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Michael Jordan's Trainer Tim Grover, Stories About MJ, Last Dance 7 & 8 Review, Mt Flushmore Of Teammates

Monday, May 11, 202017 takes

Last Dance episode 7 and 8 were the best of the series as we finally get to see the real MJ. Calling people ho, making up slights to get himself motivated, retirement and coming back all discussed. (-) Who's back of the week including Norman Chad's terrible column and UFC periscopes. (-) Michael Jordan's long time trainer Tim Grover joins the show to talk about the Last Dance, training MJ, what it was like making the transition to and from baseball, the flu game, and much more. (-) Mt Flushmore of teammates (-) and Billy Football's deep dive into Murder Hornets (- )

Tim Grover on Michael Jordan's Drive, The Last Dance, and Murder Hornets

Episodes 7 and 8 of The Last Dance gave us the rawest look at Michael Jordan yet, and Big Cat isn't holding back on how much he loved the deep dive into MJ’s psyche. From calling Scott Burrell a "ho" to MJ making up imaginary slights to fuel his fire, the documentary finally captured the tyrant that led to six rings.

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May 11, 2020
#15439
Big CatBig Cat

Episode 7 of The Last Dance was the strongest episode of the entire documentary

I thought Episode 7 was the strongest episode of the entire documentary. It was so, so well done.

This is a subjective opinion on media quality.

One of the most emotional moments was seeing MJ break down at the end of Episode 7. While some saw vulnerability, PFT had a different read on what was actually happening behind those famously bloodshot eyes.

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May 11, 2020
#26296
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Michael Jordan's tears in The Last Dance were a result of his frustration with others' lack of self-expectation

I think [Jordan] was crying because he was so pissed off that people didn't expect as much from themselves as he did from everybody else.

This is a subjective interpretation of Jordan's emotional state.

The Man Who Trained the GOAT

Tim Grover, the legendary trainer who was with Michael Jordan for fifteen years, joined the show to break down what it was like inside the "Breakfast Club." He gave us the definitive answer on the "Flu Game," which he insists was a calculated hit by some suspicious pizza delivery men in Utah.

Win
May 11, 2020
#15459
Tim GroverTim Grover

The 'Flu Game' was 100% food poisoning from a pizza delivered by five suspicious men

100% it was food poisoning, 100%... I opened up the door and there's literally five guys standing out there to deliver a pizza... Nobody ate the pizza, but him, nobody. And there was no signs of flu, anything being sick before that... you don't go from being [fine to] being hit that fast [by a flu].

The Last Dance later confirmed this was Jordan's belief as well. While technically unproven, the testimony from the person in the room is the strongest evidence available.

Tim Grover also shared his theory on the three types of people: Coolers, Closers, and Cleaners. MJ was the ultimate Cleaner, a person who is never satisfied with the result and immediately looks for the next throat to step on.

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May 11, 2020
#26297
Tim GroverTim Grover

Elite athletes (Cleaners) are never satisfied and move immediately to the next challenge

Cleaners get that end result over and over again... A part of a cleaner's mentality is to constantly never be satisfied. When something is done, they move on to what's next.

This is Grover's proprietary framework for evaluating athletes.

He even gave us a percentage on how MJ looked when he first came back from his baseball sabbatical. Even at a fraction of his peak, he was still the best on the floor, but the transition from swinging a bat to shooting a ball was harder than people realized.

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May 11, 2020
#15458
Tim GroverTim Grover

Michael Jordan was only 70-75% of his peak self during the 1995 NBA return

When he came back for that shortened season, 70%, 75% best. And it was a crazy thing. Even at 70%, 75%, he's probably better than 90% of the players, but he wasn't Michael Jordan.

This is an expert physical assessment by his direct trainer. While technically subjective, it's based on his first-hand data.

Who's Back and Mount Flushmore

Who's Back of the Week featured some classic PMT targets. Big Cat highlighted the news surrounding Zion Williamson’s lawsuit as a classic case of chasing clout, while PFT took aim at the 90s media members who pushed gambling conspiracy theories during MJ’s retirement.

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May 11, 2020
#15441
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Established media columnists in the 90s were no better than modern-day Twitter eggs

It's wild to think that in the mid nineties media, all these people who were given columns were no better than just like some Twitter egg that wanted to like put this shit out there and they got away with it and they still have jobs to this day.

Subjective comparison between historical and modern media toxicity.
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May 11, 2020·Who's Back
#15455
Big CatBig Cat

The lawsuit against Zion Williamson for allegedly receiving money to attend Duke is cloud chasing

Zion Williamson's former marketing agent has served request for admission in their lawsuit, asking him to admit that he received money... She's cloud chasing, yeah.

The lawsuit was ultimately dismissed/settled without proving Zion took money, but the claim of 'cloud chasing' is subjective.

