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Jeff Fisher, Drew Brees Breaks Another Record + Guys on Chicks

Wednesday, December 18, 201915 takes

Drew Brees record breaking season is back. MNF is all about Drew Brees and we talk about his career being exceptional while also weird. Booger gave us that MNF telestrator Dong and the Lions are going status quo. (-) Hot Seat/Cool Throne. (-) Coach Jeff Fisher joins us in studio to talk about his life without football, fishing in Montana and chasing Bears, thoughts on social media and why he would love to get back in the game. (-) Segments include this league, (-) PR 101 for our guy Jon Rothstein, (-) way to stay relevant baseball, (-) and guys on chicks (-)

Jeff Fisher on NFL Returns and Bears, Plus Drew Brees' Record Night

Drew Brees is back to breaking records on Monday Night Football, which feels like a weekly tradition at this point. While the sports world was ready to crown him the GOAT after he surpassed Peyton Manning, Big Cat and PFT weren't quite ready to hand over the keys to the kingdom. Between the 158.3 passer rating being a total enigma and the lack of a definitive "Brees Year," the legacy talk got complicated quickly.

Void
Dec 18, 2019
#8164
Big CatBig Cat

Passer rating is the dumbest statistic of all time

Drew Brees was 29 for 30, 307 yards, four touchdowns, zero interceptions, and he was still 10 points shy of a perfect passer rating. Not good enough for me. It's the dumbest statistic of all time. Not only that, because it's dumb, but it's also someone can explain to me why it's still graded out of 158.3.

Whether a statistic is 'dumb' is subjective, though the math behind passer rating is famously convoluted.

Big Cat pointed out that Brees is the ultimate victim of bad timing, constantly being overshadowed by peak Aaron Rodgers, MVP Peyton Manning, or the longevity of Tom Brady.

Win
Dec 18, 2019
#8165
Big CatBig Cat

Drew Brees gets lost in the GOAT conversation because he never had a year where he was clearly the best

Drew Brees, though, is a classic case of a guy who just played in an era where there were one or two guys that were always just a little bit better than him. He's never won an MVP... Aaron Rodgers threw 45 touchdowns and six interceptions in 2011... 2013, Peyton Manning threw 55 touchdowns... there was never a specific moment in time where you were like, this guy was the best quarterback in the NFL because he also played against Tom Brady, too.

Brees famously never won an MVP and often finished behind Manning, Brady, or Rodgers in First-Team All-Pro selections.

Speaking of Brady, PFT was quick to remind everyone that regular-season records are just paper achievements if you aren't counting the rings and the January stats.

Win
Dec 18, 2019
#8166
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tom Brady has the only records that matter because of the postseason

If I may step in and do your pod form and say that Tom Brady actually has all the meaningful records when you take into account the postseason as well. So really, this is just on paper.

When including playoffs, Brady had significantly more career passing yards and touchdowns than Brees at the time and at the end of their careers.

The Lions Are Staying Put

In news that surprised absolutely no one but saddened everyone in Michigan, the Detroit Lions announced they are keeping Matt Patricia and Bob Quinn for another year. The guys discussed how the franchise is essentially a glitch in the NFL matrix where losing is the only constant. Big Cat suggested that instead of fighting it, the Lions should just embrace their destiny of being the league's punching bag for the officiating crew.

Win
Dec 18, 2019
#28127
Big CatBig Cat

The Lions should just factor in getting screwed by the refs as a guaranteed loss every year

Being fucked by the refs as the Lions, you have to write that in. In your statistical analysis of how the Lions are going to go, their season is going to go, you have to put at least one loss of we're going to get fucked by the refs.

The Lions did have several high-profile officiating blunders go against them in 2019 (notably against Green Bay).

Hot Seat/Cool Throne

Hank brought a terrifying piece of news to the table regarding downward-tilting toilets designed to make employees stop scrolling on their phones and get back to work. For Hank, this is a direct attack on the sanctity of the American workday.

Void
HankHank

Shitting is an essential mental break during the work day

I feel like the art of going to the back, even in high school before I had a cell phone, I was still just like, let me get out of the class and go take a shit for 30 minutes. It's a mental break. So I don't even know that the cell phone thing would work as much. Like, people back in the day, before cell phones existed, were still taking long shit breaks.

Whether it's an essential break is a matter of personal opinion on work-life balance.

Meanwhile, Big Cat put Chicago Bulls coach Jim Boylen on the Hot Seat. After watching Boylen call a timeout with 33 seconds left in the third quarter—right before a mandatory break—Big Cat is convinced he's witnessing the lowest point in coaching history.

Win
Big CatBig Cat

Jim Boylen is the worst coach in the history of basketball

Yeah, he is the worst coach in the NBA. He might be the worst coach in the history of basketball... He called a timeout with 33 seconds left in the third quarter to stop a run. For people who don't understand, they stop the game in between quarters. So there is a timeout that's naturally there... He's such a fucking idiot.

Boylen finished his Bulls career with a .317 winning percentage and was fired in 2020. While 'worst in history' is hyperbolic, the sentiment was widely shared.

