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Coach Dick Vermeil, Mike Florio, CFB & Guys On Chicks

Wednesday, October 27, 202118 takes

Week 7 is finally over after a terrible MNF game in Seattle ( - ). World Series Preview and predictions ( - ). CFB talk and is Clemson dead ( - ). Hot Seat/Cool Throne ( - ). Coach Dick Vermeil joins the show to talk about his incredible football career, Kurt Warner, Bill Walsh, and motivation ( - ). Mike Florio joins the show to talk about Tom Brady’s 600th football and who legally owns it ( - ). We finish with guys on chicks

Coach Dick Vermeil on Kurt Warner, Mike Florio on Brady's 600th Ball

We just survived one of the most aesthetically displeasing weeks of football in recent memory. Between the Geno Smith versus Jameis Winston slopfest on Monday Night and a general lack of juice across the league, Big Cat is ready to perform a mental flush on Week 7 and never speak of it again.

Void
Oct 27, 2021
#21942
Big CatBig Cat

Week 7 was one of the worst weeks of NFL football from start to finish

Week seven was one of the worst weeks start to finish. Cause like, remember, like we kind of forget the Browns and the Broncos played that game. That was not fun either. It was an entire week of, of Brown's Broncos.

Subjective assessment of game quality.

Even with the bad games, the ManningCast provided some unintended fireworks. Hank is convinced he caught Peyton Manning in a full-blown confession regarding the "special sauce" used on footballs in Indianapolis. While the world was focused on Tom Brady being on the screen, Peyton was casually describing how they used belt sanders and secret mixtures to doctor the pigskins.

Void
HankHank

Peyton Manning essentially admitted to cheating by doctoring footballs on the ManningCast

Peyton Manning starts going off this rant about how the ball boys in Indianapolis use the special sauce and they did all these tricks of the trade and did all this shit with the ball... and it's just crickets. Why not have that conversation when Brady is on the air... and Peyton is just like, yeah, we had our special sauce.

Peyton Manning did indeed describe elaborate processes for preparing footballs, which Hank interprets as being fundamentally the same as what Brady was punished for.

World Series and the End of a Dynasty

With the World Series kicking off, the energy is split between rooting for Big T’s happiness and absolute disdain for the Astros. Big Cat is wary of a Houston victory because of the narrative shift it would invite for a fan base that is already defensive about their previous title.

Win
Oct 27, 2021
#7722
Big CatBig Cat

The Astros and their fans will use a World Series win to claim they never needed to cheat

At stake is the Astros and their fan base being able to basically tell everyone that it wasn't cheating that got them the World Series. They're just a really good team... If they win this one, they can say, well, we were the best team on the first one as well.

The Astros did win the World Series in 2022 (not 2021), and the fan narrative followed this exact trajectory of 'us against the world.'

Predictions are all over the place, with Big Cat and Jake backing the Braves while Billy is riding with the cheaters in Houston.

Win
Oct 27, 2021
#7723
Big CatBig Cat

The Braves will win the World Series in six games

Braves in six.

The Braves defeated the Astros in 6 games to win the 2021 World Series.
Loss
Oct 27, 2021
#7725
Billy FootballBilly Football

The Astros will win the World Series in seven games

Houston in seven.

The Astros lost in 6 games.

Switching to the college ranks, the mood is grim for Clemson. After years of dominance, the Tigers look human, and Big Cat isn't pulling any punches regarding Dabo Swinney’s recent struggles without a generational talent under center.

Push
Oct 27, 2021
#7726
Big CatBig Cat

The Clemson dynasty is officially dead and Dabo Swinney is a system coach

Clemson is officially—is the dynasty over? Clemson is dead. The dynasty's dead. Dabo was a system coach. He can't do it without an elite quarterback. He can't do it without Deshaun Watson or Trevor Lawrence.

Clemson made the 2024-25 expanded CFP as ACC champions but lost to Texas. Dabo has not returned to the national championship game since this take, though 'system coach' remains debatable.

Meanwhile, in the Big Ten, the chaos is just beginning. Despite being objectively hard to watch at times, Wisconsin still has a path to Indianapolis that could make a lot of people very angry.

Loss
Oct 27, 2021
#7727
Big CatBig Cat

Wisconsin will win the Big Ten West

I think Wisconsin is going to win the Big Ten West and people are going to be real mad because they're not good. If they win out, they control their own destiny.

Wisconsin lost to Minnesota in the final week of the season, giving the Big Ten West title to Iowa.

Coach Dick Vermeil

Legendary coach Dick Vermeil joined the show to talk about his Hall of Fame finalist nod and his incredible career path. He’s a true football guy who isn't afraid to show emotion, famously crying after big wins and losses alike. He walked through the building of the "Greatest Show on Turf" and explained that those high-flying Rams teams weren't just about Mike Martz’s schemes; they were built on the most grueling practice schedule imaginable.

Win
Oct 27, 2021
#21944
Dick VermeilDick Vermeil

The 1999 Rams foundations were built on two years of high-intensity, padded practices

The fundamental approach we took to practice, remember in those days, guys, there was no limit on how long you could stay on practice. There was no limit on how many contact practices or how many times you the wear the pads that team never took the pads off for two years in the, on the breakfast field. So it was built that way.

