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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Skip Bayless is right that Bill Belichick is only a very good coach, not a great one, because he hasn't won without a quarterback

Kings stay kings. He said, I don't think he's a great coach. I think he's a very good one... Bill Belichick has not won a Super Bowl without a quarterback. Not that good. He's good. He's great. He's very good, but he's not great. Right. Exactly.

Belichick is widely considered the greatest coach ever; PFT is parodying the illogical arguments used to diminish him.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The bench press is the only true measure of an alpha male and a quarterback's locker room command

Mitch Trubisky... he's not benching. I would bench so hard if I was that. That would be the only thing I would train for. That's really the only thing that you can measure man to man is the bench press. Who's the bigger man? How much can you bench? Alpha dog shit. Right, and you're looking for a quarterback? You want a guy that commands the locker room, a guy that benches more than everybody.

Hot TakeFootballHotSarcastic
Bench press has almost no correlation with successful quarterbacking in the NFL.
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Take Slip·Feb 22, 2017
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Mike SingletaryMike Singletary

Bear Weather is a myth and is not worth a single point

Bear weather is not worth one point... Sabermetrics. It is not worth one point... How in the world is the cold weather or anything else going to be worth any points? Americans have to stand in the same weather.

This is subjective, though many believe home-field advantage in cold weather is real.
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Take Slip·Feb 22, 2017
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Mike SingletaryMike Singletary

Jay Cutler and Matt Barkley are not franchise quarterbacks

Headline grab. Jay Cutler, not a franchise quarterback... Actually, no, I think you're actually talking about Matt Barkley, not a franchise quarterback. Breaking news.

Cutler was released shortly after and Barkley never became a long-term starter.
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Take Slip·Feb 22, 2017
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Lance BriggsLance Briggs

Bear Weather is real and dome teams struggle to play in it

I disagree with [Singletary]. Now, when you say bear weather, when I think bear weather, I think, you know, one, two, zero degrees, wind chill... January, you get a team like the Atlanta Falcons... typically a dome team... It comes out there, and you can tell in a warm-up set. The wind's coming off the lake, and it just feels good.

Subjective opinion on home field advantage.
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Take Slip·Feb 22, 2017
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Lance BriggsLance Briggs

Marc Trestman was the worst Bears coach of all time

Mark Trestman was the worst of all time, and I'm still pissed at him. [Briggs]: I do not deny.

Trestman's tenure is statistically and culturally considered one of the worst in franchise history.
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Take Slip·Feb 20, 2017
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Trey WingoTrey Wingo

Peyton Manning's success with multiple coaches gives him a valid argument over Tom Brady

Brady has had the luxury of being with, and I think this is not debatable, the greatest coach in the history of football... I know what Peyton Manning is away from the Colts or Tony Dungy. He's been to a Super Bowl with four different head coaches. He's won a Super Bowl with two different head coaches.

This is a subjective historical debate, though Brady later winning a Super Bowl with the Buccaneers (a second coach/system) largely neutralized this specific argument.
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Take Slip·Feb 20, 2017
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Trey WingoTrey Wingo

Flacco had the greatest playoff run I've ever seen on the way to Super Bowl 47, and his hair is elite

His hair is elite. Not as elite as yours, but his hair is elite. [Joe Flacco] had the greatest run I've ever seen on the way to Super Bowl 47.

Flacco's 2012 playoff run (11 TDs, 0 INTs, 117.2 passer rating) is genuinely regarded as one of the best ever. 'Greatest ever' is subjective but defensible.
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Take Slip·Feb 20, 2017
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Trey WingoTrey Wingo

Wins and losses should not be considered a quarterback stat

I don't think wins and losses are a quarterback stat. I don't believe in that... Teams win games. Teams win championships. It's not Tom [Brady]. It's not Malcolm [Butler]. The Patriots won that game.

This is an ongoing philosophical debate in sports analytics and media.
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Big CatBig Cat

Tony Romo will be the quarterback for the Houston Texans next season

I'm going to say right now I think [Tony Romo] is going to the Texans.

