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Monday, April 17, 201717 takes

The guys are playing slightly hurt (hungover) but are ready to recap the wild weekend in sports . Power Rankings of least surprising story lines include the Wild imploding, the Clippers losing a game late and Tim Tebow getting a hit on Easter ( - ) . Who's back of the week ( - ). Nate Silver from 538 joins the show to talk about Sabermetrics, the difficulty in analyzing political polls, advanced analytics in the NBA, and who he likes to win the title ( - ). Segments include PR 101 for Dwyane Wade's missed dunk, Hurt or injured Jesus, Talking Soccer for Tim Howard, Aaron Hernandez update, Problematic for Sidney Crosby crying mask, and Trouble in Paradise for the New York Knicks.

Nate Silver on NBA Analytics, Political Polling, and the 2016 Election

Big Cat and PFT are playing slightly hurt today after a massive weekend of playoff hockey and hoops. PFT is fresh off a double-overtime heartbreaker in D.C. where the Capitals dropped Game 2 to the Maple Leafs. Despite the panic setting in across the DMV, PFT is leaning on his superior genetics to stay calm.

Win
Apr 17, 2017
#5575
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I am not worried about the Capitals losing home-ice advantage to the Maple Leafs

I'm not worried at all. It's not time to press the panic button. My overtime genes are still 1-0 in single overtime. I'd just like to point that out.

The Capitals won the series 4-2, moving on to the second round.

Speaking of the playoffs, the guys took a look at Draymond Green’s absolute dominance at the rim. While the NBA usually sells itself on posters and highlight dunks, Big Cat thinks the tide is turning toward the defensive end of the floor.

Void
Apr 17, 2017
#22571
Big CatBig Cat

A block is the new dunk in basketball

Quick embrace debate: is a block the new dunk? [PFT: Yes. I think so, too.] I do think that the way [Draymond Green] was blocking guys, that was better than more momentum than a huge ruckus dunk.

This is a subjective aesthetic preference regarding basketball highlights.

Nate Silver on the Science of Sports and Politics

Nate Silver from 538 joined the show for a two-part interview that immediately became the highest IQ segment in the history of the program. He broke down the 2016 election, explaining that a 30% chance for Trump wasn't an error—it was a real probability that people just didn't know how to read. When comparing recent sports miracles to political ones, Nate pointed out that one specific title stands above the rest.

Win
Apr 17, 2017
#5579
Nate SilverNate Silver

Leicester City winning the Premier League was crazier than the Cubs or Cavs championships

[Leicester winning] was by far of those four. That's like kind of what we want people to compare... Leicester City, that was freaking weird, especially given how they're not very good this year either.

From a betting odds perspective, Leicester's win is objectively the largest upset in sports history.

When the conversation shifted to the hardwood, Nate’s model produced some results that even he had a hard time stomach. The 538 model currently has the Cavaliers ranked below the Celtics, Raptors, and Wizards, mostly because the Cavs spent the last two months of the season looking like they'd forgotten how to play defense.

Win
Apr 17, 2017
#22572
Nate SilverNate Silver

I would still take the Cavaliers to win the East over the Celtics, Raptors, or Wizards, even though my model ranks them lower

My brain says LeBron is unbelievable every spring. ... No, I would take the Cavs out of that bunch [Celtics, Raptors, Wizards], obviously. ... I would take the Cavs out of that bunch, obviously.

The Cavaliers swept the Raptors and beat the Celtics in five games to win the 2017 Eastern Conference Finals.

Even with the model's skepticism, Nate is still a believer in the power of superstars. He weighed in on the MVP race, giving the nod to Russell Westbrook while noting that the value of a deep bench tends to evaporate once the playoffs begin.

Void
Apr 17, 2017
#22574
Nate SilverNate Silver

NBA bench depth beyond the 8th man doesn't matter in the playoffs

The [ten-man depth] does not matter. I'm a big believer in the seven and eight teams. ... If none of these ten guys can beat LeBron, what the hell does it matter?

This is a widely held belief in basketball analytics and coaching, as stars play much heavier minutes in the postseason.

Who’s Back and Segment Fun

Hank called in from his "basic bitch" vacation to join the guys for Who's Back of the Week. Between doing boomerangs and getting his taxes won at H&R Block, Hank had a realization about the playoffs and the fans who only show up when the stakes are high.