Historical fact about his own coaching methods.

He also offered some perspective on the current state of the Detroit Lions. While the record is ugly, Vermeil sees shades of his own rebuilding projects in what Dan Campbell is trying to establish in Detroit.

Win
Oct 27, 2021
#21945
Dick VermeilDick Vermeil

The Detroit Lions will eventually become a good team because of Dan Campbell's leadership

I watch the Detroit lions play, they play balls out. I mean, they, they may not win that fricking ball game, but they are. They're going to take some prisoners... eventually that will permeate into positive experiences... I think they're going to end up being a good football team.

The Lions did eventually become a powerhouse under Campbell, making the NFC Championship game in 2023.

Mike Florio on Tom Brady's 600th Ball

Our friend Mike Florio stopped by to clear up the legal mess surrounding the fan who gave back Tom Brady's 600th touchdown ball. While the Buccaneers acted like they had the right to demand it back, Florio’s research into the fine print of season ticket agreements suggest the fan held all the cards.

Win
Oct 27, 2021
#7734
Mike FlorioMike Florio

Mike Evans had 'apparent authority' to give the football away, making the gift final

He has the apparent authority to scoop up a football on a touchdown he scored and hand it to a fan forever done over, no give backs, no take backs. Once that transfer is committed from the fan's perspective, that fan's got the right to assume that Mike Evans has the authority to surrender that football.

This is a correct application of contract and property law in the context of professional sports souvenirs.

Florio also provided the latest on the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes. With the trade deadline looming, he is putting the odds of a move at nearly a certain lock, with one specific Florida team leading the pack.

Loss
Oct 27, 2021
#7736
Mike FlorioMike Florio

There is a 94.9% chance Deshaun Watson is traded before the deadline

95 is the kiss of death. I should say 94.9 because I've learned anytime anybody says there's a 95% chance of something happening, it never happens. So 94.9% chance. Miami 75, Carolina 24, 1% some crazy wildcard team.

Watson was NOT traded before the 2021 deadline; he remained with the Texans until the 2022 offseason.

We wrapped up the show with Guys on Chicks, featuring a listener who pierced her nipples and another concerned about her husband's ban on Halloween parties in favor of video games. Billy also tried to explain why getting hit in the nuts hurts so much more than the "clinking" that happens during sex, comparing it to a concussion for your balls.

Never forget that Billy once tried to waterproof his cowboy boots with garbage bags because he didn't want to buy actual rain boots.

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More Takes

Void
Oct 27, 2021
#21941
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I'd rather watch Marshawn Lynch be disappointed at bad NFL games than the actual broadcast

I would just like to watch beast mode be disappointed at shitty games for the rest of the season. Just watch and be like, what the fuck are they doing out there?

Subjective opinion on entertainment value.
Loss
Oct 27, 2021
#7724
Jake MarshJake Marsh

The Braves will win the World Series in five games

Braves in five.

The series went 6 games, so this was incorrect.
Win
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Pete Carroll is coaching for his job and is just a manager of talent rather than an X's and O's guy

I think that Pete Carroll might be coaching for his job. What the absence of Russell Wilson has shown is that Pete Carroll, without an elite quarterback... Russell Wilson has been doing a lot to keep Pete Carroll looking like a great coach. I don't think he has a great X's and O's guy. I don't think he's a good decision maker.

Pete Carroll eventually left/was fired by the Seahawks after the 2023 season, following several years of mediocrity after Russell Wilson left.
Win
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Matt Nagy and Ryan Pace deserve credit for not drafting anyone accused of sexual assault

Matt Nagy and Ryan Pace did not draft someone who's been accused of 22 counts of sexual assault. That's true. So good job bears.

Hot TakeFootballHotSarcastic
While technically true that they didn't draft Watson, the 'good job' is heavily sarcastic.
Push
Big CatBig Cat

The Chicago Bulls are officially back

My cool throne is the Bulls because Bulls are back. They're the last undefeated team in the East. They are good.

The Bulls finished 46-36 and were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs. They were better than previous years, but 'back' was an overstatement.
Win
Oct 27, 2021
#7733
Mike FlorioMike Florio

The Buccaneers had no legal right to reclaim Tom Brady's 600th touchdown ball from the fan

I looked at the season ticket agreement. I looked at the general ticket agreement... there's nothing on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers tickets that would give them the right to go get it... I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on if it would end up in court.

Legal consensus generally agrees that once an item is gifted by a team representative with 'apparent authority,' ownership transfers to the fan.
Win
Oct 27, 2021
#7735
Mike FlorioMike Florio

There is a greater than 50% chance Dan Snyder is forced to sell the Washington Football Team

I'd say once somebody with the power to get to the bottom of it gets involved [Congress], it gets north of 50... Once we know about some of the things that Beth Wilkinson, the investigator found, yeah, I think it becomes untenable at that point publicly for Snyder to continue.

Dan Snyder was eventually forced to sell the team in 2023 for $6.05 billion.

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