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NFL With Greg Olsen, Goose The Band In Studio, CFB, Are The Ravens In Trouble + Pardon Your Takes

Wednesday, September 24, 202521 takes

The Lions look all the way back and the Ravens may be in trouble. Derrick Henry has a case of the fumbles and who’s more panicked if they lose on Sunday the Ravens or the Chiefs (-)? We talk some CFB, Mike Gundy fired, Indiana and Texas Tech look awesome and Wisconsin is in a dark dark place (-). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including some differing opinions on Lane Kiffin’s current predicament + Ryder Cup talk (-). Greg Olsen joins us to talk NFL, why he looks like an ump, teams that have impressed him, mentality going 0-3, Bills receivers and more (-). Goose joins us in studio to talk about their creation as a band, jam band scene, touring, making songs and more (-). We finish with listener submitted pardon your takes (-).

Greg Olsen and Goose on NFL Trends, Jam Band Life, and Ravens Woes

The Detroit Lions went into Baltimore on Monday night and effectively declared that their Week 1 struggles are a distant memory. Jared Goff continues to operate at a level that puts him in the elite conversation, and while Dan Campbell’s aggressiveness remains a polarizing topic for the math-hating crowd, the results speak for themselves. Big Cat and PFT are fully back on the Lions bandwagon.

Win
Sep 24, 2025
#7568
Big CatBig Cat

The Detroit Lions are going to be just fine after their win over the Ravens

The Detroit Lions are gonna be just fine because they went into Baltimore on Monday night and they look just as good as ever.

The Lions did indeed win the game mentioned in this 2025 context, and Big Cat is stating they are back to their previous form.

On the other side of that matchup, the Ravens are officially a concern. Despite having the talent to compete with anyone, the mental lapses and the suddenly porous defense have people questioning their ceiling. Big Cat isn't hiding his frustration with the team’s inability to close out big games or manage the goal line efficiently.

Void
Sep 24, 2025
#7571
Big CatBig Cat

I do not trust the Ravens in big games despite their talent

I do not trust the Ravens. They keep doing the things that drive me insane... these big games, I just don't trust them.

This is a subjective assessment of the team's reliability.

Part of that frustration stems from Derrick Henry, who has looked uncharacteristically loose with the football. PFT pointed out that the fumbling issues might be reaching a point where they affect how Henry runs the ball, potentially turning him into a tentative version of the workhorse we’ve known for a decade.

Win
Sep 24, 2025
#7570
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Derrick Henry has a serious fumbling problem in the 2025 season

He also just has a fumbling problem right now. He's fumbled three times on 43 touches in 2025.

Refers to stats within the fictional 2025 season context of the transcript.

College Football's Crisis Centers

Turning to the college game, it’s a tale of two extremes. Indiana and Curt Cignetti are making everyone look stupid, but the traditional powers are crumbling. Big Cat is in a dark place with Wisconsin, admitting the program might be at a total crossroads. Meanwhile, the Dabo Swinney era at Clemson feels like it’s approaching its expiration date as the sport leaves his old-school methods behind.

Void
Sep 24, 2025
#21486
Big CatBig Cat

The era of Dabo Swinney being elite at Clemson is over

It feels like it's over for Dabo just because of like the way he... he's in a crisis. Dabo is, I think he's reached the point now where he is, he's outwardly hostile towards Clemson fans... It's a common theme of coaches or programs not getting with the times.

Clemson's failure to return to the CFP elite tier since the 2020 season supports this, though Dabo remains a winning coach.

We also had to address the Dylan Raiola situation. While the Nebraska freshman is undeniably talented, the Patrick Mahomes cosplay—from the hair to the hand signals to the pre-game routine—is reaching levels of weirdness that even the most casual observers can't ignore.

Void
Sep 24, 2025
#21485
Big CatBig Cat

Dylan Raiola needs to stop mimicking Patrick Mahomes because it is getting weird

I don't understand how we have such a disconnect with everyone in the Dylan Raiola, Patrick Mahomes thing... we keep talking about it because he keeps doing it. It's weird at this point... just be a good quarterback. 'Cause you are.

This is a subjective critique of a player's persona and aesthetic choices.

Greg Olsen on the "Kicking is Losing" Era

Friend of the program Greg Olsen joined the show to talk about his transition between booths and the current state of the NFL. Greg didn't hold back on the tactical shift toward fourth-down attempts, arguing that teams who settle for field goals are essentially signing their own death warrants in the modern game.

Void
Sep 24, 2025
#7581
Greg OlsenGreg Olsen

NFL teams are going to lose every time they choose to punt or kick field goals

The days of let's just take the points. Those have to be over. You are gonna lose in the NFL nowadays every time you kick the ball. A punt or a kick... You should not kick field goals that much in a game or you're gonna lose.

While mathematically supported by aggressive play-callers like Dan Campbell, kicking is still a standard and often necessary part of winning games.

Greg also highlighted the Chargers as a team that finally belongs in the same breath as the AFC heavyweights, noting that Jim Harbaugh’s influence has given them the credibility they've lacked for years.

Push
Sep 24, 2025
#7583
Greg OlsenGreg Olsen

The Chargers are entering the conversation as a top-tier AFC team

This year does feel like the year that the Chargers enter, like, okay, are we now adding another top tier team to the AFC... it's the year that the Chargers now enter that conversation.

The Chargers made the playoffs as #7 seed but lost in the Wild Card 16-28 to Patriots. They entered the conversation but weren't top-tier.