Tony Romo retired from football in April 2017 to join the CBS broadcast booth, never playing for the Texans.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tony Romo will join the Denver Broncos

I'm going to go with the Broncos.

Romo retired and did not sign with any team.
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HankHank

Tony Romo will sign with the Los Angeles Rams

I think he's going to the Los Angeles Rams. Sleeper.

Romo retired and did not sign with the Rams.
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Take Slip·Feb 17, 2017
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Ice CubeIce Cube

The NFL should build stadiums for teams so they don't have to move

They should stay. The NFL should build them a stadium. I mean, damn, the NFL making all this money, man. Build your teams a stadium so they don't have to move. Try that. They're making billions and they want taxpayers to pay for it.

This is a policy/business opinion regarding how professional sports should operate.
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Take Slip·Feb 17, 2017
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Ice CubeIce Cube

The Chargers and Clippers are garbage and Los Angeles doesn't want them

San Diego, keep your teams, man. Keep your garbage. First you sent us the Clippers. Now we got the Chargers. You know what I mean? It sucks, man. Who want them?

The sentiment regarding the Chargers' lack of home-field advantage in L.A. has been widely documented since their move.
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Take Slip·Feb 15, 2017·Media
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Big CatBig Cat

Paul Tagliabue is the smartest person in the world for making Roger Goodell his concussion scapegoat

Paul Tagliabue basically said, I've known about concussions forever, but I kind of don't want to be asked about this anymore. So here, Roger Goodell, you look stupid enough to take this job and have everyone come at you and hate you. And that's exactly what happened. So he's actually the smartest person in the world.

While Tagliabue did face criticism for his handling of concussions, Roger Goodell became the public face of the league's struggle with the issue. The 'smartest person' claim is subjective but has a logical basis in the perception of Goodell's role.
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Take Slip·Feb 13, 2017
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Mike GolicMike Golic

The NFL is still king and ratings aren't in real trouble despite the 2016 dip

I don't think the league's in trouble at all. I don't. I mean, it's still king. Even though when their ratings were down, any other sport would still take the ratings. And I think one of the things you look at is it was also an election year that hurts ratings. I think after the election was over, some of the ratings started to go back up.

NFL ratings rebounded significantly and the league continues to dominate the American media landscape.
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Take Slip·Feb 13, 2017
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Mike GolicMike Golic

The Houston Texans are definitely not better off without J.J. Watt

How could you be better without [J.J. Watt]? You know, no matter what people think about him off the field, on the field, he's a pretty darn good player. Now you put him with Mercilus and Clowney, it'll be interesting what happens. So to say the Texans would be better with him off the football field, I don't think is—that's just [the PMT] hot take.

Watt proved his value with an All-Pro season in 2018 after returning from injury, though the Texans' overall success was inconsistent.
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Take Slip·Feb 10, 2017
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Chris LongChris Long

Bill Belichick is the greatest coach of all time

I do think he's the greatest coach of all time. And, you know, any curve ball you get on Super Bowl Sunday, you might think it's, the hill's too steep, but, you know, guys were just conditioned to be able to go out there, hit the curve ball, keep rolling.

While subjective, Belichick is widely considered the greatest or one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.
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Take Slip·Feb 10, 2017
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Chris LongChris Long

Chris Long is not retiring after his first Super Bowl win

I'm not retiring, but I don't know what I'm doing. ... If I retire, you probably won't even know. ... Breaking news. I'm not retiring.

Chris Long went on to play two more seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles, winning another Super Bowl, before retiring in 2019.
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Take Slip·Feb 10, 2017
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NFL's concussion rate dropped because Peyton Manning retired

It's funny how the NFL, they dropped their concussion numbers after Peyton Manning left the league. Peyton Manning, he who would always lead Austin Collie and Tony Gonzalez into traffic, and Wes Welker. He was single-handedly jacking up the league's concussion rate.

