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SB Champ Andrew Whitworth, 1 Question With Chad Henne, Hot Seat/Cool Throne + Guys On Chicks

Wednesday, December 21, 202216 takes

We start with some MNF recap and clean up from Sunday (-). Jalen Hurts may be injured but Max is now a shoulder doctor. (-) Hot Seat/Cool Throne including the sordid tale of Chiefaholic (-) . SB Champ Andrew Whitworth joins the show to talk about his first year in retirement, winning the Super Bowl, TNF and tons more (-). 1 question with a Quarterback with Chad Henne (-). We finish the show with Guys on Chicks (-).

Andrew Whitworth on Retirement, the Turf War, and Chiefaholic

The Monday Night Football matchup between the Packers and the Rams didn't exactly deliver the star-studded fireworks we expected when the schedule dropped, but it gave Big Cat and PFT plenty of material to pick apart. While Matt LaFleur finally discovered he's allowed to go for it on fourth down, the real story in Green Bay is whether Aaron Rodgers can actually lead this team into the postseason. PFT isn't buying the hype for a second.

Win
Dec 21, 2022
#10574
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Packers are not going to run the table and make the playoffs

I promise you. I promise They've got a really tough schedule. Yeah, they, they've got the Dolphins. They've got the Lions... I'm just, this guy's [Rodgers] never, yeah, Hank just, Hank just looked up. He's like, Ooh, they could win all those guys. Nah.

The Packers won their next four games but lost to the Lions in Week 18, missing the playoffs. PFT was correct that they would not run the table.

With the Jets and Jaguars set for a massive Thursday night clash, the conversation shifted to a franchise quarterback draft. Big Cat is high on Trevor Lawrence's growth as a pure passer, but PFT remains a card-carrying member of the Justin Fields Fan Club, valuing the dual-threat upside and the potential for passing improvement.

Void
Dec 21, 2022
#21066
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I would draft Justin Fields over Trevor Lawrence to start a franchise today.

I actually do disagree with you [Big Cat] though. I would take Justin Fields over Trevor Lawrence. Because I think that you can get better as a passer in the NFL. We've seen a couple guys do it and weapons around him. It's possible if you have good coaching around you, you've got good weapons, you can improve. ... I would rather have Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence.

This remains a subjective debate, though Lawrence has achieved more playoff success while Fields has since been traded to the Steelers.

Naturally, the Jalen Hurts injury news sent shockwaves through the studio. Max has officially completed his 24-hour residency in shoulder medicine to assure everyone that the Eagles' star is fine. While some are blaming Hurts' style of play for the injury, Max is doubling down on the very thing that makes him an MVP candidate.

Void
Dec 21, 2022
#21068
MaxMax

Jalen Hurts is elite because of his running ability, and people shouldn't complain when he gets hurt doing it.

I'm sick of people online getting all pissed off that Jalen Hurts runs that. Because that's the number one thing is that, oh, this is what happens when you have running quarterback. They're just gonna get hurt. ... That's what makes Jalen Hurts good. Jalen Hurts is good because he can throw the ball and because he can run. And if you don't run then you don't get the good parts with Jalen Hurts.

Subjective philosophy on player usage and risk management.

The Legend of Chiefaholic

Hot Seat/Cool Throne featured one of the most electric stories of the season. Chiefs super-fan Chiefaholic, known for attending every road game in a full wolf suit, went missing during the Houston game. It turns out he was busy being detained in Oklahoma for allegedly robbing a bank. PFT is taking a stand on the field until the wolf is free.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I am fading the Chiefs until Chiefaholic is released from prison.

Chief's Twitter went into a panic trying to find out where Chiefaholic was. ... stopped in Bixby, Oklahoma real quick as one does, robbed the bank, got caught, and now he's in, I believe federal prison awaiting sentencing. ... I plan on fading the chiefs until they release Chiefaholic from prison.

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The Chiefs went on to win the Super Bowl that same season despite their superfan being in prison.

On the Cool Throne side, the guys looked ahead to the Masters and the potential for Charlie Woods to continue the family legacy. Big Cat isn't just saying Charlie belongs in the field; he's saying the kid could take home the green jacket today if the gates were open.

