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Carson Palmer In Studio, NFL Draft, Celtics/Sixers Is A Go + Giannis And The Bucks Bounced

Friday, April 28, 202327 takes

The NFL Draft is here and we break down the entire first round plus Will Levis falling (we have a spinzone for our friend). Eagles/Bears trade and the Texans got aggressive (-). Celtics/Sixers is officially on and it will be a civil war in the PMT studio for the next 2 weeks (-). The Bucks lose to the Heat and Giannis starts a failure debate (-). Other NBA and NHL Playoffs (-). Carson Palmer joins us in studio to talk draft night, his career, who he likes from this QB class and more (-). We finish with fyre fest of the week and the lottery ball (-).

Carson Palmer on Draft Night, NFL QB Prospects, and the Giannis Failure Debate

The NFL Draft has officially taken over our lives, and the first round delivered enough chaos to keep us fueled for months. Big Cat and PFT opened the show reminiscing about the old days when the draft was a Saturday marathon for freaks and weirdos, but the modern spectacle has its own charms. Between the Texans' massive power move and the pure awkwardness of the green room cameras, the energy was high, even if the vibes for some prospects were at an all-time low.

Draft Winners, Losers, and Spin Zones

The biggest story of the night wasn't who went first, but who didn't go at all. Will Levis—friend of the program and certified grit guy—was left hanging in the green room. While the internet was busy piling on, Big Cat was quick to find the silver lining for the former Kentucky signal-caller.

Void
Apr 28, 2023·NFL Draft
#23029
Big CatBig Cat

Will Levis cannot be considered a bust because he was not selected in the top 10 of the NFL Draft.

I actually think it's in a weird way, you can't be a bust if you go, if you don't go in the top 10. So now people won't judge [Will Levis] the same. Now he has time to flourish to be a multi-Super Bowl winner.

The label of 'bust' is subjective, but Levis starting games as a rookie and showing potential suggests he hasn't reached bust status yet, though he was eventually benched in year two.

While Levis waited, the Houston Texans and Arizona Cardinals were busy playing 4D chess with the rest of the league. Houston’s aggressive jump to snag CJ Stroud and Will Anderson back-to-back was the highlight of the night, proving that even the Texans' front office can occasionally do something competent.

Win
Apr 28, 2023·NFL Draft
#23030
Big CatBig Cat

The Arizona Cardinals and the Houston Texans won the first round of the 2023 NFL Draft.

The Cardinals and the Texans might have just won the first round draft. I'm gonna give the Texans an A plus because they picked second and third and they got good players.

The Texans drafting the eventual OROY (Stroud) and DROY (Anderson) makes this a very strong take in hindsight.

The Colts also made waves by taking Anthony Richardson, a move that officially ends their carousel of veteran quarterbacks. PFT thinks the Colts just drafted the ultimate entertainment package, for better or worse.

Win
Apr 28, 2023·NFL Draft
#23031
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Anthony Richardson will be a content machine because every play he makes is either an incredible highlight or a disastrous lowlight.

Everything that [Richardson] does is gonna be a highlight or a low light. There's gonna be a clip of everything Anthony Richardson does. When he plays well, it's like, holy shit, he's the only person in the league that can do that. When he plays poorly, he looks like a drunk Jameis [Winston]. So he's gonna be just a content machine.

Richardson has consistently been a high-variance player with massive highlights and significant accuracy/health issues, making him a major topic of social media debate.

As a Bears fan, Big Cat was riding high after the trade with the Eagles, though he admits that Philadelphia might have just landed a superstar in Jalen Carter. The logic is simple: the Eagles have the infrastructure to handle a high-risk, high-reward prospect that the Bears simply don't have yet.

Void
Apr 28, 2023·NFL Draft
#23033
Big CatBig Cat

Drafting Jalen Carter was a genius move for the Eagles, but he would not have worked for the Bears because they lack veteran defensive leadership.

I actually think that it was genius for the Eagles to take [Jalen Carter]. And the Bears did not take him because everything we've heard about him, he needs veteran leadership around him. The Bears do not have that. The Eagles have the opposite. They have a lot of great defensive players, a lot of older Fletcher Cox, like a lot of guys that will help him.

