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Peyton Manning, Vacation Is Over And Rodgers Didn't Retire, The Mt Rushmore Of Combos

Monday, August 2, 202117 takes

The gang is back in studio and we review the past week including Aaron Rodgers non retirement ( - ). Hank missed his flight because he doesnt understand how timezones work and Jake called PLL games on Peacock ( - ). F1 talk and who's back of the week including Olympic fever ( - ). Peyton Manning joins the show to talk about his induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, his career, his rookie year and more ( - ). We finish with the Mt Rushmore of Combinations

Peyton Manning on Hall of Fame Prep and Aaron Rodgers' Return

Big Cat is officially back from vacation and never wants to leave again. While he was gone, the sports world decided to lose its mind. The Cubs traded away their entire soul, Novak Djokovic had a meltdown for the ages, and most importantly, Aaron Rodgers decided to stop holding the sports world hostage and returned to the Green Bay Packers. Of course, the collateral damage was Blake Bortles getting cut, which really stung for everyone in the studio.

Void
Aug 2, 2021
#5329
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Aaron Rodgers is a diva for returning to the Packers and taking Blake Bortles' job

Aaron Rodgers decided that he was going to be a diva and take Blake Bortles' job. [Bortles] got cut, Aaron Rodgers un-retired. I know deep down I was like he's obviously gonna come back, but I also believed that maybe he would actually retire.

Rodgers did return to Green Bay and Bortles was indeed cut. The characterization of Rodgers as a 'diva' is subjective but widely debated.

Big Cat was particularly fired up about how the Packers handled the situation. He leaned into the idea that Green Bay might actually be the worst place for a player to end up, regardless of their history. He pointed out that Rodgers' press conference essentially served as a warning to every free agent in the league that the organization doesn't value its people.

Void
Aug 2, 2021
#5332
Big CatBig Cat

The Green Bay Packers are the least desirable team to play for in the NFL

The Green Bay Packers are a classless organization by cutting Blake Bortles. Probably least desirable team to play for in the NFL, according to Aaron Rodgers, not me, Aaron Rodgers. If you're a free agent listening to the show right now, Will Compton, don't you dare go to the Green Bay Packers because they will mistreat you.

Whether they are the 'least desirable' is a matter of opinion, but Rodgers' press conference did objectively highlight many of these internal issues.

This led to a broader discussion about how much power a superstar quarterback should actually have. Big Cat argued that if you have a generational talent, their happiness should be the primary objective of the front office, something the Packers missed entirely.

Void
Aug 2, 2021
#27249
Big CatBig Cat

Only 4 quarterbacks (Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Wilson) deserve to have their organization listen to their input

There's only a few guys [an organization should absolutely listen to]. It's pretty much Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and probably Russell Wilson. Those are the guys right now. One of your top checklists that you check off every day is, 'Is my generational talent quarterback—top five guy who wins us games and makes me look better than I am at my job—is that guy happy?' That should be one of your top things you check off every single day, and the Packers clearly haven't been doing that.

While Mahomes and Rodgers remained elite, Russell Wilson's move to Denver eventually undermined the idea that he was a 'generational talent' worth that level of control. Brady retired shortly after. It remains a subjective ranking of power dynamics.

PFT had a few theories on where this goes next. He isn't convinced this is a long-term reconciliation and suggested that Rodgers might be playing a much longer game to maximize the headache for the front office. PFT even floated a theory about Rodgers becoming a year-to-year mercenary once he finally escapes Wisconsin.

Loss
Aug 2, 2021
#5334
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Aaron Rodgers will become a year-to-year mercenary on one-year contracts after this season

I think this will be the last year for Aaron, because I think what he wants to do is he wants to do a sign-and-trade next year. He wants to go someplace for a one-year contract and then be a mercenary year-to-year, and then just go ring chasing all across maybe another four years after that playing for various teams.

Rodgers signed a massive 3-year extension with the Packers in March 2022 rather than taking year-to-year mercenary deals.

The Sheriff Rides Into Canton

Ahead of his induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Peyton Manning joined the show to discuss his legendary career and his obsessive preparation. He was surprisingly humble about his physical gifts, admitting that he knew he couldn't rely on raw athleticism or a cannon arm to win games.

Win
Aug 2, 2021
#5336
Peyton ManningPeyton Manning

I realized early that to get an edge I had to out-prepare everyone because I couldn't out-throw or out-run anyone

I came to the realization that I couldn't out-throw anybody. I couldn't throw it 85 yards down the field like a Brett Favre. I couldn't outrun anybody clearly. I realized that to get an edge, I had to try to out-prepare anybody. I told myself that I was [working harder]. The main people I was trying to outwork was our opponent. It gave me confidence to go full speed ahead.

Peyton Manning's legendary preparation is a well-documented fact in NFL history.

One of the funniest moments of the interview came when the guys asked about his infamous rookie season where he threw 28 interceptions. Instead of being defensive, Manning embraced the record and even offered some advice to the new crop of rookie quarterbacks like Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson. He believes the only way to actually get better is to stay on the field and take your lumps, even if it means throwing a few dozen picks along the way.

Push
Aug 2, 2021
#5337
Peyton ManningPeyton Manning

Rookie quarterbacks like Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson should start immediately and play all 16 games to learn

I'm a believer in putting those guys in right away, put [Zach] Wilson in, put [Trevor] Lawrence in and let them play. Let them see how fast these defenses are. They're going to figure it out a lot sooner. I would like to get that [28 interceptions] record off my resume, and if Trevor Lawrence wants to break that this year, I am for it. But you got to be a 16-game starter to do it.

Both Lawrence and Wilson did start immediately. Lawrence threw 17 INTs and Wilson threw 11 in 2021; neither broke Peyton's record of 28.

