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Kurt Warner, Our Trip To Buffalo & Bring Your Lunch Pail With Jersey Jerry

Wednesday, December 8, 202117 takes

Hank admits that weather may in fact exist. We talk MNF and weird weather games. Our trip to Buffalo was awesome and Big Cat admits to something disgusting(-). Hot Seat/Cool Throne(-). Kurt Warner joins us in studio to talk about his movie, who has impressed him this year in the NFL, bad weather games and more(-). Jersey Jerry joins the show to talk Rough and Rowdy on Friday Night, being cancelled by Jersey Jerry and we answer blue collar questions from listeners(-:03)

Kurt Warner, Buffalo Recap, and Jersey Jerry’s Lunch Pail

The Monday Night Football game in Buffalo was so absurd it actually forced a worldview shift in the office. After years of claiming that wind is a myth invented by weak-armed quarterbacks, Hank finally waved the white flag to the elements and Bill Belichick. It turns out that when a team only throws the ball three times in sixty minutes, even the staunchest weather denier has to acknowledge that something is happening in the atmosphere.

Void
Dec 8, 2021
#7198
HankHank

I am finally willing to admit that weather and wind exist in football

I've learned a lot over the years. I know some things, I don't know some other things. Before yesterday, I was steadfast in my belief that weather doesn't matter, wind is not a factor unless it's a tornado... but Bill Belichick, the wisest, smartest man in the history probably of this planet... taught me a lesson. I'm willing to admit... that weather does matter.

The Patriots essentially ran a military-grade ground assault that left the Bills looking shell-shocked. PFT was mesmerized by the sheer chaos of the wind, suggesting that if you're going to have a weather game, you might as well go full apocalypse.

Void
Dec 8, 2021
#7199
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

If you're going to have bad weather, it's better to have extreme weather than halfway bad weather

If you're going to have bad weather, I think it's better to have really, really bad weather than halfway bad weather. Yeah, it's—you're right, like the problem with the wind is the wind got tired out. We needed more wind to keep it crazier.

While the guys were laughing about the 32 straight run plays, the reality for the Bills is much darker. Big Cat pointed out that Buffalo’s path doesn’t get any easier, with a date against their old father Tom Brady looming on the horizon.

Loss
Dec 8, 2021
#21930
Big CatBig Cat

The Bills' season is at risk of falling apart with upcoming games against the Patriots and Tom Brady

It’s bad for the Bills right now because they thought this was going to be the year they're going to win the AFC East... now in a three-week stretch or four-week stretch, the Bills' season can sort of kind of fall apart here by having to face the Patriots and Tom Brady. Oh, you have to go up against the quarterback that as a team, [Tom Brady] is 32 and 3 against [them].

The Bills actually recovered, winning four straight to end the season and defeating the Patriots in the Wild Card round.

PFT even suggested that Belichick might actually be annoyed that he had to throw the ball at all, as a zero-pass victory would have been the ultimate coaching masterpiece.

Void
Dec 8, 2021
#7200
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Bill Belichick will regret not winning the Patriots-Bills game with zero pass attempts

I actually think that Bill Belichick did not want to attempt a single pass last night. He was forced into it at the end and it would have been amazing. I actually that's, that's a regret that Bill Belichick is going to have. He's not going to have many of them at the end of his career, but he's going to regret not winning this game with zero passes, zero passes.

Purely speculative about Belichick's internal motivations.

The Dome Debate with Kurt Warner

Hall of Famer Kurt Warner joined the show to talk about his new movie *American Underdog*, but before they could get to his life story, they had to address his pro-dome stance. Kurt isn't a fan of seeing games decided by a gust of wind, arguing that the best version of a team can't show up when the ball is slipping out of their hands like a bar of soap.

Void
Dec 8, 2021
#7204
Kurt WarnerKurt Warner

NFL games should be played in domes to ensure the best version of teams win championships

I want to see the best version of the Bills against the best version of the Patriots. And I want the best team to win, not the best team in those conditions... I just, I don't want that stuff to dictate who wins these games and who ultimately, you know, creates history and wins championships. I don't want that to be the case... I'd rather play in a dome in every, every game that I play than anywhere else.

Subjective argument about competitive fairness vs entertainment.

Big Cat and PFT pushed back, arguing that the variety of elements is what makes the NFL great, but Kurt wasn't budging. He explained that dome teams and warm-weather teams are at an insurmountable mental disadvantage the second they step into a Buffalo blizzard.

Void
Dec 8, 2021
#21932
Kurt WarnerKurt Warner

Warm-weather and dome teams have a massive disadvantage because it is impossible to mentally acclimate to the cold in one day

There is a mental component to playing the game... the mental component to going from a warm weather place to a cold weather place and having to deal with the elements and not knowing how to do that is a real thing. I can go to the dome in Arizona... and we don't deal with as much of a disadvantage as [cold teams] do having to come to our place because we're accustomed to [the heat].

When the conversation shifted to current quarterbacks, Kurt gave a lot of credit to the rookie Mack Jones for his mental processing, which is high praise from a guy who lived in the film room.

Loss
Dec 8, 2021
#7205
Kurt WarnerKurt Warner

Mac Jones is playing mentally as well as anyone in the NFL

I always look at the quarterback position... I look at it mentally and I say, does he know what he's looking at? Does he know how to make different throws? Does he get his eyes in the right place at the right time? And [Mac Jones] is doing that as well as just about anybody in the league.

Mac Jones' performance declined sharply in subsequent seasons, eventually leading to his trade. Warner's praise proved to be based on a temporary peak.