Carter was a finalist for DROY on the Eagles, while the Bears defense improved significantly later in the year after acquiring Montez Sweat, suggesting Big Cat's assessment of their respective needs was fair.

The Giannis Philosophy of Failure

Shifting to the hardwood, the guys had to address the absolute meltdown in Milwaukee. The Bucks getting bounced in five games by the Heat is one of the biggest upsets in NBA history, leading to Giannis Antetokounmpo's viral post-game lecture on the definition of failure. Big Cat wasn't buying the "steps to success" speech for a one-seed that just got embarrassed.

Win
Apr 28, 2023
#18572
Big CatBig Cat

The Bucks' season was a categorical failure

It's okay to say the Bucks season was a failure. Giannis isn't a failure. None of the players are a failure. Their season was a failure. They were the one seed they had the most wins in the regular season. They were odds on favorites and they got bounced in five games. Right. That's a failure.

By almost any objective sports standard, a 1-seed losing to an 8-seed in the first round is a failure.

PFT pointed out that while Giannis is out here giving life lessons to middle schoolers, Jimmy Butler is busy ascending to a different plane of existence. The Heat culture debate has been settled, but it might not be about the organization anymore.

Void
Apr 28, 2023
#23037
Big CatBig Cat

Jimmy Butler culture has officially superseded Heat culture.

Maybe we were right because it's not Heat culture, it's Jimmy Butler culture. Jimmy Butler culture is now over Heat culture. Jimmy Butler did that.

This is a subjective branding debate about the identity of the Heat during the Butler era.

Carson Palmer in Studio

Former number one overall pick Carson Palmer joined the show to celebrate the 20th anniversary of his draft night. He walked through the bizarre experience of having his contract signed before the draft even started, allowing him to treat New York like a victory lap while everyone else in the green room was sweating through their suits.

Looking at the current crop of QBs, Palmer offered some veteran perspective on Bryce Young. While Young is the most pro-ready, Palmer worries that the ceiling might be lower than people think compared to the raw athletes in the class.

Win
Apr 28, 2023
#18575
Carson PalmerCarson Palmer

Bryce Young has the lowest ceiling among the top 2023 QB prospects because he is a 'finished product' coming out of Alabama.

I think at the end of the day, if you're Carolina, you want a guy that's gonna play week one. And the guy that's most ready to play in week one is Bryce. But he is also got the lowest ceiling because he's been coached by the best of the best at Alabama... you're getting a finished product. He doesn't need to be coached a ton. He doesn't need to be taught a ton... there's not a ton of upside like there was with Josh Allen five years ago.

Young's struggles as a starter for the Panthers led to his benching in 2024, suggesting Palmer's concern about his ceiling/upside was prescient.

Palmer also touched on the physical toll of the game, specifically the recent trend of quarterbacks like Tua Tagovailoa trying to learn how to fall during the off-season. According to Carson, if you're learning that in the pros, you're already behind the eight ball.

Push
Apr 28, 2023
#23041
Carson PalmerCarson Palmer

If a quarterback has not learned how to fall correctly by the time they reach the NFL, they will continue to get injured.

If you're trying to figure out how to fall correctly at 24 in year three in the NFL, that's a problem. You learn how to absorb hits in junior high and high school. If you are trying to figure it out and trying to perfect that part of the game in year 2, 3, 4 in the NFL, you're probably gonna be getting hurt a lot.

Tua Tagovailoa notably stayed healthy for the entire 2023 season after this training, though he suffered another major concussion in 2024, leaving the efficacy of the training debated.

He also shared some incredible stories about playing against AFC North legends, specifically the two men who haunted his dreams and his offensive line adjustments for over a decade.

Void
Apr 28, 2023
#23042
Carson PalmerCarson Palmer

Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed are the two most fearsome defenders in NFL history.

It's not one guy. It's two guys. It's Troy [Polamalu] and Ed Reed. They both played the same position, but you had to prepare for them totally differently... I had weeks where we were playing the Steelers, if Troy was on the right and the play was called to the right, I had at the line of scrimmage to change it to the left.

