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Verne Lundquist, Kirk Goldsberry In Studio, Nuggets In Trouble And A Good Old Fashioned NBA/NFL Hypothetical

Wednesday, May 8, 202414 takes

The Nuggets are in deep deep waters with an awesome Wolves team (-). The Thunder are back to playing basketball and look awesome (-). Cocky Hank is in rare form and we talk Celtics bloodbath and the Knicks/Pacers end of game debacle (-). Igor Shesterkin saves 54 shots and we dive into our favorite dumb Hypothetical how many guys in the NFL could play in the NBA and vica versa (-). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Josh Hart's injury potentially making him incredible at threes and Scottie Scheffler's still pregnant wife (-). Verne Lundquist joins the show to talk about his Hall of Fame career, his favorite calls, the Kick 6, and being Mr Steal Your Girl (-). Kirk Goldsberry joins the show on the day his new book launches (go buy it on amazon) to talk NBA playoffs, Wolves Defense, the super young Thunder and how the Celtics should cake walk to the Finals (-). We finish the show with listener submitted Pardon Your Takes (-).

Verne Lundquist on a Legendary Career & Kirk Goldsberry on NBA Playoffs

The Denver Nuggets are officially in the danger zone. After dropping two straight at home to a Minnesota team that looks like it was grown in a lab specifically to dismantle Nikola Jokic, Big Cat and PFT are starting to wonder if the defending champs have any answers left. The Wolves are playing with a defensive intensity that has turned the MVP into a mortal.

Win
May 8, 2024
#424
Big CatBig Cat

The Denver Nuggets are in deep trouble against the Minnesota Timberwolves

The Denver Nuggets are in some deep, deep shit. I'm not ready to bury [Jokic] right now, but the Wolves feel like they have the Nuggets' number and it's intensity, defensive intensity. It feels like the Wolves are created to beat the Nuggets and that's what they're doing.

The Timberwolves ultimately defeated the Nuggets in 7 games.

It isn't just luck, either. Big Cat pointed out the poetic justice in Tim Connelly building the Nuggets only to head to Minnesota and construct their perfect kryptonite. The length, the speed, and the sheer volume of "dudes" the Wolves can throw at you has turned this series on its head.

Win
May 8, 2024
#25076
Big CatBig Cat

The Timberwolves were specifically built to beat the Denver Nuggets

It does, it's an interesting subplot because the guy who helped build the nuggets, Tim Connolly is the GM for the wolves. And it feels like the wolves are created to beat the nuggets and that's what they're doing.

The Wolves did beat the Nuggets in 7 games, validating the idea they were built to match up with them, even if they ultimately lost in the WCF.

While the West is a bloodbath, the East feels like a foregone conclusion. Cocky Hank has returned in full force after the Celtics dismantled the Cavs in Game 1. Hank isn't just predicting a win; he’s looking for total statistical annihilation, and so far, the math is on his side.

Loss
May 8, 2024
#425
HankHank

The Celtics will beat the Cavaliers by a cumulative triple-digit point differential in the series

[Hank] is on pace for his triple digits prediction bloodbath for point differential in this series. The Celtics won by 25... we're on pace. This should be a four-one if not 4-0.

The Celtics won the series 4-1 with a total point differential of +58 (120-95, 94-118, 106-93, 109-102, 113-98), failing to reach the triple-digit prediction.

Between the playoff talk, the guys revisited one of the most polarizing hypotheticals in sports: the NFL vs. NBA crossover. Austin Rivers started a fire by claiming 30 NBA guys could play in the NFL, but Big Cat isn't buying the volume. He’s willing to give the basketball players a slight edge in raw athleticism translation, but the skill gap going the other direction is a mountain too high to climb.

Void
May 8, 2024
#426
Big CatBig Cat

Zero NFL players could make an NBA roster tomorrow, while one or two NBA players could make the NFL

There's no way 30 guys from the NBA could make a roster in the NFL tomorrow. I think maybe one or two could make a roster... but there's zero guys on NFL roster right now who could play on an NBA roster. The height, the skill level with dribbling and shooting is on a completely different level.

This is a subjective hypothetical that can't be definitively proven without the crossover actually happening.

Pat Riley and the State of Heat Culture

Hot Seat/Cool Throne took a turn toward South Beach, where Pat Riley basically told Jimmy Butler to pipe down if he isn't on the court. With trade rumors swirling and the Heat bounced early, Hank thinks the legendary culture might be reaching a breaking point.

Void
HankHank

Miami Heat culture is in absolute shambles

Heat culture absolute shambles. Pat Riley did a press conference... asked about Jimmy Butler trolling when he wasn't playing and he said, if you're not on the court playing, you should keep your mouth shut.

While there was public tension, the team remained intact through the off-season, though the 'Culture' was publicly questioned.

On the brighter side of the Atlantic Division, Josh Hart has become a legitimate perimeter threat for the Knicks. But it wasn't a shooting coach that fixed him—it was a literal "click" in his wrist during a half-court heave that turned him into a sniper.

Win
Big CatBig Cat

A wrist injury has turned Josh Hart into a lethal three-point shooter

Josh Hart said when he took a half court heave to end the second quarter... he felt his wrist click and it almost clicked back into place. Said he went to Brunson at the half and told him 'I can shoot threes now.' It is basically the plot from Rookie of the Year... Josh Hart is now just a lethal three-point shooter because his wrist clicked.