Goose In-Studio

Finally, the guys from Goose stopped by to talk about the jam band scene and their new album, *Wildfire*. It was a fascinating look at how a band built for live improvisation handles the studio environment. Rick and Peter discussed the unique pressure of performing for a fan base that tracks every setlist like a box score. When the topic of AI came up, Rick had a defiant stance on why their specific brand of music is safe from the robots.

Void
Sep 24, 2025
#7585
RM
Rick Mitarotonda

Jam bands are AI-proof because a robot can never replicate the human element of a live performance

A robot can definitely lay down some... but a robot, an AI can never play a sick live show... [Mistakes are] real man. It's proof that you're human.

The impact of AI on live music is an ongoing debate with no clear resolution.

If you're wondering how the show ended, let's just say the Lottery Ball machine remains the most undefeated opponent in the history of the show for Memes.

At least we still have Bill Nye and Weird Al to keep our childhoods intact.

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More Takes

Void
Sep 24, 2025
#7569
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

An argument can be made that Jared Goff is statistically the best quarterback in the NFL since joining the Lions

If you look at Jared Goff's stats since he became a Lion, you could make the argument that statistically he's the best quarterback in the NFL... by the stats, by the numbers in terms of like yards, touchdowns, all that stuff.

While Goff's volume stats are elite, the 'best' label is subjective and debatable against Mahomes, Allen, etc. Correctness is subjective.
Open
Sep 24, 2025
#21481
Big CatBig Cat

The Ravens have a better chance of making the playoffs at 1-3 than the Chiefs do

I would say the Ravens just because of the division. Because obviously Joe Burrow's now out, they get to play the Browns again. They play the Steelers... I would say probably the Ravens.

Both teams are perennial playoff contenders; the outcome depends on the final 2025 regular season standings.
Void
Sep 24, 2025
#21482
Big CatBig Cat

Patrick Mahomes hasn't looked the same for the last year and a half

Mahomes doesn't look... It's okay to say he gets all benefit of the doubt from what he's done in his career. But in terms of the last two Super Bowl years... he doesn't look. It's not the same. It looked three, four years ago. That's a fair statement to say.

Statistically, Mahomes' production has dipped from his peak years (2018-2022), though he remains the premier QB in the league.
Void
Sep 24, 2025
#21483
Big CatBig Cat

The Niners' injury problems stem from having too many good players

Maybe the problem for the Niners is don't have so many good players. Because if you don't have that many good players and someone gets hurt, it's like, well he wasn't good anyway. They have too many good players. So the odds are one of their good players is gonna get hurt.

This is a satirical take on probability and roster construction.
Win
Sep 24, 2025
#21484
Big CatBig Cat

Indiana might be even better at football than they were last year

Indiana, what they did to Illinois was not, I wouldn't say shocking. It was just more holy shit. Indiana might be better than they were last year. And Curt Cignetti, he's a maniac.

Indiana went 16-0 in 2025, winning the national championship. They were dramatically better than their 2024 season, going undefeated for the first time in program history and winning their first Big Ten title since 1967. Big Cat was right that they might be even better.
Win
Big CatBig Cat

Wisconsin football is in a dark place and may not win another game this year

We're in a lot of trouble. A lot of trouble. Like dark, dark times... I don't know if they're gonna win another game this year.

Wisconsin went 4-8 in 2025, their worst record under Luke Fickell, including blowout losses like 37-0 to Iowa and 34-0 to Ohio State. They were indeed in a dark place.
Win
Sep 24, 2025
#21487
Big CatBig Cat

Oklahoma cheated to beat Auburn with an illegal trick play

And also they did cheat. They did cheat. The SEC, they said, 'Hey, hands up. We missed that one. Sorry guys.' They ran the trick play where they sent a guy to the sidelines... it was illegal. They screwed that one up.

The SEC publicly acknowledged the illegal formation/substitution on the trick play, making the claim factual.
Win
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Miami is a legitimate national championship contender

Miami is a legitimately good team... if you look at their schedule, Miami is going to be in the national championship consideration.

Miami made the CFP National Championship game, absolutely in national championship consideration.
Loss
HankHank

Brandel Chamblee is using bots to generate fake YouTube views for Bryson DeChambeau's content

I put him [Brandel Chamblee] on the Hot Seat because there's just no way Brandel Chamblee is this locked in... but he said, 'I have no doubt that bots are generating a lot of those views.'

Chamblee's accusation is unsubstantiated; DeChambeau's YouTube growth is widely attributed to high-quality content and the 'Break 50' series.
Win
Big CatBig Cat

The Raiders will bench Russell Wilson for Jackson Dart on Sunday

Jackson Dart is starting on Sunday versus the Chargers. This is to be expected. Russell Wilson, that goal line sequence, that was it.

Jackson Dart did start for the Raiders in the following game, making this correct.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Lane Kiffin's daughter's relationship with an LSU player is a 'coordinated attack' to get intel

He definitely knew. They've been dating for a while. He posted a picture of her... he's already talked to Weeks about what they're gonna run on defense.

Highly unlikely to be a literal 'coordinated attack' for coaching intel, but a funny sports theory.
Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Bill Nye and Weird Al are the two people whose cancellation would wreck my childhood

I respect Bill Nye just as a human. He would be probably top five for me in terms of if Bill Nye was canceled for being a scumbag... that would wreck my childhood. It's him and Weird Al. Those are the two big ones.

This is a personal feeling about public figures.
Loss
Sep 24, 2025
#21490
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I bet on the Miami Hurricanes to win the national championship

I bet on The U to win the national championship. I think that they can... I might be wrong, but I feel like if there's one coach that's gonna be able to handle bye week-game-bye week, it's probably Mario Cristobal.

PFT bet on Miami to win the national championship. Miami made it to the CFP National Championship game but lost to Indiana 27-21. They did not win the title.

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