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NFL Draft With Todd McShay, Packers HC Matt LaFleur, Playoff Recaps In NHL/NBA + Listener Submitted FAQ's

Wednesday, April 23, 202520 takes

We recap Tuesday nights playoff action via zoom, the Lakers even the series, Leafs team of destiny and the Grizzlies and Bucks look cooked(-). We then go back in studio to talk about an incredible Monday night including the Nuggets/Clippers series and is it getting tough to watch Jalen Brunson? Plus Ovi is unreal and playoff hockey rules(-). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including PFT vs Hank and Nico Harrison does another dumb press conference(-). Todd McShay joins the show to tell us what he's hearing from teams ahead of Thursday's draft, what the Giants are thinking, how the draft may fall, blue chippers, and guy he loves(-). Packers Head Coach Matt LaFleur joins the show to talk draft, what its like in the war room, throwing out a first pitch, and introducing him to the Rizzler(-). We finish the show with listener submitted FAQ's(-)

Todd McShay and Matt LaFleur on NFL Draft Chaos and Playoff Recaps

The NBA and NHL playoffs are in full swing, but draft season is officially here to ruin everyone's sleep schedule. Big Cat and PFT started on Zoom with Max looking like a cozy little sick boy in the corner, apparently sidelined by a bad batch of meatballs. Despite Max's stomach bug, the energy was high as the guys processed a wild slate of games that saw the Celtics continue their path of destruction through the East.

Eastern Conference Fatigue and the Bucks' Bad Vibes

PFT is officially out on the Eastern Conference. After watching the Celtics dismantle another opponent, he’s ready to just hand them the trophy and save everyone the travel time. It’s not that the other teams are bad, it’s just that they look like appetizers for a very hungry Jayson Tatum.

Win
Apr 23, 2025
#10564
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NBA should stop the Eastern Conference playoffs because the Celtics are just going to eat everyone

Can we just stop with the Eastern conference playoffs? Can we just not do 'em? Because what's happening is every team is just kind of getting fattened up to get eaten by the Celtics and a delicious snack. Like that's what's gonna happen.

The Celtics did dominate the 2024 Eastern Conference, losing only two games total on their way to the Finals.

While PFT is out on the East, Big Cat is holding onto hope for the Pacers. He loves the pace and the shooting, but the real story in the division is the crumbling situation in Milwaukee. Between injuries and rumors about their superstar's future, things are looking grim for the Cream City.

Open
Apr 23, 2025
#10565
Big CatBig Cat

I would not be shocked if Giannis Antetokounmpo doesn't finish his career in Milwaukee if they don't make a deep run

He said that he would not be shocked if Giannis doesn't finish his career in Milwaukee and that this is a very pivotal playoff for them. And if they don't make a finals run or win the finals, there could be a big wholesale change in Milwaukee.

Giannis signed a major extension in 2023, but rumors of his departure persist whenever the Bucks struggle in the postseason.

Ethical Hoops and the Detroit Renaissance

Back in the studio, Big Cat had a bone to pick with Jalen Brunson. While acknowledging his talent, the constant foul baiting has reached a tipping point for the guys. It’s become a specific style of play that Big Cat has categorized as "unethical."

Void
Apr 23, 2025
#10567
Big CatBig Cat

Jalen Brunson's foul baiting has made him hard to watch as a basketball fan

The foul baiting has gotten to a point where it's just hard to watch. And it's not just the foul baiting... the Knicks in this fourth quarter, they just go to straight iso ball foul baiting. No one else touches the ball. Jalen Brunson just trying to score. And it's bad basketball to watch.

This is a subjective opinion on playing style that many fans and analysts debated during the 2024 playoffs.

This led to a broader discussion about what constitutes a "good watch" in the playoffs. While the Knicks are leaning into the whistle, the Pistons—fresh off breaking a historic playoff losing streak—are playing a brand of basketball the guys can actually get behind.

Void
Apr 23, 2025
#21028
Big CatBig Cat

Cade Cunningham is an 'ethical hooper' while Jalen Brunson is an 'unethical hooper'

Cade Cunningham is an ethical hooper. Jalen Brunson is an unethical hooper... I always just judge it is is a player trying to score or they trying to get fouled. And when it leans more to trying to get fouled, that's just not basketball I wanna watch.