However, he was less bullish on the current crop of mid-tier veterans. Kurt broke down why the current QB market is essentially trapping teams in mediocrity by paying "good" guys like they're "great" guys.

Void
Dec 8, 2021
#21933
Kurt WarnerKurt Warner

The NFL quarterback market is broken because teams pay mid-tier QBs like superstars, preventing them from building championship rosters

It’s kinda messed up our league, I think, because it affects the ability to [win]... These teams get handcuffed paying a quarterback that's probably not that guy to carry them, and then they're stuck never becoming a championship team because they can't find that ratio [of pay to talent].

He also offered a fascinating look into why Matthew Stafford is struggling in LA, suggesting that ten years of having to do everything for the Lions has created some bad habits that even Sean McVay hasn't fully coached out yet.

Push
Dec 8, 2021
#21934
Kurt WarnerKurt Warner

Matthew Stafford’s 'do everything' mentality from his decade in Detroit is hurting the Rams because he tries to do too much

Matthew Stafford is a really, really good quarterback... but he's been on a team where he's asked to do everything. His mentality has been, 'Matthew, you gotta make every throw for us.' If you have that mentality for 10 years... how hard is it to break that mentality? What I see with Matthew Stafford is he does a lot of really good things, but there's times where he tries to do too much, and when he tries to do too much, it's worked against them.

Stafford eventually settled in and led the Rams to a Super Bowl win later this same season.

Bring Your Lunch Pail with Jersey Jerry

Jersey Jerry joined the crew to prepare for his upcoming Rough and Rowdy fight against Jeff Nadu. The heat is real, the blood is bad, and Jerry is already calling his shot for Friday night.

Push
Jersey JerryJersey Jerry

I will knock out Jeff Nadu in the second round with a body shot

Game plan is to come out and put the pressure on right away and back him up and have him on the defense, the whole fight and run around the ring and cut off the corners... and just bodywork. And once he drops those hands, it's lights out... Second round knockout, second round knockout, a body shot.

Jerry won the fight against Jeff Nadu, but it went the distance and was decided by unanimous decision, not a 2nd round body shot KO.

In the debut of "Bring Your Lunch Pail," the guys answered blue-collar questions from listeners. Jerry weighed in on what constitutes a proper work lunch and gave a surprising ruling on whether office workers can claim blue-collar status based on their typing speed.

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Jersey JerryJersey Jerry

Doing spreadsheets so fast that you sweat counts as blue collar work

I don't care if you're just like a little bit out of shape, you're doing spreadsheets. You're doing them really fast. I agree if you're so fast on the computer that it makes you sweat. That's blue collar for sure. A hundred percent.

Subjective classification of labor.

Between the weather talk, the Hall of Fame insight, and Jersey Jerry's looming war with the GABA-GOOF kid, it’s clear that Mack Jones and the wind are the only things Belichick respects.

Never forget that the wind doesn't exist until it throws your parlay into the Lake Erie stands.

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More Takes

Loss
Dec 8, 2021
#7201
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The 2021 Buffalo Bills struggle against physical teams and haven't beaten anyone impressive

The bills also in the words of a Paul Finebaum caller 'ain't beat nobody.' They beat the Chiefs, but that's before the Chiefs became the Chiefs... But yeah, the Bills, they, they struggle against good teams. They struggle against more physical teams. And that is embarrassing for defense.

The Bills actually finished strongly, beating the Patriots in the playoffs and losing an all-timer to the Chiefs in the Divisional round, proving they were elite.
Void
Dec 8, 2021
#7202
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

NFL games should not be played in domes because weather variables make sports fun

The reason why playing outside and having to deal with the elements in December is fun. Is that you have games like last night... Being like every game should be played in a dome in perfect environment is like making it's arena football. You're making it completely sterile. You're making it all the same... The variables in sports make it fun.

Subjective debate about the philosophy of the sport.
Void
Dec 8, 2021
#21931
Big CatBig Cat

NFL teams should build their rosters specifically to handle their home stadium's climate

I happen to enjoy when a team builds around the weather and they're like, 'Hey, we're going to run that.' ... You should have a team that can run the ball [in Buffalo] because that's what the Patriots have built. I love the element of every game is different and played in different circumstances.

Loss
Billy FootballBilly Football

NFTs are becoming more valuable than diamonds

Turns out there's a bunch of new diamonds that are fake, but no one can tell the difference... De Beers is totally panicking because now diamonds have no value. So Hot Seat: Diamond... NFTs are kind of more valuable than diamonds, I think about it.

The NFT market crashed significantly after early 2022, while diamonds maintained value.
Win
Dec 8, 2021
#7206
Kurt WarnerKurt Warner

Baker Mayfield and Kirk Cousins have reached their ceilings as 'playoff' guys, not championship guys

Kirk Cousins, another guy you're just like, come on, man. Like at some point we've got to turn this corner... [Baker Mayfield] may not be that guy. I mean, let's be honest, right? How many guys are there that you can build around with their right arm?... Then your next decision is, are we okay with the playoff guy? Are we okay with the guy that's better than what we've had, but we're going to settle for a team that probably won't ever win a championship.

As of late 2024, neither Mayfield nor Cousins has reached a Super Bowl as a starter, supporting Warner's 'playoff guy' tiering.
Loss
Dec 8, 2021
#7207
Kurt WarnerKurt Warner

Super Bowl Prediction: Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. New England Patriots

Let me go with Tampa Bay in New England. I just think it would be an unbelievable way to finish the season. And Tom got his last year and Bill has his chance with a young quarterback... I think it's possible, you know, and with the way both teams are playing, I think it's definitely possible.

The Super Bowl was Rams vs. Bengals. Neither predicted team made it.

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