Fact ClaimFootballHotSarcastic
While Manning's style did lead to high-impact hits for his receivers, attributing the entire league's statistical drop to one player's retirement is satirical exaggeration.
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Big CatBig Cat

The CFL is the perfect place for Johnny Manziel to start a comeback

Johnny Manziel is back. He has reportedly had a tryout with the CFL, which the CFL is exactly where Johnny Manziel needs to start his comeback.

Manziel did eventually play in the CFL for the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and Montreal Alouettes in 2018, though his comeback was ultimately unsuccessful.
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Take Slip·Feb 8, 2017
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HankHank

The Falcons choked the Super Bowl away to the Patriots

I think the Falcons choked it away pretty hard. I didn't realize how bad the choke was until I saw the Patriots should have lost in four different wins.

The Falcons leading 28-3 in the third quarter and losing is statistically the greatest collapse in NFL history.
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Take Slip·Feb 8, 2017
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Big CatBig Cat

Tom Brady will win one more Super Bowl to finish with six

I think that Brady's going to win one more Super Bowl. I think we'll get two. I think he'll win six.

Brady went on to win two more Super Bowls (LIII with the Patriots and LV with the Buccaneers) for a total of seven.
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Take Slip·Feb 8, 2017
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HankHank

Tom Brady will win two more Super Bowls to finish with seven

I think he'll get two [more]. I think he'll win six—actually, I think he'll win seven.

Brady did indeed win two more Super Bowls after the 2016 season (LIII and LV).
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Take Slip·Feb 8, 2017
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Big CatBig Cat

The Bears are going to be good next year because John Fox has been preparing since Week 3

John Fox has actually been able to prepare since week three. Yeah. So the Bears are going to be looking good.

The Bears went 5-11 in 2017 and John Fox was fired at the end of the season.
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Take Slip·Feb 8, 2017·Hmm
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tom Brady lied about his health all season despite being on the injury report

I just couldn't help but notice that Tom Brady appeared on the injury report a lot this year. And he just said, I never hurt. My arm never hurt. My body never hurt. But he was on the injury report every week.

The Patriots were notorious for listing Brady on the injury report for minor things (like a right shoulder) for years to obfuscate his actual status.
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Take Slip·Feb 6, 2017
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Big CatBig Cat

The Falcons lost Super Bowl 51 more than the Patriots won it

Did the Patriots win this game or did the Falcons lose it? Ooh, I think they lost it. I think the Falcons lost it. All they had to do, there was two key points in the game... If you just run the ball straight up the middle, don't even gain a yard... now it's a two-score game with four minutes left. That's a lot harder for the Patriots to come back on that.

The Falcons' failure to run the ball while in field goal range up 28-20 is widely cited as the primary reason for their loss.
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Take Slip·Feb 6, 2017
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Big CatBig Cat

James White should have been the Super Bowl 51 MVP over Tom Brady

James White had a great game. Getting in on the fun. He should have been MVP. He had three touchdowns. He was all over the field. They had no answer for him. Tom Brady did the old Brett Favre. It was a participation trophy for Tom Brady. It was a lifetime achievement award.

Tom Brady was officially named MVP. While White had a historic game, Brady threw for a then-record 466 yards in the greatest comeback ever, making his win justifiable even if White was a strong candidate.
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Take Slip·Feb 6, 2017
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Big CatBig Cat

Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time

That's why he's the greatest quarterback of all time. No, we can say he is the greatest quarterback of all time.

Brady is widely considered the GOAT after winning his 5th ring here, and eventually a 6th and 7th.
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Take Slip·Feb 6, 2017
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Big CatBig Cat

Kyle Shanahan was too focused on his new head coaching job with the 49ers during the Super Bowl

Kyle Shanahan, was he too focused on his new job? Absolutely. Yes. His mind was on West Coast time. No doubt.

While subjective, this became a major talking point in the aftermath of the 28-3 collapse.
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Big CatBig Cat

Roger Goodell is back after taking his medicine from Patriots fans

The boos that were rained down on Roger Goodell... He stood up there. He overdosed on his medicine. I think he's back. I think it's now fair's fair.

