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Former NFL GM Mike Tannenbaum, Football Is Back + Mt Rushmore Of Pizza Toppings

Friday, August 6, 202117 takes

Football is officially back with the Hall of Fame game ( - ). Olympics talk and Lebron is starting his narratives again ( - ). Mt Rushmore of pizza toppings ( - ). Former GM of the Jets and current ESPN Analyst Mike Tannenbaum joins the show in studio to talk about how NFL front offices work, what mistakes teams make, diva quarterbacks and tons more ( - ). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week

Mike Tannenbaum on NFL Front Offices, Baker Mayfield, and Pizza Toppings

Football is officially back, even if that means we’re watching fourth-stringers run for their lives in the Hall of Fame Game. Big Cat and PFT are already in midseason form, dissecting the sideline snacks of Ben Roethlisberger and the absolute psycho energy Dan Campbell is bringing to the Lions with 1,100 milligrams of caffeine before sunrise. While most people skip the preseason opener, Big Cat is ready to fire at the betting window.

Loss
Aug 6, 2021
#28842
Big CatBig Cat

I'm taking the over on the Hall of Fame game's 32.5 point total.

I think the over-under was like 32.5 tonight. Take me over. The Hall of Fame game has changed where it used to be you'd get maybe like a series of the starters. Now we get nothing.

The Steelers beat the Cowboys 16-3, resulting in a total of 19 points, well under the 32.5 mark.

PFT is also finding an edge in Canton, mostly because Mike McCarthy knows Jerry Jones is watching his every move through the lens of a Hard Knocks camera crew.

Loss
Aug 6, 2021
#11581
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I'm taking the Cowboys to win the Hall of Fame Game because Mike McCarthy wants to set a tone for Hard Knocks.

For that reason, I'm going to take the Cowboys in the game tonight just because I think that McCarthy, he knows that Jerry Jones has his, like, Emperor Palpatine breath breathing down his neck all the time. So he wants to set a tone, and he knows that he's on Hard Knocks.

The Cowboys lost the Hall of Fame game to the Steelers 16-3.

Olympics Fever and LeBron Narratives

The guys checked in on the Tokyo Olympics, where the vibes are mixed. USA Basketball looks like they’ve finally woken up, but the track and field team is having a rough go of it, particularly with the baton passes in the 4x100. Big Cat isn't exactly losing sleep over the relay team's struggles, though.

Win
Aug 6, 2021
#28843
Big CatBig Cat

The US men's 4x100 relay team is terrible.

So our four by 100 team sucks. And there were like a lot of people who were like, this is a debacle. How are we so bad at this? ... I really just don't care. Like, I want us to win, but if we don't, I don't lose any sleep over it.

The US men's 4x100 team failed to qualify for the final after a disastrous 6th-place heat finish.

Speaking of the Olympics, Billy tried to get some respect for the track records being broken, but Big Cat isn't buying the purity of the sport right now.

Void
Aug 6, 2021
#28850
Big CatBig Cat

This is a 'Mickey Mouse Olympics' because host countries are manipulating tracks to ensure records are broken.

It's a Mickey Mouse Olympics. ... It's basically, and I kind of love this, that every host Olympics wants to break a bunch of records so they just make the track better. ... Every host country is like, how can we make this legal but also break all the records?

The Tokyo Olympic track was indeed engineered with new technology to be significantly faster, leading to several world records, though this doesn't officially make the games 'Mickey Mouse.'

They also touched on LeBron James starting his annual "everyone is doubting me" cycle by posting (and immediately deleting) a hype tweet about his old Lakers squad. PFT pointed out that if LeBron really wants a challenge, he should step into the ring with a certain heavyweight, though he might have too much of an advantage.

Void
Aug 6, 2021
#11596
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

LeBron James would obviously beat Mike Tyson in a street fight because of his size and reach.

