the crown, leading Big Cat to dig into the stats to find a loophole. The interview wrapped up with a massive debate over veganism and biology, ending with a bet that could force Billy Football to give up meat if Salley's Finals prediction comes true.

Loss
May 18, 2022
#14731
John SalleyJohn Salley

Jayson Tatum will be the 2022 NBA Finals MVP

How about if you can accurately predict who the NBA finals MVP will be right now? [Salley]: Tatum. Yep. [PFT]: Oh, then Billy has to go vegan for a month.

The Celtics lost the 2022 Finals to the Warriors. Stephen Curry was the Finals MVP.

## State of the Steelers with Jersey Jerry Jersey Jerry returned for another edition of "Bring Your Lunchpail" to talk about his beloved Pittsburgh Steelers. Jerry is fully out on Mitch Trubisky and fully in on Kenny Pickett, mostly because of the social media etiquette of their respective significant others.

Push
May 18, 2022
#14732
Jersey JerryJersey Jerry

Kenny Pickett is superior to Mitch Trubisky because Kenny followed my fiancee on Instagram

Mitch gets picked up by the Steelers show Respect immediately. DM show the wife respect. I ain't get an answer. Now, you know Kenny Pickett followed me. Kenny Pickett's a fan of mine... after dinner, you know what I got? I got a follow from Kenny's fiancee. Oh wow. Follow. Not doing that holds more weight in my book than a message. So where I stand right now... Kenny ain't coming here to take part Kenny come in here to take over man.

Pickett did eventually take the job from Trubisky, but his performance as a starter was mediocre before being traded to the Eagles in 2024.

Jerry isn't just expecting a decent rookie year; he's already planning the parade routes in Pittsburgh. According to Jerry, the Pickett era is going to be even more decorated than the Big Ben era.

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May 18, 2022
#14733
Jersey JerryJersey Jerry

Kenny Pickett will win multiple Super Bowls

I ain't seen Superbowl. I'm seeing super bowls [for Kenny Pickett].

Pickett was traded away from the Steelers after two seasons with zero playoff wins.

If the Celtics don't figure out the Heat's zone, we might be looking at a very long, very vegan summer for Billy Football.

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More Takes

Win
May 18, 2022
#14723
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Skip Bayless is the biggest Luka Doncic hater on the planet

My new favorite takeout there is how skip Bayless is now the biggest Luka hater on the planet, on the fucking planet. He's kind of, he's doing that exact same thing where he just like, he cherry picks the perfect stats to talk about Luka. He's like, he will not forget the games that the Mavericks lost in this series.

Skip Bayless is famously critical of Luka, often calling him 'Puka' or focusing on his conditioning and turnovers.
Open
May 18, 2022
#23427
John SalleyJohn Salley

Giannis Antetokounmpo will be the greatest player of the 2020-2030 decade

It might be Giannis. Yeah, that was my [pick for the next 10 years].

Giannis has remained a top-tier player, though others like Jokic and Luka are in the conversation.
Loss
May 18, 2022
#14729
John SalleyJohn Salley

Kyle Korver is a better 3-point shooter than Steph Curry

I actually am looking at the list right now [Big Cat speaking]... Kyle Korver does have a higher percentage than Steph. [Salley]: You guys did cheat in college. I can tell because you only looking at the cliff notes. [Salley earlier arguing Dell Curry, Reggie Miller, Dale Ellis were better than Steph].

While Korver has a slightly higher career 3P% (42.9% vs Curry's ~42.6% at the time), Curry has more than double the makes and is universally regarded as the superior shooter.
Loss
May 18, 2022
#14730
John SalleyJohn Salley

Caucasians have only been on the planet for 6,000 years and were originally cave dwellers

Black people have been on the planet for 16,000 years. They say the Caucasian has only been on the planet for 6,000 years... light hair, light color, skin, light eyes, obviously a cave dweller. And it's because you had to come from you couldn't deal with the sun, your nose was elongated because it was cold.

Modern humans (Homo sapiens) appeared roughly 300,000 years ago. Light skin and European features evolved far earlier than 6,000 years ago.

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