Kirk Herbstreit on Opt-Outs and Jimmy Graham on Career Milestones
Big Ben Roethlisberger finally had his emotional Pittsburgh send-off on Monday Night Football, and while the game was objectively terrible, it was the perfect Ben-tastic ending. Big Cat and PFT marveled at a stat line where a quarterback could throw 46 times for under 150 yards and still win. It was peak Big Ben: looking completely unathletic while dragging defenders like wolves trying to take down an elephant.
I really hope Big Ben shows up to training camp next year and claims he was joking about retiring
I really, really hope deep down. He just shows up to training camp next year. And he's like, what? Wait, what I was, I was just joking. Like I wasn't serious. I'm still [a] Steeler.
While the tears were flowing in the Steel City, PFT pointed out that Ben is the ultimate veteran of an era that didn't have to deal with every mistake being clipped for Twitter. He played through the transition into the social media age, but his legend was built in those muddy, grit-filled games of the late 2000s.
Big Ben benefited more from existing pre-social media than any other quarterback
Nobody benefited more from existing pre-social media than Big Ben. Yes. That is absolutely true.
Big Cat isn't fully buying the waterworks yet, though. Knowing Ben’s love for drama and the "daddy’s still a football player" vibes, he thinks there is a non-zero chance this was all a massive trial balloon to see if the front office would panic and beg for one more year.
Big Ben's 'retirement' is likely a ploy to see if the Steelers will beg him to come back
I think what Big Ben is doing now that I'm hearing all this is that I think he's essentially retiring. And then on the last day of work, he's going to walk out of the facility and he's going to do the thing, like... keep looking back like, oh, did you want me to do another? And hoping that someone says, 'Hey, Ben, we want you back.'
The Baker Mayfield Disaster
On the other side of that Monday night game, the Cleveland Browns' season officially went up in flames. Baker Mayfield looked like a guy who shouldn't have been on the field, and Big Cat thinks the coaching staff failed him by letting him play through a laundry list of injuries that clearly compromised his mechanics and the team's playoff chances.
The Browns screwed up Baker Mayfield's season by not forcing him to get healthy earlier
I actually still think that the Browns like baker deserves a lot of blame for not having a good year, but the Browns deserve a lot of blame for kind of bungling this entire injury. Like they never really were like, Hey baker, let's get you healthy and try to put it all back together. Instead there they were, it was just every week, let's get you out there. And he got progressively injured and was playing progressively worse.
With the season effectively over for Baker, the conversation shifts to whether Cleveland can actually commit to him long-term. He hasn't shown the consistency of an elite guy, and the guys agree that the price tag for a middle-of-the-pack starter is getting too rich for any team's blood.
You can't give Baker Mayfield a record-breaking contract right now
He definitely falls in the camp of a guy that you can't be giving a record breaking contract to. That's not like something wild. That's not a hot take. I think we all agree with that. He's not an upper echelon quarterback right now.
Kirk Herbstreit on the State of College Football
Kirk Herbstreit joined the show to clear the air after a weekend of trending on Twitter for his comments on player opt-outs. He explained that the conversation was more about the changing landscape of the sport than shaming individual kids. Kirk made a fascinating point about the "all-in" mentality: if a player is purely focused on the NFL, why only skip the bowl game?
If your only goal is reaching the NFL, you should skip your entire third season of college football instead of just a bowl game
I wish you all the best from the bottom of my heart. I hope you make generational wealth, but that's one lane. If you're in that lane, why would you not only not play in a bowl game... why would you play in the entire season? See, I think that's where we're going... If the goal is to get there, skip your entire third year, go to Phoenix, go train, stay healthy.
He also touched on the psychology of playing scared. Herbstreit’s advice for any player with one foot out the door is simple: if you're worried about the injury, that's exactly when you'll get hit.
If you are concerned about getting hurt in a bowl game, you should not play
If you play in a bull game and you're worried, oh my gosh, I'm playing in this bowl game. But what if I get hurt? You're going to get hurt... If there's any fear at all about what's at stake... I would say, don't do it. You got to play the game. It is a reckless game.
Looking ahead to the National Championship, the guys discussed the Georgia-Alabama rematch. While Bama took the rubber hose to Cincinnati, Georgia looked like an NFL team that snuck into hard rock stadium against Michigan. Big Cat is still holding onto the idea that the Bulldogs are the better squad, even if Saban is Kirby Smart's personal boogeyman.
Georgia is a better team than Alabama this year
I still do think Georgia is a better team than Alabama. And I think that they've been better all year.
Jimmy Graham’s Aviation and Intensity
Bears tight end Jimmy Graham hopped on to talk about his Walter Payton Man of the Year nomination and his foundation’s work with veterans. He also took some time to humble PFT and Big Cat on their aviation knowledge, explaining why he doesn't need a round of applause for touching down.
Planes can basically land themselves now, so clapping for pilots is unnecessary
Even in fog, you'll basically have the plane land itself... I think you should, more or less [clap] back to the plane. I mean, now most of the landings are done by hand, you know, obviously, cause, cause you've got to stay current... you know that if something was really going on, you know, those things are pretty much going to land themselves in fog.
Graham reflected on his legendary 2011 season where he realized he was essentially a glitch in the Madden engine. He credited his transition from basketball to his willingness to sacrifice everything on every single snap.
I am willing to die on certain plays; that is the level of commitment needed
I gave myself no other option... I play with this type of intensity and tenacity that, you know, I was willing to, you know, I mean, I was willing to die on certain plays out there. And that's kinda how I took it most of my career.
He also addressed the current state of Halas Hall and his own future. With his contract winding down and the Bears in flux, Jimmy was surprisingly candid about the fact that this Sunday might be the last time he wears the navy and orange.
This Sunday might be my last game with the Bears as I look for a contender next year
Hopefully this is my last game [with the Bears], you know, that's kind of where my mindset is... I got to figure out what's next for me, you know? And I got to figure out if there's an opportunity for me to go onto a contender next year and kind of see what happens.
Between Jake getting absolutely roasted for a massive zone-out during Hot Seat/Cool Throne and Billy giving out sketchy medical advice for IBS-C, the episode was a classic mid-week grind. If the Raiders and Chargers actually tie on Sunday Night to screw the Steelers, the internet might actually break.