LeBron James would obviously beat up Mike Tyson. He's way bigger, Billy. Dude, reach. He's bigger. Mike Tyson... LeBron James is like 6'9". And LeBron's tough. He's never flopped.

This is a hypothetical fight between a basketball player and one of the greatest heavyweight boxers ever. It is subjective, though logically most would favor the professional boxer.

Mike Tannenbaum in Studio

Former Jets and Dolphins executive Mike Tannenbaum joined the show for a fascinating look inside NFL front offices. He didn't shy away from his mistakes, admitting he probably should have kept Danny Woodhead and explaining the chaos of the Laremy Tunsil gas mask draft. He also gave us a look at the "production equals tolerance" formula that every GM uses when dealing with locker room headaches.

Win
Aug 6, 2021
#28848
Mike TannenbaumMike Tannenbaum

In NFL front offices, a player's production determines the level of tolerance for their off-field behavior.

In every single GM's office, they have one mathematical equation. Production equals tolerance. ... You want to have standards, protocols, and culture. But you know what? Hey, if Tiger Woods is not in the offseason program, he's still going out there as one of our guys.

While cynical, this is an observation of industry practice that is widely accepted as the 'unwritten rule' of professional sports.

Tannenbaum also went through the current crop of AFC quarterbacks, and he isn't exactly a member of the Baker Mayfield fan club. He argued that the Browns shouldn't break the bank for a guy he considers "height and speed deficient."

Win
Aug 6, 2021
#11589
Mike TannenbaumMike Tannenbaum

Baker Mayfield is a height and speed deficient quarterback who should not be paid a top-of-market contract.

Baker Mayfield is a guy that is just objectively short and slow... you can't pay him $40 million a year because you've got to keep Chubb and Ward and all these other guys... In my opinion, he's somewhere between the 6th and 8th best quarterback in the AFC. How are you going to win a championship?

Mayfield's career subsequently declined with the Browns, leading to his trade. While he had a resurgence later with Tampa Bay, Tannenbaum's assessment that the Browns shouldn't pay him top market value proved accurate for Cleveland.

The guys also pressed him on the future of other young stars like Josh Allen. While Allen has been incredible for the Bills, Tannenbaum thinks the jump in accuracy we've seen is something we might never see again from a college prospect.

Win
Aug 6, 2021
#11594
Mike TannenbaumMike Tannenbaum

Josh Allen's massive jump in completion percentage is a historical aberration that is unlikely to be repeated by others.

He is a very good player, and historically he has done something that no one else has in terms of improving his completion percentage... People don't leave college football and become as accurate as he has... his increase in completion percentage is historically good. [It is an aberration].

Josh Allen maintained his high completion percentage and elite play for years after this take, confirming that while it was a rare development, it was a permanent change for him.

He also weighed in on the Aaron Rodgers drama in Green Bay, noting that the Packers held all the cards as long as Rodgers didn't actually miss a paycheck.

Win
Aug 6, 2021
#28847
Mike TannenbaumMike Tannenbaum

The Packers will not blink in the Aaron Rodgers standoff until he actually skips a regular season game.

Green Bay will not blink or even think about blinking until [Aaron Rodgers] doesn't show up. Now, when he doesn't show up, now they're going to take a half a step back and say, hey, can we get three ones from Denver? ... But until then, they're going to assume that, hey, he's bad like a lot of us are at his boss, but when rubber meets the road, he's going to show up.

Aaron Rodgers reported for the 2021 season, played all 17 games, and won the NFL MVP award.

Mount Rushmore of Pizza Toppings

The guys went back to the fairway for a classic Mount Rushmore of Pizza Toppings. Things got heated immediately when Big Cat tried to take "plain cheese" as a topping, which was quickly shut down by the committee. PFT stood his ground on the importance of the basics, though.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

A pizza place's ability to make a plain cheese pizza correctly is the true metric of their quality.

If you can do a plain pizza right, then I think that you can do everything else right. ... Start with the basics and build off that.