This is a purely subjective categorization based on playstyle and officiating preferences.

Big Cat pointed out that this Pistons win feels like the final piece of the puzzle for Detroit sports. With the Lions and Tigers trending up, the city is finally escaping the basement of professional sports.

Void
Apr 23, 2025
#10566
Big CatBig Cat

Winning a playoff game signals that all of Detroit sports, besides the Red Wings, are trending in the right direction

This is something that Pistons fans should enjoy and revel in and be like, yes. Like it is now trending towards the right way. All of Detroit sports, by the way, besides the Red Wings, like think about it, the lions have been bad forever... Tigers were bad... and now the Pistons.

Subjective opinion on the trajectory of multiple franchises.

Todd McShay’s 2025 Draft Intel

Our good friend Todd McShay joined the show from a high-end Hollywood studio to give us the real dirt on what's happening ahead of Thursday. While the mock drafts are flying everywhere, McShay says the top of this class is much more exclusive than people realize. He sees a massive gap between the top two prospects and everyone else.

Win
Apr 23, 2025
#21029
Todd McShayTodd McShay

Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter are in their own elite tier at the top of the 2025 draft class

There's two guys that are at the top and that's Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. Like they're in their own tier if you will. Then after that there's, there's a handful of guys.

Both players were high first-round picks, aligning with the elite tier evaluation.

McShay also threw some cold water on the idea that this will be a quarterback-heavy first round. Despite the desperate needs of several teams, the value just might not be there to justify a reach in the top 32.

Loss
Apr 23, 2025
#10570
Todd McShayTodd McShay

It is more likely that only one quarterback is drafted in the first round than three

There's a growing sense that it's more likely that one quarterback gets drafted in the first round than three. Cam Ward one, Jackson Dart two, Shedeur Sanders three, Tyler Shough four... I think it's more likely that one gets drafted than three.

Three quarterbacks (Ward, Dart, Sanders) were actually drafted in the first round, making this incorrect.

For the Giants fans out there, McShay gave a glowing review of Brian Daboll's ability to polish a young signal-caller, which should give some hope regardless of who they land on.

Void
Apr 23, 2025
#21030
Todd McShayTodd McShay

Brian Daboll is one of only a handful of people in the NFL who genuinely knows how to develop a quarterback

If you hire Brian Daboll, you did so because he is one of the handful, not dozens, handful of human beings on this planet in the NFL that actually know how to develop quarterbacks... this guy is at a very high level in the NFL in terms of offensive coaching.

This is a subjective evaluation of a coach's reputation and past results.

Matt LaFleur: War Rooms and The Rizzler

Packers head coach Matt LaFleur stopped by to talk about the reality of the draft war room. We got deep into the weeds on draft snacks and the stress of watching your favorite players get sniped one pick before you're on the clock.

Of course, it wouldn't be PMT if we didn't spend ten minutes trying to explain Gen Alpha slang to a man who just wants to win a Super Bowl. Big Cat and PFT attempted to introduce Coach LaFleur to "The Rizzler," which went about as well as you’d expect for a 44-year-old NFL coach.

Before letting him go, we had to ask about the Jets' current situation. LaFleur’s brother was on that staff, so he’s heard the stories, and he couldn't help but enjoy Aaron Rodgers' recent comments about missing the culture in Green Bay.

Win
Apr 23, 2025
#10573
Matt LaFleurMatt LaFleur

Aaron Rodgers realizing he misses the Packers' culture after his time with the Jets makes me grin

Aaron Rodgers said that he's looking for a culture like the Packers... That does make me, that does make me grin. That makes me happy. Unfortunately just between Saleh and my brother, you know, there's some interesting stories [from the Jets] to say.

LaFleur is confirming his own emotional reaction, which is inherently true.

Whether it's the Rizzler or the tush push, Matt LaFleur is ready for the draft—just don't ask him to throw a first pitch anytime soon unless he's allowed to practice from the rubber first.

If you see a 45-passenger Gravitron in the Barstool parking lot next week, mind your own business.

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More Takes

Void
Big CatBig Cat

I genuinely think the Indiana Pacers are a good basketball team

I think the Pacers are good. I do. I think they have a ton of shooting. They play a fast pace... I like watching the Pacers play basketball.

