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Gary Payton + JR Smith's Ultimate Fuck Up

Friday, June 1, 201821 takes

JR Smith cost the Cavs a victory in a stunning Game 1 of the NBA Finals. Lebron was dominant, Draymond tried to fight everyone, and Javale McGee gave a perfect 4 minutes of basketball ( - ). Cleaning up the remnants of the Bryan Colangelo burner account mess ( - ). The Caps won Game 2 and are looking strong going into Saturday night's Game 3 in Washington ( - ). NBA Hall of Famer Gary Payton joins the show to talk about coaching in the Big 3, his best trash talking moments, why he thinks John Stockton is the GOAT, and some trash talking with the guys ( - ). Segments include Take Quake for Colin Cowherd suggesting Lebron might retire after this year, Bad Sports Town the Warriors didn't sell out Game 1, Kickers Psychiatrist's couch for Yu Darvish, Are the Patriots fun to play for Update, Thoughts and Prayers to Hue Jackson, and explain it to hank.

Gary Payton on Trash Talking, The Glove's GOAT, and NBA Finals Drama

The highest man in America made the highest play of all time, and J.R. Smith has officially broken the NBA Finals. Big Cat and PFT are still trying to process how a professional basketball player forgot the score in a tie game with five seconds left. LeBron James put up 51 points in an all-time performance, but it was all undone by J.R. dribbling out the clock like he was trying to kill time in a game they were already winning.

Loss
Jun 1, 2018
#1907
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Cavaliers lost Game 1; the Warriors did not win it

I would say that the Cavaliers lost this game. The Warriors did not win it. So it's still 0-0.

The Warriors officially won the game and the series 4-0.

PFT is convinced the only reason Kendrick Perkins is even on the roster is for this exact scenario: to serve as LeBron's personal hitman.

Loss
Jun 1, 2018
#1906
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

LeBron James insisted on Kendrick Perkins being on the Cavs specifically to kill J.R. Smith if he made a mistake

The reason why LeBron insisted on getting Kendrick Perkins on his squad was just for this type of situation. I fully expect Kendrick Perkins to kill J.R. Smith.

Kendrick Perkins did not kill J.R. Smith.

While the Warriors technically took the lead in the series, it didn't feel like a win for anyone except the chaos-lovers. Big Cat is already calling the series over because there's simply no emotional recovery from a blunder that catastrophic.

Win
Jun 1, 2018
#1912
Big CatBig Cat

The Cavs are going to get swept after J.R. Smith's Game 1 mistake

There's no recovery from that [J.R. Smith play]. None whatsoever. They're going to get swept.

The Golden State Warriors swept the Cleveland Cavaliers 4-0.

The Glove Drops the Hammer

NBA Hall of Famer Gary Payton joined the show to discuss coaching in the Big 3 and his legendary career. Known as one of the greatest trash talkers to ever lace them up, "The Glove" didn't disappoint. He broke down why he thinks the 1996 Sonics were just as formidable as the 72-win Bulls and why the modern game is a bit too friendly for his liking.

Void
Jun 1, 2018
#1918
Gary PaytonGary Payton

The 1996 Sonics were just as good as the 72-win Bulls

I don't think they [1996 Bulls] were the best team of all time. We was pretty damn good our goddamn self. ... I mean, we had won, what, they won 72, we won 64? ... I think that Sonics team, we won zero plus five years in a row yeah five years in a row.

The Bulls beat the Sonics 4-2 in the Finals and have the better record, but this is a competitive opinion.

When asked about the toughest player he ever had to guard, Payton didn't go with MJ or Kobe. Instead, he gave the nod to John Stockton, citing the Jazz legend's efficiency and refusal to engage in the trash-talking games that Payton used to dismantle other point guards.

Void
Jun 1, 2018
#1917
Gary PaytonGary Payton

John Stockton is the GOAT because he affected every part of the game more efficiently than MJ or LeBron

A guy got the ball 90% of the time and he's very effective... you look up on a scoreboard, and he has 20-something points, 15 assists, four steals, and six rebounds... That's a hell of a game. And you only play 32 minutes... you can't take none of the 34 minutes off against him because he's going to be so effective.