Coach Jeff Fisher in Studio

Recurring guest and friend of the program Coach Jeff Fisher joined the show looking refreshed after a fall spent in the mountains of Montana. Between stalking elk at 11,000 feet and literally scaring a grizzly bear off a river, Coach Fisher is living the dream. He even weighed in on the "Hank vs. a Salmon" debate, giving Hank a puncher's chance if he uses his feet to scoop it onto the shore.

When the talk shifted back to the gridiron, Fisher was fascinated by the evolution of the game, specifically the Lamar Jackson experience. He noted that the Ravens' quarterback has completely broken the geometry of NFL defenses.

Win
Dec 18, 2019
#8169
Jeff FisherJeff Fisher

There is no athlete on defense equivalent to Lamar Jackson

There's never been one like Lamar and you know you can just you can tell I mean the defenses are outnumbered and that's the that's the idea... now you can't even, with Lamar, you can't even spy the dude because there's no athlete on your defense that's equivalent to him.

Lamar Jackson won the 2019 MVP unanimously, validating the idea that defenses had no answer for his athleticism.

Fisher didn't hold back on the "new school" approach to the front office either. He argued that the reliance on numbers over film study is exactly what led to the downfall of certain franchises.

Void
Dec 18, 2019
#8170
Jeff FisherJeff Fisher

Analytics ruined the Cleveland Browns

You know, the analytic thing is obviously it's trending right now. We saw what it did for the Browns a few years ago. It ruined the organization because that's what they stood behind. But everybody's interested in that. And basically, analytics are all based on past, based on history.

The 'Moneyball' Browns era led to a historically bad record, though it eventually yielded the draft picks that made them competitive again (Garrett, Mayfield).

He also expressed a surprising interest in the college game, noting that the ability to mentor young men before they hit the pros is a major draw, and he dismissed the idea that NFL coaches can't recruit.

Void
Dec 18, 2019
#8171
Jeff FisherJeff Fisher

NFL coaches are better suited for college recruiting than people think

Someone that says something along those lines with respect to a – directed towards an NFL guy that's looking at college I think is pretty simple-minded because as NFL guys, we're on college campuses all the time during the spring... the attraction to me with respect to the college game is to be able to go get a young man as he enters the university – before he makes some decisions that affect him later in life.

This is an opinion on coaching philosophy and the effectiveness of NFL backgrounds in college sports.

Closing the Show

PR 101 returned to defend the honor of college basketball insider John Rothstein. Apparently, the internet is upset that Rothstein texts "Good Luck" to every coach before a game. Big Cat and PFT are standing firmly in Rothstein's corner, even if the coaches usually leave him on read.

Void
Dec 18, 2019
#8173
Big CatBig Cat

I will fight anyone who is genuinely mad about John Rothstein wishing coaches good luck

If you have a problem with John Rothstein texting good luck and most of the time getting left just completely ignored by the coach, come fight us. If he's wishing good luck to both sides... he just wants everyone to play well. It's just so petty. People are coming after our guy.

This is a subjective defense of a friend's behavior against 'journalistic integrity' complaints.

Finally, the show wrapped up with Guys on Chicks, featuring a husband who calls his newborn son his "Eskimo Bro" during breastfeeding and a recap of the time Hank accidentally ate a bowl of cereal using his aunt's breast milk.

Always remember to check the labels in the fridge before you pour the Cheerios.

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More Takes

Loss
Dec 18, 2019
#8167
Big CatBig Cat

Jameis Winston will eventually be the all-time NFL touchdown leader

I think it's going to probably be Jameis' award eventually, right? They should just name it after Jameis already. Jameis being the all-time touchdown passing leader is going to be the greatest.

Jameis Winston did not become the all-time touchdown leader. He was benched/became a backup shortly after this.
Void
Dec 18, 2019
#28128
Jeff FisherJeff Fisher

The NFL should return to having only one week between the Conference Championships and the Super Bowl

There's only one week between championship game and Super Bowl. Last time [it happened in 1999]. There's always been two weeks. So could you imagine that happening now? I would love it... Why don't they do that? Bring it back to January 30th.

The NFL has considered shortening the gap, but the two-week window is currently the standard for media and recovery purposes.
Void
Dec 18, 2019
#28129
Jeff FisherJeff Fisher

Modern NFL executives and coaches don't watch enough game tape

There's no substitute for putting tape or film or video... on and watching a guy play. There's no substitute, and there's not enough good people in the league that are studying tape. I would go on a limb and say there's executives in this league that don't know how to watch tape or would rather not watch tape.

This is a frequent complaint of older coaches against the 'analytic' era. It can't be objectively proven, but it represents a significant divide in NFL philosophy.
Push
Dec 18, 2019
#28130
Jeff FisherJeff Fisher

Most NFL players suffer from sleep disorders caused by their phone usage

Every player in the National Football League, I say every, but most of them have sleeping disorders. And you go, oh, they got sleep apnea? No, no. They just don't go to sleep early because they're on their phone.

While 'sleep disorders' is a clinical term, the negative impact of blue light and social media on sleep is well-documented in sports science.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Pitchers should be required to finish the entire inning they enter

I actually think they should go one further and a pitcher gets in the game and they have to finish the inning. Because it would be so funny watching a pitcher just die out there and give up a million home runs.

This is a rule change proposal and is subjective to personal taste.

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