Polamalu and Reed are both Hall of Famers and widely considered among the best ever, though 'most fearsome' is subjective.

Fyre Fest and the Fallout

To wrap things up, the guys hit Fyre Fest of the week. Hank's Apple Watch is apparently convinced he's burning 5,000 calories a day, which led to some very specific theories about his "active" right hand. Meanwhile, Jake Marsh admitted to a minor incident on the pickleball court where he may have over-hustled a woman in her forties.

Void
Apr 28, 2023·Fyre Fest
#18577
Jake MarshJake Marsh

Age and gender do not matter in pickleball

I'm telling you, if you play pickleball, you know that age, gender doesn't matter. Everyone plays together. Age is not a thing in pickleball. If you're good, you're good, you can hang.

While physically diverse, at high levels, age and physical capability certainly matter in pickleball as they do in all sports.

Big Cat also detailed his "loser" moment of donating $12,000 to charity after losing a 10K bet to Mincy, proving that in the world of PMT, even doing the right thing can make you look like an idiot.

Draft night might be over, but the soul patch bets and the Sixers-Celtics civil war are just beginning.

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More Takes

Void
Apr 28, 2023
#18567
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Draft Day would be one of the worst movies ever if it didn't have real NFL logos

Draft Day would be maybe one of the worst movies of all time if it didn't have the rights to the exact NFL logos and team names. If they had to make up like a fake NFL league, that movie would suck. Turns out that it rocks because it's like, oh, I recognize the Browns logo.

The movie's popularity is highly tied to its authenticity as an NFL-branded product, supporting the claim.
Void
Apr 28, 2023
#18568
Big CatBig Cat

Drafting a quarterback in the first round gives a fan base a one-year pass to ignore all negatives

Drafting a quarterback in the first round really does give you a new pep in your step lease on life where you're like, we have at least a year to just only look at the positive and ignore all the negatives. Even if he sucks for half of those games, you could still be like, well, you saw how good he was in that one game.

This is a recurring theme in Big Cat's philosophy regarding rookie quarterbacks and fan expectations.
Void
Apr 28, 2023
#18569
Big CatBig Cat

I'm officially out on all Big 12 defensive players

Tyree Wilson to the Raiders, I just, I'm bust all Big 12 defensive players. If you're a defensive player [from the Big 12], I would not touch you in the first round.

Being 'out on all Big 12 defensive players' in the NFL draft is a broad subjective stance about a conference's defensive talent. Some Big 12 defenders have contributed in the NFL.
Void
Apr 28, 2023·NFL Draft
#23032
MaxMax

NFL Draft grades and predictions are meaningless; the only thing that matters is getting a player with fun highlights.

I'm a big believer of draft day means nothing. And it's fun to get excited and watch highlights—draft day's about watching highlights. That's the only thing that matters is getting a guy who has fun highlights that you can go to bed tonight watching them and get you excited for the future. But it means nothing.

This is a philosophical stance on sports fandom that can't be proven true or false.
Loss
Apr 28, 2023·NFL Draft
#23034
Billy FootballBilly Football

Will McDonald IV's lack of size is irrelevant because his vertical leap allows him to jump over an entire offensive line.

[Will McDonald IV] can jump high so it doesn't matter [if he's undersized]. He can jump over a car. I wouldn't be surprised if he jumps over like an offensive line, Troy Polamalu style, and sacks the quarterback.

McDonald has primarily been a rotational pass rusher for the Jets and has not made a habit of leaping over entire offensive lines to sack quarterbacks.
Loss
Apr 28, 2023·NFL Draft
#23035
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Emmanuel Forbes is effectively a wide receiver who will score touchdowns for the Commanders on defense.

I love Emmanuel Forbes. He's a ball hawk. He's got six interceptions returned for a touchdown. Huge. So basically we got a wide receiver that's gonna score touchdowns for us on defense.

Forbes struggled immensely as a rookie, getting benched multiple times, and has not yet become a defensive scoring threat in the NFL.
Loss
Apr 28, 2023
#18570
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Ravens fleeced themselves by giving Lamar Jackson $185 million guaranteed

Lamar Jackson is still a Raven... he got 185 million guaranteed. That's a lot of money to guarantee to a running back. And I mean the Ravens kind of, they fleeced themselves on that one. Like who? Nobody in their right mind was gonna trade anything worth anything for that guy.