He also defended his "Manning face" and those infamous wobbly passes that somehow always found their target. According to the Sheriff, a tight spiral is mostly for show and might actually be easier for a defensive back to catch.

Void
Aug 2, 2021
#5338
Peyton ManningPeyton Manning

The quality of a spiral is overrated; wobbly touchdowns count just the same

Every one of my records is getting broken... but nobody's throwing more wobbly touchdowns than me. Okay. I mean, the spiral is overrated, right? As long as it gets there. And the good thing about the wobbly pass, a lot of dropped interceptions. Because these guys playing defense, a perfect spiral right in their hands they're going to catch, but a wobbly pass, there's a good chance they're going to drop it.

The value of a spiral versus a 'catchable' wobbly ball is a subjective debate in football coaching.

Olympic Fever and Mt. Rushmore

Outside of the Manning interview, the guys caught up on the Olympics. Big Cat was particularly impressed by Rowdy Gaines' energy in the swimming booth, while PFT was busy tracking the aerodynamic benefits of tattoos.

Loss
Aug 2, 2021·Who's Back
#27253
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Forearm tattoos make you faster

They also forearm tattoo on the guy that won the a hundred meter dash [Marcell Jacobs] this year. Forearm tattoos make you faster. Absolutely.

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There is no scientific evidence that ink on your forearms reduces wind resistance or increases leg turnover.

They also touched on the high jump controversy where two athletes decided to share the gold medal rather than go to a jump-off. Big Cat pointed out the irony of people calling Simone Biles a quitter while celebrating two guys who literally agreed to stop competing.

Void
Aug 2, 2021
#5339
Big CatBig Cat

High jumpers splitting a gold medal is the equivalent of quitting competition

The cutter and the Italian guy tied for high jump, and then they split the gold. I would do the same thing if given the opportunity to be like, 'Hey, you can quit now and get a gold medal.' That's the best of both worlds for me. But for the people who were like, 'Simone Biles is a quitter,' they should be mad about that. Because this is the most like—this is competition and you just tie. You must have consistency on this one.

This is a social/media critique, not a verifiable prediction.

The show wrapped up with a chaotic Mt. Rushmore of Combinations. After Billy tried to pander by picking Big Cat and PFT, the guys got into the weeds with everything from food pairings to legendary sports duos. Big Cat made sure to secure one of the most aesthetic combinations in the history of the gridiron.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

A 'thunder and lightning' backfield is the best thing in football

I'm going to go with thunder and lightning, but specifically in your backfield. Nothing better than that when you got the big bruiser between the tackles and then a scat back on the outside.

This is a matter of football preference and aesthetics.

Hank still doesn't understand how time zones work, but at least he made it back for the recording.

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More Takes

Void
Aug 2, 2021
#5331
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tennis is a lifestyle or a leisure, not a real sport

I would say that tennis is more of an event. Yeah. Tennis is a lifestyle. Not really a sport. If you pick up a sport after you retire, that's not a sport. The thing they always say like, 'Hey, take up golf and tennis because you can play it for your whole life.' Well, that's not a sport. It's a leisure.

This is a hyperbolic, subjective definition of 'sport' used for comedic effect.
Void
Aug 2, 2021
#27250
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

General managers extend their careers by drafting a quarterback and then blaming him for failures

There are two things that a general manager can do to extend his time. One is drafting a quarterback and the other is then placing all the blame on that quarterback that he drafts.

This is a social/professional observation about NFL management cycles that cannot be definitively proven but is frequently cited by fans.
Loss
Aug 2, 2021
#5333
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Aaron Rodgers will retire mid-season before a divisional game to maximize pain for the Packers

If he is actually a man that believes what he says, he's going to retire in the middle of the season before a game against the division rival to inflict maximum pain upon the Green Bay Packers. So Aaron, I would suggest maybe quitting before a game against the Bears, maybe the day of a game against the Bears.

Rodgers played the entire 2021 season and won MVP.
Win
Aug 2, 2021
#27251
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

College football conferences are completely made up and mean nothing

The conferences are just, they're not—they're made up, completely made up. So you can have SEC pride or you can have Big 12 pride, but at the end of the day, it really doesn't mean anything. Once [the leaders] get exposed for really just keeping things strung together with duct tape and string so that they can make a shitload of money, they don't really have any sort of a moral or legal recourse to anything.

Given the massive realignment that followed (Pac-12 dissolving, regionality dying), this take proved to be quite prescient regarding the priorities of college sports.
Void
Aug 2, 2021
#5335
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Mercedes' current F1 strategy is intentionally taking out Red Bull at every turn

Mercedes, essentially their strategy now is just take out Red Bull at all times, which is sick. And then yeah, Lewis Hamilton, Sir Lewis Hamilton is the goat.

This is a satirical take on the crash incidents in the 2021 season; there is no factual evidence it was a deliberate team strategy.
Void
Aug 2, 2021·Who's Back
#27252
Big CatBig Cat

Rowdy Gaines is the best announcer in all of sports

My 'Who's Back' is Rowdy Gaines, because we get reminded every four years: the best announcer in all sports is Rowdy Gaines for swimming. He's awesome. He's electric.

The quality of an announcer is inherently subjective.
Void
Aug 2, 2021·Who's Back
#27254
Big CatBig Cat

People rooting for Lollapalooza to be a super-spreader event are 'tremendous losers'

You gotta be a tremendous loser if you're just tweeting out, like, 'What's the new strain going to be looking at all these people at Lolla.' You're just basically saying you'll never have fun again in your life. You're rooting for bad things. 'I'm going to sit at home and everyone's going to go live their life and do awesome fun shit, and I'm just going to hope for them all to die so that I can be like told you so.' Fucking losers.

This is an moral/behavioral judgment on critics, which is subjective.

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