For the Mount Flushmore of Bad Teammates, the guys dug into the vault of locker room toxicity. Hank went after the current "LeGM" era of the NBA, pointing out that playing with greatness comes at the cost of your own job security.

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HankHank

LeBron James is one of the worst teammates of all time because he takes all the credit and trades everyone else

LeBron James. Can't be fun to be his teammate. You're always, always in fear that he's like, if you do well, he's going to take all the credit. If you do bad, he's probably going to trade you off the team.

The 'LeGM' reputation is well-documented but his status as a 'worst teammate' is highly subjective given he wins titles with them.

Big Cat brought up the legendary Roy Rage of Bill Romanowski, a man who literally ended a teammate’s career with a single punch in practice. PFT, however, went way back in the archives for his final pick to identify the first ever rat.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Judas belongs on the Mount Flushmore of worst teammates of all time

I'm going to go with Judas. I consider Judas to be a teammate. Sold out Jesus. All about the contract situation. Really fucked things up for the rest of the world because he was so selfish.

This is a comedic/satirical application of sports logic to theology.
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Big CatBig Cat

Bill Romanowski is one of the worst teammates of all time for ending a teammate's career with a punch

I will go with Bill Romanowski. Roy Rage ending his teammate's career by punching him in the face, spitting on people... Bill Romanowski.

Subjective ranking but based on the factual 2003 incident.

Science with Billy Football

Billy Football returned for a deep dive into the "Murder Hornets" currently terrifying the Pacific Northwest. According to our resident intern-son, the media is overreacting to the hornets when there is a much more aggressive threat buzzing around the southern border.

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Billy FootballBilly Football

Murder Hornets are not a threat to humans and people should be more worried about Africanized Bees

Murder Hornets are not a problem. The Africanized bees, on the other hand, have been killing more people per capita in the U.S. already... selfies are more dangerous than the murder hornets to the Chinese.

The Murder Hornet panic did eventually subside as they failed to establish a major presence in North America, and the annual death toll from hornets/wasps is relatively low compared to other risks.

Billy’s solution to the problem involves some biological warfare and a lot of vibrating honeybees, essentially suggesting we turn the American insect population into one giant, aggressive melting pot.

Loss
May 11, 2020
#26300
Billy FootballBilly Football

Crossbreeding Japanese and American bees is the solution to the Murder Hornet threat

World War B, we have Japanese bees. We crossbreed the Japanese bees with the American bees and we just become a melting pot of bee populations... our bees will be just as aggressive as the Africanized bees and push them back South.

Biologically and ecologically highly questionable and likely impossible as described.

Go home and feed your cat.

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May 11, 2020
#15444
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Michael Jordan's personality is the only thing that allowed him to be exceptionally great

You don't say that him being a jerk made him great, but you're saying that his greatness, like, yeah, he probably would not have been looked at in the way that we look at him right now if he didn't have that personality.

The relationship between personality and performance is subjective.
Win
May 11, 2020
#15447
Big CatBig Cat

The 1996 Bulls game against the Indiana Pacers had higher viewership than March Madness

MJ did three times the NCAA tournament. Think about that. The NBA game in the middle of March did three times NCAA tournament, so much so CBS had to do a make good for advertisers because they got so fucking roasted in viewership because MJ came back during March Madness.

Historical ratings confirm Jordan's return (March 19, 1995 vs Pacers) drew a 10.9 rating, the highest for a regular season NBA game, while the NCAA tournament games on CBS that day were lower.
Push
May 11, 2020·Who's Back
#15449
Big CatBig Cat

Roger Goodell will use a technicality to prevent Dave Portnoy from documenting the auction-won MNF game

I think they're going to figure out a technicality, right?... if he [Goodell] just had to sit with Goodell with no content being made. That's actually the ultimate own back on Dave. You just have to sit with this miserable person for an entire night and listen to him talk... and you can't make content out of it. That would kill Dave.

The NFL eventually barred Dave Portnoy from the night after a background check, preventing the meet-up from happening entirely.
Open
May 11, 2020·Who's Back
#15450
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tekashi 6ix9ine's addiction to Instagram Live will eventually lead to his downfall

this dude is so good at self-promotion... But the only downside to it is he's addicted to going live. He goes live when he's about to commit crimes. And as somebody who's on the run from people that are looking for him, I think that's going to be his downfall.

6ix9ine has faced numerous legal and safety issues since 2020, though 'downfall' is subjective. He has continued to be a polarizing figure with waning relevance.
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May 11, 2020
#26298
Tim GroverTim Grover

Successful people should only partner with others who are just as 'fucked up' as they are

In order to be successful, the person that should be involved in your success has to be just as fucked up as you are.

Subjective philosophy on partnership and success.

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