This is a subjective evaluation of a team's quality during a playoff run.
Win
Big CatBig Cat

The Thunder versus Grizzlies series is a total mismatch of men versus boys

The Grizzlies, the one series that we can all agree is just needs to be over is the Grizzly Thunder. Yeah. That this is, this is men versus boys. The Thunder's defense is so fucking good... It's just a not it's not a real series.

The Thunder swept the series 4-0, confirming the extreme mismatch.
Push
HankHank

The NBA Finals will definitely be the Celtics versus the Thunder

Let's just fast forward to the finals. We all, it's, it's, it's Celtics Thunder. Like there's no other, there's no other way.

While the Celtics reached and won the Finals, the Thunder were eliminated in the second round by the Mavericks.
Win
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Alex Alexeyev is waiting until after the playoffs for facial reconstruction after losing teeth on the ice

Alex Alexeyev, he got hit in the mouth by a stick. He lost two of his front teeth on the ice... apparently he needs like full facial reconstruction, dental surgery. And he is like, you know what, I'll do it after the playoffs. Fuck it.

Alexeyev did lose teeth during the series and famously played through it, waiting for the offseason for the full dental repair.
Loss
Big CatBig Cat

The Lakers versus Timberwolves series will be a battle that goes six or seven games

I think the Lakers Wolves is gonna be a, a six or seven game series and I, I expected the Lakers to win tonight and I expected what we saw.

The Timberwolves defeated the Lakers in 5 games, so this was slightly off.
Void
Apr 23, 2025
#10568
HankHank

Kawhi Leonard is the Brooks Koepka of basketball

Kawhi is is the Brooks Koepka of basketball. He, when, his peers will be like, he's the best. Like he can be the best. He can beat the best when he is on his a-game. He just doesn't care about like, you know, maybe like starts or, you know, playing the regular season. It's just when the time matters the most.

The comparison is logically sound based on both athletes' reputations for showing up in big moments and ignoring the regular season/minor events.
Void
Apr 23, 2025
#10569
Todd McShayTodd McShay

Ashton Jeanty is a better pure runner than Bijan Robinson

I actually think [Ashton Jeanty] is a better pure runner in terms of contact balance churning out yards after contact than Bijan Robinson. There's been six running backs going the top 10 in the last 10 years of the draft... [Ashton Jeanty] is absolutely worth the pick.

Comparing running backs as pure runners is inherently subjective scouting analysis.
Win
Apr 23, 2025
#21031
Todd McShayTodd McShay

Jackson Dart fits Brian Daboll's quarterback mold much better than Shedeur Sanders

Jackson Dart fits the mold for [Daboll]. Sturdy, mobile, bigger arm than Shedeur... whether it's Shedeur or Tyler Shough or maybe a developmental project in, you know, day two with Jalen Milroe, that fits a lot more than Shedeur... I'm hearing now that he wants to take a quarterback at three... but I also have heard, and it lines up with my football senses that it's not Shedeur.

The Giants did not draft Sanders, eventually taking Jackson Dart later in the first round.
Win
Apr 23, 2025
#21032
Todd McShayTodd McShay

Grey Zabel is the most athletic interior offensive lineman in the 2025 draft class

Grey Zabel moves differently than every interior offensive lineman this draft. I think he could go as high as 18 to Seattle.

Zabel was drafted in the first round (22nd overall) and cited for his elite movement traits.
Open
Apr 23, 2025
#10571
Todd McShayTodd McShay

Matthew Golden is the best wide receiver in the 2025 draft class

Number one receiver, Matthew Golden. Route running, crispness, 4.29 40-yard dash... top end speed great... caught a crease, he's gone. Vertical speed adjusts to the ball. I like Golden one.

This will be proven over time as these receivers play in the NFL.
Void
Apr 23, 2025
#10572
Matt LaFleurMatt LaFleur

I would never close the door on teaming up with Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan on a coaching staff again

[Teaming up with McVay and Shanahan] I think it'd be great... Absolutely not [closing the door]. I don't know if they could coexist, you know, being in the same division all these years. But I hope that's possible.

This is a statement of intent/openness and can only be proven true if they actually reunite.

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