Void
Apr 17, 2017·Who's Back
#5577
HankHank

It is okay to be a fair-weather fan

My who's back of the week is fairweather fans... I think it's okay to be a Fairweather fan. I don't like the people that come out of the woodwork being like, oh, you only cheers for the Bruins in the playoffs.

This is a subjective opinion on sports culture.

Big Cat fired back by nominating books as his "Who's Back," specifically taking aim at LeBron James’ annual tradition of going "Zero Dark Thirty-23" and pretending to read The Godfather for the cameras.

Void
Apr 17, 2017·Who's Back
#5578
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James has never actually read The Godfather book

You read the Godfather book for the 7,000th time in a row, even though I don't think you ever read it the first time.

This is a humorous observation that cannot be factually proven either way.

In a quick round of Talking Soccer, the guys reacted to Tim Howard getting suspended for telling a fan to "f*** your mother." Big Cat thinks this is exactly the kind of energy the sport needs to finally make it in the States.

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Big CatBig Cat

Soccer needs scandals like the Kardashians or star players fighting fans to blow up in America

I really do think, though, that soccer, if soccer wants to blow up in America, they need to start just doing the things that are classic American sports. Someone needs to date a Kardashian. Someone needs to maybe tweet a picture of their penis by accident. Go into the stands and fight a guy.

Soccer has grown in popularity via other means (Messi arrival, access to European leagues), but the 'celebrity drama' factor Big Cat mentions remains a huge driver for the other major US sports.

Finally, the guys checked in on the disaster at Madison Square Garden. Phil Jackson is currently in a cold war with Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis, leading PFT to believe the Zen Master might have a specific endgame in mind.

Win
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Phil Jackson is actively trying to get fired by the Knicks to get a settlement

Phil Jackson is actively just trying to screw up as much as he can on purpose... Everything that you thought that Phil could do to try to get fired and get a big settlement, he has done it.

Jackson was fired on June 28, 2017, and received the remaining money on his contract (a settlement).

If you ever feel useless, just remember that the Knicks have a front office.

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Win
Apr 17, 2017
#5576
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Wizards are going to win their series against the Hawks easily

John Wall is really good at basketball... He's very good. The Wizards are going to win easily.

The Wizards defeated the Hawks 4-2 in the first round.
Void
Apr 17, 2017
#5580
Nate SilverNate Silver

Improvement in pitchers is less suspicious than hitters developing late-career power

With pitchers, pitching is such a funny thing that I kind of am not suspicious when a pitcher all of a sudden gets good... But for a hitter to suddenly develop power... It's definitely weird to see guys improving at age 36.

This aligns with biological aging curves in sports analytics.
Win
Apr 17, 2017
#5581
Nate SilverNate Silver

The San Antonio Spurs are the most impressive franchise in American sports history

The Spurs are the most impressive franchise in the history of American professional sports, right? They've been good for, like, 25 of the last 26 years.

The Spurs had 22 consecutive winning seasons and playoff appearances from 1997-2019, an American pro sports record.
Win
Apr 17, 2017
#5582
Nate SilverNate Silver

Russell Westbrook is the obvious choice for NBA MVP

To me, Westbrook is the kind of obvious answer, I guess. And Harden is the second most obvious answer... Leonard seems like it's overthinking it a little bit.

Russell Westbrook won the 2017 NBA MVP.
Void
Apr 17, 2017
#22573
Nate SilverNate Silver

Jimmy Butler is a slightly better player than Paul George

I think [Jimmy] Butler is a pinch better [than Paul George].

This is a subjective comparison of two elite wing players in their prime.
Win
Apr 17, 2017
#5583
Nate SilverNate Silver

Golden State is better with Kevin Durant than without him

So you think that they're better with Kevin Durant? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think they were better this year than they were.

The Warriors went 16-1 in the 2017 playoffs to win the title with Durant.
Void
Apr 17, 2017
#5584
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Roger Goodell looks like a genius for waiting to punish Aaron Hernandez

Roger Goodell... looks like a genius in hindsight like he he played this discipline policy as perfectly as you can do it he would have been in serious serious legal trouble of his own if he had suspended Hernandez for these two murders and then he was found not guilty.

Goodell did eventually ban Hernandez for life, though primarily after the Odin Lloyd conviction.
Void
Apr 17, 2017·Problematic
#5585
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Crying about sports is the most manly thing a man can do

Crying about sports is the most manly thing that you can do... why not like grown men cry? That's OK. We can accept it.

Subjective opinion on emotional expression.

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