Goodell continued to be a lightning rod for controversy, but the specific Deflategate tension peaked at this trophy presentation.
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Take Slip·Feb 6, 2017
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Jim RomeJim Rome

David Stern was a worse commissioner than Roger Goodell

Which commissioner do you think has done a worse job, Roger Goodell or David Stern when he got into that beef with you? Yeah, that's going to be a tough call, David Stern. Yeah. Stern was not happy with me that day... If you're asking me which one's worse, it's Stern.

This is an inherently subjective comparison of two highly successful but controversial commissioners.
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Take Slip·Feb 6, 2017
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Jim RomeJim Rome

Every game in sports history is fixed

My take is, I don't know for certain, which is why I asked the question. Everything in the history of the world is fixed. Every game is fixed. Everything is fixed.

There is no evidence that all sports games are fixed.
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Big CatBig Cat

Terrell Owens not being in the Hall of Fame is the biggest joke of all time

But seriously, T.O. not being in the Hall of Fame is probably the biggest joke of all time. What is he, second most in reception yards?

TO was eventually inducted in 2018, acknowledging his statistical greatness.
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Big CatBig Cat

The Atlanta Falcons might not actually be good

Are the falcons good? I don't know... they had some bad losses. They lost the chiefs, the chargers too, right?... The Falcons might not be good. Actually, if you look at the first half of the Super Bowl, they were good. Second half, not so good. You know what I'm doing? I'm crossing them off my list.

The Falcons went 10-6 in 2017 and won a playoff game, proving they were still 'good' even if they regressed.
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Big CatBig Cat

Mark Wahlberg leaving the Super Bowl early was a bad move

Marky Mark, Miami Heat fan slash New England Patriot fan. Left in, what, like 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter? Yeah, he left really early... how about you respect your favorite player, I assume, Tom Brady, and his ability to come back in a game. That's a bad look... that was a fucked up move for you to leave.

Wahlberg was widely mocked for leaving early. He later claimed he left because his son was feeling sick.
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Take Slip·Feb 3, 2017
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Big CatBig Cat

The Falcons take some luster off the Super Bowl because they haven't won anything yet

It feels, maybe it's the Falcons, and the Falcons forever will be kind of a fake team, and I don't mean that, no offense to Falcons fans, but that's just, they have to win something, right? No, but they have to win something to be, that's just how it works, right? So the Falcons definitely take a little luster off the Super Bowl.

This is a subjective opinion on the 'feel' of the game.
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Take Slip·Feb 3, 2017
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Grape Gatorade is the best value bet for the Super Bowl Gatorade bath

What color will the Gatorade be? I love this bet. When they pour it on the coach. Grape. Go grape. It's always tremendous value. It's a big underdog. But we're in Houston. Purple drink. Capital of the world. Grape Gatorade.

The Gatorade color for Super Bowl LI was 'Clear/Water'.
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Take Slip·Feb 3, 2017
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Big CatBig Cat

Tom Brady will complain his way into a roughing the passer penalty in the Super Bowl

Will there be a roughing the passer penalty? Yes is plus 120. Oh, I like that. Tom Brady will cry his way to one at least. Yeah, if you breathe on him, right?

There were zero roughing the passer penalties in Super Bowl LI.
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Take Slip·Feb 3, 2017
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Scott ZolakScott Zolak

Ernie Adams is the secret genius behind Bill Belichick's success

I think Ernie Adams made Bill Belichick. That's an interesting thing to talk about because people don't know what Ernie Adams does. ... Ernie's a football Rain Man. When you go to Vegas, you're going to take Rain Man here to count cards. Ernie Adams is Bill Belichick's card counter. ... The Malcolm Butler play. They went over us and over us. Ernie drew up that Pete Carroll offensive red zone pass play just in case it came to a play on the one-yard line. ... Ernie Adams made that happen.