GOAT debates are inherently subjective.

Payton also shared his thoughts on the current state of the league, specifically calling out the way referees protect high-volume scorers like James Harden.

Void
Jun 1, 2018
#29100
Gary PaytonGary Payton

The modern NBA is soft because referees bail out scorers like James Harden with constant fouls

Basketball has changed. It's not like when we played. We were more physical. We could put our hands on guys. All the jumping into everybody and all the fouls going towards the offensive player, that wasn't happening in our era... Nowadays in this era... letting [scorers] go underneath your arm and letting [them] get the threes when he jump up and you're trying to guard him and the referees bail him out.

This is a widespread opinion among former players and many fans regarding the shift in officiating focus.

Before letting him go, Big Cat tried to corner Payton about ducking a 2-on-1 basketball game against the PMT crew years ago. It nearly devolved into a real-time scrap as Big Cat claimed he could take the Hall of Famer in the low post.

Loss
Jun 1, 2018
#1923
Big CatBig Cat

I would have trash-talked Gary Payton off the court if he hadn't faked an injury in 2014

Are you scared that I would have trash talked you off the court? ... I mean, that was someone was covering for your ass because your ass didn't want a piece of me.

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Big Cat would almost certainly not be able to trash talk Gary Payton off a court.

Caps Are A Wagon and Take Quakes

Transitioning to the ice, PFT is officially declaring the Washington Capitals a team of destiny. After a massive Game 2 win, the energy heading back to D.C. is at an all-time high. Even with Kuznetsov's status up in the air, the Capitals look like they are finally ready to exorcise their playoff demons.

Win
Jun 1, 2018
#1914
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Washington Capitals are a team of destiny

We're going to talk about how the Washington Capitals, our Washington Capitals, are a team of destiny? Yes. ... Cap's got this. They're just stronger. Stronger, faster?

The Washington Capitals won the 2018 Stanley Cup.

In a special NBA Finals edition of Take Quake, the guys reacted to Colin Cowherd's suggestion that LeBron might take a year off if things get ugly. Big Cat decided to double down, putting his own stamp on a potential LeBron sabbatical.

Loss
Jun 1, 2018·Take Quake
#1926
Big CatBig Cat

I am predicting that if the NBA Finals go poorly, LeBron James will take a year off from the NBA

Today is June 1st, 2018. Stamp it. I am predicting that if LeBron James, if the finals don't go exactly how he wants them to go in his head, in his head only, LeBron James is going to take a year off.

The Cavs lost the Finals, but LeBron did not take a year off; he signed with the Los Angeles Lakers in July 2018.

We also checked in on the Hot Seat, where Yu Darvish is apparently feeling the heat from Chicago's Twitter accounts. Big Cat isn't happy with Darvish's "friend" for airing out the pitcher's dirty laundry regarding his social media sensitivity.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

Chris Jimenez is a terrible friend for publicly revealing that Yu Darvish is sad about Twitter hate

How terrible, though, is it for your friend to go on record and be like, hey, every time you go on Twitter and hate on Yu Darvish, he reads it and he despises it and gets him really sad. Yeah, that's basically the worst thing he could do. I know he was trying to be a good friend. Terrible friend. Very bad friend.

This is an opinion on social etiquette and loyalty.

To wrap things up, the guys discussed Hue Jackson finally jumping into Lake Erie. While he's technically fulfilling his promise, Big Cat isn't impressed by the timing. Waiting until June to jump into a Great Lake is a classic move for a coach who can't even find a win in the regular season.

Win
Big CatBig Cat

Hue Jackson jumping in Lake Erie on June 1st is a total cop-out

He waited until June 1st? Kind of a cop-out. That's the biggest cop-out I've ever fucking heard. ... You can't wait until June 1st to jump in a lake.

Hue Jackson did jump in on June 1st, 2018, when the water was significantly warmer than during the season.