This is a subjective food philosophy that cannot be proven right or wrong.

Hank went full Carnivore Diet with his list, drafting Pepperoni, Sausage, Bacon, and BBQ Chicken. Meanwhile, PFT tried to corner the market on the saltier side of the menu.

Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Black olives have the most flavor per surface area of any pizza topping.

Black olives have the most flavor per surface area of any pizza topping. ... I like doing a mixture [of green and black].

Flavor intensity is a matter of personal palate and cannot be objectively measured by 'surface area.'

Billy somehow drafted "Oregano" and "Spinach" because he’s apparently the healthiest person at Barstool, while Big Cat took heat for a Ricotta and Pineapple combo that sounds like a cry for help.

Whether it's burning your mouth on a DiGiorno or betting on Australian basketball, it's good to have the NFL back in our lives.

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More Takes

Win
Aug 6, 2021
#11583
Big CatBig Cat

Australia is a mortal lock to beat Slovenia in the Olympic Bronze Medal game.

Mortal lock of the century, Australia, third place game. You've got to find the teams that actually, it's like bowl season... Luka just carried his team to the semifinals, and now is he going to be like, I'm going to really want a bronze medal? Australia, that group together, has never won a medal.

Australia defeated Slovenia 107-93 to win the bronze medal on August 7, 2021.
Void
Aug 6, 2021
#11586
Mike TannenbaumMike Tannenbaum

If Justin Herbert had played in the SEC, he would have been the number one overall pick.

I scouted [Justin Herbert] for two years. I go to ESPN, and I'm standing on the table like, I want this guy... And I said it, which was if Justin Herbert played in the SEC, he would have been the number one pick in the draft. But he's quiet. He's in Oregon.

This is a hypothetical claim that cannot be proven, making it subjective.
Win
Aug 6, 2021
#28846
Mike TannenbaumMike Tannenbaum

It is way too early to call Tua Tagovailoa a bust and he needs more time to develop.

Tua had major hip surgery a year ago. Basically an abbreviated offseason. Like we got to give the guy a chance to see like what he has. ... Obviously this is a consequential year but I think sometimes like we move on from guys way too fast.

Tua Tagovailoa eventually developed into a Pro Bowl quarterback and league leader in passer rating, proving that 'bust' labels in 2021 were premature.
Loss
Aug 6, 2021
#11588
Mike TannenbaumMike Tannenbaum

I am betting against the Los Angeles Rams' 'stars and scrubs' roster model paying off.

It's a huge calculated risk that may pay off, but if I had to bet, I'm betting against it... they're saying, F that. Like, we're going to get Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald. Like, we're going to go play five against 11. But our five are so good, we're going to win. I think when you look at their offensive line guys, they are paper thin.

The 2021 Los Angeles Rams went on to win Super Bowl LVI, proving the model was successful for that season.
Win
Aug 6, 2021
#11592
Mike TannenbaumMike Tannenbaum

Carson Wentz is lacking the 'battlefield commander' leadership qualities needed to win championships.

If you're worried about Nick Foles as your backup, you've got the wrong guy. You think Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady cared who their backup was? No... And that's the part about Carson Wentz that he may be lacking.

Wentz's tenure in Indianapolis and later Washington was marred by leadership critiques and inconsistent play, eventually leading to him becoming a backup.
Push
Aug 6, 2021
#28849
Mike TannenbaumMike Tannenbaum

Jameis Winston will be successful with the Saints because of the humility he showed by sitting for a year.

He is someone that bet on himself and showed great humility a year ago by sitting behind Drew Brees. And that's hard to do when you're the first pick in the draft. Now, we have to go see it pay off, but I thought what it did was really be selfless and take long-term view.

Winston started the 2021 season with 14 touchdowns to only 3 interceptions before suffering a season-ending ACL tear. While he showed improvement, his tenure as the Saints' franchise QB was short-lived.

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