While widely accepted by Patriots insiders that Adams had a massive influence, Belichick's overall success can't be attributed to one person, but the Butler play claim is supported by Patriots documentaries.
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Take Slip·Feb 3, 2017
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Scott ZolakScott Zolak

Tom Brady will play three more years, likely until he is 45 or 46

How many more years do you think Tom Brady plays? Three. His dad, Tom Sr. and Tom, I think it's 45, 46, realistically. I don't know how long that body can end up.

Brady played exactly until age 45, retiring after the 2022 season (briefly retiring/unretiring). Zolak nailed the age precisely.
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Take Slip·Feb 3, 2017
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Scott ZolakScott Zolak

Super Bowl LI Prediction: Patriots 33, Falcons 24

Give us a Super Bowl prediction. 33-24 pass. Sorry, Atlanta.

The final score was Patriots 34, Falcons 28. Zolak was very close on the Patriots' total and picked the correct winner.
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Take Slip·Feb 3, 2017
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Mike VrabelMike Vrabel

The Super Bowl is played at a speed so fast it's hard to even remember individual plays

It is so fast that I could probably tell you in 14 years, I could tell you every game that I played in from a rookie to a third-year player... and I can barely recall plays from the Super Bowl. It's that fast. It's wait, wait, wait. ... and then all of a sudden, you're on the field, and it's like the final drive.

This is a first-hand account of a player's experience, which is subjective but authentic.
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Take Slip·Feb 3, 2017
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Mike VrabelMike Vrabel

Tom Brady is a 'medical science miracle'

And Tom Brady's playing. He's 39. 39, right? And he's getting better. A medical science miracle.

Brady's longevity and peak performance into his 40s is widely documented.
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All Business PeteAll Business Pete

NFL security is on the hot seat for letting PFT Commenter sneak into Media Night

Hot seat is is NFL security. The I mean, the all of the bands, the pronouncements that NFL makes and and PFT just waltzes right right in.

PFT Commenter successfully snuck into Super Bowl Opening Night despite a ban, proving security failure in this specific instance.
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Big CatBig Cat

Michael Vick's legacy is secure as one of the best quarterbacks ever

I'm just going to throw it out there. I think Michael Vick's legacy is secure. He's one of the best quarterbacks ever.

Vick's legacy remains a debate between his revolutionary play-style and his criminal history, but he is widely regarded as a transformational figure in NFL history.
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Take Slip·Feb 1, 2017
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Doug FlutieDoug Flutie

The Patriots will win Super Bowl LI in a high-scoring game

A high-scoring Super Bowl and the Patriots win a close game in the 30s. Take the over.

The Patriots defeated the Falcons 34-28. The game was high-scoring (62 total points, hitting the over) and the Patriots scored in the 30s as predicted.
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Take Slip·Feb 1, 2017
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John ClaytonJohn Clayton

Aaron Rodgers will eventually jump to the 4th or 5th best quarterback ever

I actually, well, a year ago, I put Aaron Rodgers as number 10 right above Bart Starr. And so I have him as number 10. But Rodgers is 10 right now, and I think he's probably going to jump up to, like, 5 or 4.

Rodgers won two more MVPs after this take (2020, 2021), further cementing his top-tier status, though consensus rankings vary widely between 3 and 7.
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Take Slip·Feb 1, 2017
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John ClaytonJohn Clayton

The Redskins will use the franchise tag on Kirk Cousins again this offseason

Kirk Cousins. He's not going to make it right now. Is he going to get paid over $100 million by the Redskins this offseason? No. He'll get the franchise tag. Again? 23-8, yeah.

The Redskins placed the exclusive franchise tag on Kirk Cousins on February 28, 2017.
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Take Slip·Feb 1, 2017
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John ClaytonJohn Clayton

Kirk Cousins is comparable to Andy Dalton and Alex Smith as a quarterback

I think you'd have to have a good running game. I mean, you kind of look at Kurt as kind of, well, I mean, He and Andy Dalton, I think, are very similar. And you put him probably in the same vein as Alex Smith.

This has largely been the consensus on Cousins' career; highly productive but often viewed as just below the 'elite' winning tier.
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