If you see a man in a full suit jumping into a lake in June, just know he’s probably trying to distract you from a 0-16 record.

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Loss
Jun 1, 2018
#1909
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Steve Kerr can't coach dunking because he's never touched a rim in his life

Have you noticed that the Warriors are the worst team in the NBA at dunking? ... I think it's because Steve Kerr's ever touched a rim in his life. So he can't coach dunking. That's the one part that he can't teach the guys about.

Steve Kerr was a professional basketball player; it's highly likely he could touch a rim, and coaching dunking isn't really a thing.
Void
Jun 1, 2018
#29097
Big CatBig Cat

If you don't appreciate LeBron James' greatness while watching him, you aren't a sports fan

LeBron, at this point, you can hate him... but if you're sitting and watching LeBron and not being like, this is incredible, everything he does, then you're not a sports fan. Even his teammates do it.

This is an inherently subjective opinion about what qualifies someone as a 'sports fan.'
Win
Jun 1, 2018
#29098
Big CatBig Cat

The 76ers must fire Bryan Colangelo after the burner account scandal

So what happens with Bryan Colangelo? He's got to get fired. You got to fire him. You got to fire him. You got to fire him.

Bryan Colangelo resigned/was fired on June 7, 2018, just days after this episode aired.
Loss
Jun 1, 2018
#1920
Gary PaytonGary Payton

Seattle will get an NBA team back by 2020 or 2021

I think so. I think it's like 2021 or 2020 is going to happen. I know we've just got to prove for our arena to get done. We've got a hockey team coming in there. That's all what the NBA wants.

Seattle did not have an NBA team by 2021 (the Kraken hockey team arrived, but no NBA expansion yet).
Void
Jun 1, 2018
#29099
Gary PaytonGary Payton

The 2004 Lakers were lucky to even make it to the NBA Finals

We were even lucky to get into the championships... Shaq didn't play 50-some games. Kobe didn't play 40-some games. And [Malone] 62. So it was a situation where we were even lucky to get into the championships... we just so happened, got everything together and we lucked up and got into the championship.

A veteran's perspective on a historical team's internal health and luck is subjective but highly credible.
Void
Jun 1, 2018
#1922
Gary PaytonGary Payton

Dikembe Mutombo has the worst feet in NBA history

You know, I used to watch his [Shaq's] feet a lot. ... have you seen the Dikembe Mutombo feet? That's the worst.

Feet quality is subjective, though Mutombo's are famously large/worn.
Void
Jun 1, 2018
#29101
Gary PaytonGary Payton

Draymond Green is the best trash-talker in the NBA today

Draymond is probably the one that can do it the best... Draymond was like me, but he takes it far. And some of the referees would have kicked him out a lot, and he would have had a lot of texts like me.

Trash-talking prowess is subjective, but Draymond is widely considered the league's top irritant and talker.
Win
Jun 1, 2018
#1930
Big CatBig Cat

Yu Darvish reading hate on Twitter is making him sad and affecting his play

Yu Darvish is sad because he thinks that all of the Cubs fans and all of Chicago hates him because he's been on the DL twice and it's just now June 1st. And he also reads everything on Twitter and doesn't like getting the hate.

Darvish's sensitivity to social media and struggles in 2018 were widely documented by Chicago media.
Void
Jun 1, 2018
#29102
Big CatBig Cat

Nick Saban needs to relax and stop trying to expand the SEC schedule

Nick Saban said that he wants to expand the SEC schedule so that you can play nine SEC teams, which is just... Nick, just relax, man. Just chill out. Just fucking chill out. You beat the fuck out of everyone already. Just relax.

The SEC did eventually move to a nine-game schedule following the addition of Texas and Oklahoma, though Saban had retired by then.
Void
HankHank

Automatic tip screens are intimidating and the minimum amounts are getting too high

When you go to pay for something, the people, when you swipe your card, the tip screen automatically comes up. It's intimidating... it's too much. The lowest amount is too much. If you get a sandwich and they show you it, you've got to tip $3 for a sandwich. That's too much.

This is a subjective take on social norms.

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