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Lamar Jackson won the NFL MVP in 2023, the first year of this deal, making the 'fleece' take look objectively incorrect.
Loss
Apr 28, 2023·Picks
#18571
HankHank

The Celtics will beat the Sixers in four or five games.

I'm ready for a sweep... Celtics in four or five. I think it's gonna be Celtics in four or five.

The series went to seven games.
Loss
Apr 28, 2023·Picks
#23036
MaxMax

The Philadelphia 76ers will defeat the Boston Celtics in six games.

Sixers are gonna win. Sixers in six.

The Celtics won the series 4-3.
Win
Apr 28, 2023
#18574
Big CatBig Cat

The Rangers are pathetic for blowing a 2-0 lead to the Devils

The Rangers are pathetic. The Rangers are pathetic. They are like, that is a pathetic to be up two-oh with two games at home. And then they obviously lost in New Jersey tonight, but they're pathetic. Four nothing shutout.

The Rangers did indeed lose the series in 7 games after blowing that 2-0 lead.
Loss
Apr 28, 2023
#18573
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Jimmy Butler is the number one player in the NBA

Jimmy Butler. Who is now, you know what, Jimmy's number one, he's my number one player in the NBA.

While Butler was elite in that run, Nikola Jokic won the Finals MVP and the title, generally cementing himself as the actual #1.
Win
Apr 28, 2023
#18578
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Aaron Rodgers taking a post-season loss is another failure for him as a Bucks owner

You know who a minority investor in the Bucks is? Aaron Rodgers. Another post-season loss failure for Aaron Rodgers.

The Bucks did lose, but attributing it to Rodgers is purely comedic/satirical.
Void
Apr 28, 2023
#23038
Big CatBig Cat

The Golden State Warriors do not truly start their postseason until Draymond Green gets suspended.

I think it's just like the Warriors don't start the playoffs until Draymond gets suspended. And then they just, and then they're ready to kick it into gear.

While the Warriors did win three straight after the Draymond suspension in this series, it isn't a literal rule of basketball.
Void
Apr 28, 2023
#23039
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

If the Kings advance past the Warriors, basketball fans will eventually regret not having the Warriors in the later rounds.

If the Kings advance, we're gonna be caught up again on the Beam team. We're gonna be very excited about them moving on to the second round. And then they're gonna start actually playing the second round, and I'm gonna be like, I really wish that this was the Warriors playing.

The Warriors won the series, so this scenario never played out.
Void
Apr 28, 2023
#23040
Carson PalmerCarson Palmer

Quarterbacks should take less on-field money to play for the Cowboys because the off-field marketing revenue is massive.

If you play for the Dallas Cowboys, whatever you don't make on the field, you can make up off the field on the mattress company that Dak [Prescott] is promoting. I think it's worth it to take a little less money on the field, have better players on the field, and open up even more doors if you win a Super Bowl off the field to making money marketing-wise in Dallas.

This is a business strategy opinion that depends on a player's risk tolerance and personal brand.
Win
Apr 28, 2023
#18576
Carson PalmerCarson Palmer

Caleb Williams would be the first overall pick in the 2023 draft if he were eligible

Caleb Williams... He'd be the first pick in this year's draft if he could come out... there's not a clear cut. If he was in this draft it would be Caleb Williams and then everybody else. He's that good.

Caleb Williams was indeed the consensus #1 pick in the 2024 draft and was widely considered a better prospect than those in the 2023 class.
Void
Apr 28, 2023
#23043
Carson PalmerCarson Palmer

Bruce Arians was never wrong; even if he was berating you in front of your peers, he wouldn't do it unless you actually screwed up.

Even if he's embarrassing you in front of the media or in front of your teammates, at the end of the day, if the guy's right and you are incorrect, it kind of just is okay because he wouldn't do it unless you screwed up... He was never wrong. So he got on you, he was hard on you, but it's because you deserved it.

This is Palmer's personal experience with Arians' coaching and film room habits.

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