Josh Hart's 3P% in the 2024 playoffs was 37.3%, significantly higher than his regular season 31% after the reported incident.

The Legend Verne Lundquist

In a truly special interview, the legendary Verne Lundquist joined the show to reflect on his final Masters and a career that defined sports for generations. Verne shared the behind-the-scenes magic of Tiger Woods’ chip on 16, including the split-second decision by the technical director to stay on the ball rather than cutting to a reaction shot. He also embraced his "Mr. Steal Your Girl" reputation, retelling the story of how he met his wife Nancy by swooping in on a Coors distributor's blind date. It was a masterclass in storytelling from a man who has seen it all, from the Kick Six to Happy Gilmore.

Kirk Goldsberry’s Hoop Atlas

Kirk Goldsberry stopped by the studio to discuss his new book and the "E-League" status of the current Eastern Conference. Kirk is fully bought into the Minnesota hype, comparing their defensive suffocating style to a legendary NFL unit.

Push
May 8, 2024
#429
Kirk GoldsberryKirk Goldsberry

The current Minnesota Timberwolves are the NBA version of the 2000 Baltimore Ravens

This is the 2000 Ravens through these first six [games]... they're maniacal. They're grinning ear to ear as they're playing defense. Minnesota is emerging as the favorite to win this tournament by being the best defense we've seen in years.

The Wolves had the #1 defensive rating in the playoffs until they were eliminated in the Western Conference Finals.

He also highlighted Anthony Edwards as the savior for fans who are tired of international players sweeping the MVP awards. According to Kirk, Ant Man is the American superstar the league has been waiting for.

Void
May 8, 2024
#430
Kirk GoldsberryKirk Goldsberry

Anthony Edwards is the hero that American basketball needs

He's the hero that American basketball needs. I was saying that you can really chart out with Jokic, Doncic, SGA, Giannis... a path to 2030 where we go a full decade without an [American] MVP. Anthony Edwards these last two weeks has had something to say to that.

Edwards finished 7th in MVP voting in 2024 and is widely considered the rising American face of the league.

As the Thunder prepare for their own deep run, Kirk warned that playing in Oklahoma City is a nightmare for opponents. The atmosphere has shifted from a standard pro arena to something much more intimidating and loud.

Void
May 8, 2024
#25077
Kirk GoldsberryKirk Goldsberry

Oklahoma City is one of the toughest places to play in the NBA because it feels like a college gym

I'll give the edge to the thunder just 'cause they have home court and that's a really tough place to play... it feels like a college basketball gym. In all seriousness it's like wow this is a really loud environment.

While subjective, the Thunder did have a strong home record, though they eventually lost the series to Dallas.

PFT, ever the strategist, suggested that the Celtics might actually be better off losing a few games just to prove they can handle a punch before reaching the Finals.

Loss
May 8, 2024
#431
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Celtics should intentionally lose two games to the Cavaliers to get battle-tested for the finals

I stand by my take. I still think they should intentionally lose some games to the Cavs... I think two. That way when they get to the Finals they're like, yeah, we've had our battles.

The Celtics did lose one game to the Cavs but won the series easily and eventually the championship, suggesting they didn't need the 'battle testing.'

Pardon Your Take

The show closed with some listener-submitted takes that covered everything from Super Bowl equipment choices to 9/11 conspiracies in the SEC. Hank is still convinced that a simple wardrobe change for the Eagles could have altered the course of history.

Void
HankHank

If James Bradberry had worn white gloves in the Super Bowl, the Eagles would have won

I'm convinced if James Bradberry was wearing white gloves in the Eagles last Super Bowl, that call is never made and the Eagles are Super Bowl champs.

This is a pure hypothetical that can never be proven, though many fans agree that the visual of the grab was enhanced by the glove contrast.

Big Cat also found a way to bridge the gap between his new franchise QB and the greatest shooter in NBA history. If Caleb Williams is even half as fun to watch as Steph, Chicago might finally have something.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

Watching Caleb Williams throw a football is like watching Steph Curry play basketball

Albert Breer just put out an entire piece about Caleb Williams... checked all the boxes. Called him a Steph Curry-like experience watching him throw the football. It means Steph Curry's awesome to watch play basketball, so it's like that in football.

Comparing watching Caleb Williams throw to watching Steph Curry play basketball is a subjective aesthetic comparison, not a verifiable prediction.

Whether it's the Gators being robbed of a title in 2001 or golfers being unable to aim, this episode reminds us that sports are mostly just a series of "what ifs" and guys being dudes.

Make sure to buy Kirk's book and never, ever touch a grounded bat.

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More Takes

Void
HankHank

The Florida Gators would have won the 2001 National Championship if not for the 9/11 schedule changes

Florida would've won the football national championship in 2001 had nine 11 not happened and the Tennessee game got rescheduled.

A historical hypothetical. Miami was incredibly dominant that year, so it's a bold claim to say Florida would have definitely won.
Loss
Big CatBig Cat

Professional golfers should never miss a putt from 10 feet or closer

Golfers should be better at putting. That's something like if you're a professional golfer, you should just never miss a putt anything 10 feet and in. I wouldn't miss it if I were a professional golfer.

Hot TakeGolfScorchingSarcastic
Statistically, even the best putters in history miss significantly from 10 feet. It is physically and statistically incorrect.

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