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Coach Dick Vermeil, Mike Florio, CFB & Guys On Chicks

Wednesday, October 27, 202116 takes

Week 7 is finally over after a terrible MNF game in Seattle ( - ). World Series Preview and predictions ( - ). CFB talk and is Clemson dead ( - ). Hot Seat/Cool Throne ( - ). Coach Dick Vermeil joins the show to talk about his incredible football career, Kurt Warner, Bill Walsh, and motivation ( - ). Mike Florio joins the show to talk about Tom Brady’s 600th football and who legally owns it ( - ). We finish with guys on chicks

Recap

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Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Marshawn Lynch should be hired to be disappointed at shitty NFL games for the rest of the season

I would just like to watch beast mode be disappointed at shitty games for the rest of the season. Just watch and be like, what the fuck are they doing out there?

This is a subjective opinion about entertainment value.
Win
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Big CatBig Cat

The Astros and their fans will use a World Series win to claim they never needed to cheat

At stake is the Astros and their fan base being able to basically tell everyone that it wasn't cheating that got them the World Series. They're just a really good team... If they win this one, they can say, well, we were the best team on the first one as well.

The Astros did win the World Series in 2022 (not 2021), and the fan narrative followed this exact trajectory of 'us against the world.'
Win
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Big CatBig Cat

The Braves will win the World Series in six games

Braves in six.

The Braves defeated the Astros in 6 games to win the 2021 World Series.
Loss
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Jake MarshJake Marsh

The Braves will win the World Series in five games

Braves in five.

The series went 6 games, so this was incorrect.
Loss
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Billy FootballBilly Football

The Astros will win the World Series in seven games

Houston in seven.

The Astros lost in 6 games.
Push
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Big CatBig Cat

The Clemson dynasty is officially dead and Dabo Swinney is a system coach

Clemson is officially—is the dynasty over? Clemson is dead. The dynasty's dead. Dabo was a system coach. He can't do it without an elite quarterback. He can't do it without Deshaun Watson or Trevor Lawrence.

Clemson has not returned to the College Football Playoff since this take (as of early 2024), though calling Dabo a 'system coach' remains highly debatable.
Loss
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Big CatBig Cat

Wisconsin will win the Big Ten West

I think Wisconsin is going to win the Big Ten West and people are going to be real mad because they're not good. If they win out, they control their own destiny.

Wisconsin lost to Minnesota in the final week of the season, giving the Big Ten West title to Iowa.

Hot Seat Cool Throne

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Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021·Hot Seat/Cool Throne
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HankHank

Peyton Manning essentially admitted to cheating by doctoring footballs on the ManningCast

Peyton Manning starts going off this rant about how the ball boys in Indianapolis use the special sauce and they did all these tricks of the trade and did all this shit with the ball... and it's just crickets. Why not have that conversation when Brady is on the air... and Peyton is just like, yeah, we had our special sauce.

Peyton Manning did indeed describe elaborate processes for preparing footballs, which Hank interprets as being fundamentally the same as what Brady was punished for.
Win
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021·Hot Seat/Cool Throne
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Pete Carroll is coaching for his job and is just a manager of talent rather than an X's and O's guy

I think that Pete Carroll might be coaching for his job. What the absence of Russell Wilson has shown is that Pete Carroll, without an elite quarterback... Russell Wilson has been doing a lot to keep Pete Carroll looking like a great coach. I don't think he has a great X's and O's guy. I don't think he's a good decision maker.

Pete Carroll eventually left/was fired by the Seahawks after the 2023 season, following several years of mediocrity after Russell Wilson left.
Push
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021·Hot Seat/Cool Throne
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Big CatBig Cat

The Chicago Bulls are officially back

My cool throne is the Bulls because Bulls are back. They're the last undefeated team in the East. They are good.

The Bulls finished 46-36 and were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs. They were better than previous years, but 'back' was an overstatement.

Interview

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Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Dick VermeilDick Vermeil

Hard work is not punishment, it is the solution to losing

Hard work is not a form of punishment, but a lot of kids think it is. That's your job as a coach to teach them it is not. It's a solution. It's the way you get there. There's no correlation between working less and getting better.

This is a philosophical coaching stance.
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Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Dick VermeilDick Vermeil

Winning is not complicated; people are the ones who complicate it

I've said this many times and I've had an opportunity to prove it: winning is not complicated. People complicate it.

Subjective leadership philosophy.
Win
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

The Buccaneers had no legal right to reclaim Tom Brady's 600th touchdown ball from the fan

I looked at the season ticket agreement. I looked at the general ticket agreement... there's nothing on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers tickets that would give them the right to go get it... I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on if it would end up in court.

Legal consensus generally agrees that once an item is gifted by a team representative with 'apparent authority,' ownership transfers to the fan.
Win
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

Mike Evans had 'apparent authority' to give the football away, making the gift final

He has the apparent authority to scoop up a football on a touchdown he scored and hand it to a fan forever done over, no give backs, no take backs. Once that transfer is committed from the fan's perspective, that fan's got the right to assume that Mike Evans has the authority to surrender that football.

This is a correct application of contract and property law in the context of professional sports souvenirs.
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Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

There is a greater than 50% chance Dan Snyder is forced to sell the Washington Football Team

I'd say once somebody with the power to get to the bottom of it gets involved [Congress], it gets north of 50... Once we know about some of the things that Beth Wilkinson, the investigator found, yeah, I think it becomes untenable at that point publicly for Snyder to continue.

Dan Snyder was eventually forced to sell the team in 2023 for $6.05 billion.
Loss
Take Slip·Oct 27, 2021
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

There is a 94.9% chance Deshaun Watson is traded before the deadline

Percentage chance Deshaun Watson is traded in the next seven days, 10 days... 94.9% chance. Miami 75, Carolina 25... The chances of him being with the Texans next Tuesday after the trade deadline, very, very, very, very low.

Deshaun Watson was NOT traded before the 2021 deadline. He remained on the Texans roster until being traded to the Browns in March 2022.