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Big CatBig Cat

Charlie Woods could win the Masters right now if they let him in

Charlie Woods could win the Masters right now if you wanted to. Is there a way that if they let him in, he could win it? ... Charlie Woods is gonna be the greatest. He's next up. We've always said that on this podcast. He is now he's him.

Charlie Woods is a talented junior golfer, but at 13-14 years old, he would not be competitive in a professional major field.

Andrew Whitworth in Studio

Fresh off a Super Bowl ring and a smooth transition to the Amazon Prime booth, Andrew Whitworth stopped by to discuss his first year of retirement. It’s the greatest retirement timing in NFL history, walking away at the peak while the Rams’ offensive line transformed into a revolving door of injuries. Whitworth offered some veteran perspective on the Detroit Lions' unsung heroes up front.

Win
Dec 21, 2022
#10579
Andrew WhitworthAndrew Whitworth

The Detroit Lions' offensive line is one of the best in the NFL and doesn't get enough credit

The Lions group, I mean Yeah. You know, people keep talking about, you know, Jared Goff's playing his best and the weapons they have offensively... but you also just played a Jets defense that's been getting after people and they didn't touch Jared. I mean, no Sacks, you know, barely hit him at all. That group doesn't get talked about enough, in my opinion, just because of the team's record.

The 2022-2023 Lions O-line was consistently ranked in the top 5-10 by PFF and other metrics.

As a legendary offensive lineman, Whitworth was refreshingly honest about the dark arts of the trenches. He didn't shy away from the fact that being a great blocker often means being a world-class cheater when the refs aren't looking.

Win
Dec 21, 2022
#10578
Andrew WhitworthAndrew Whitworth

Every offensive lineman's job is to be a world-class holder

If you're an offensive lineman, you gotta become a world-class holder. Yeah. That's your job. Yeah, right. We're basically really high paid bouncers. That's, that's literally all we are. You're, you're figure out how to hold people.

This is a widely acknowledged 'open secret' among NFL players and coaches regarding technical proficiency at the position.

One of the biggest talking points for players this season has been the surface they play on. Whitworth confirmed what we all suspected: the data might say one thing, but the human body says another. The difference in recovery time between grass and turf isn't just a minor preference; it's a matter of surviving the season.

Win
Dec 21, 2022
#10580
Andrew WhitworthAndrew Whitworth

NFL players wake up feeling significantly better playing on grass versus turf

When I play on grass, there is a drastic difference really how I wake up the next day. Like just my body in general, like how I can work out, how I can train it. It's night and day different. ... The argument is I know that after I play a game on turf, I feel awful for three or four days. Your knees, your joints, your body, like, you just feel terrible.

This aligns with broader NFLPA sentiment and player polling regarding injury risk and recovery on artificial surfaces.

One Question and Sink Pissing

Chad Henne joined the show for a quick 'One Question with a Quarterback,' sharing a classic Blake Bortles story involving golf, 15 beers, and a complete lack of sympathy for a teammate in distress. He also reminisced about the pure violence of Ryan Mallet’s arm during their days at Michigan.

Void
Dec 21, 2022
#21072
CH
Chad Henne

Ryan Mallet's arm was so strong that it sounded like a 'shotgun' going off when he threw.

I remember the first day [Ryan Mallet] came in, I felt like I had a strong arm. He threw like a 10 yard out route, went right through the receiver's hands and like pelted the wall. Sounded like a shotgun went off. I was like, 'Geez, this kid's gonna be special.'

Mallet's arm strength was widely considered elite by scouts and peers, making this a well-supported claim.

To wrap things up, Guys on Chicks took a turn for the hygienic when the debate over toilet paper orientation surfaced. However, everything else was overshadowed by Big Cat’s reveal of his late-night kitchen routine. After cleaning up the house and finishing the dishes, he views the sink as his own personal victory trough.

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Big CatBig Cat

Pissing in the kitchen sink is a reward for doing the dishes

I would say I'm still, probably two times a week I piss in my sink. ... Kitchen? What? No, that's what I finished doing the dishes late at night. I, I actually think that this is, and then I just run the, run the water. ... It's a reward. It's a, it's whatever. I like it.

This is a subjective lifestyle choice, though hygienically questionable.

If you aren't rewarding yourself for domestic chores, you simply aren't living life to the fullest.

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Void
Dec 21, 2022
#10575
Big CatBig Cat

Trevor Lawrence would be drafted ahead of Justin Fields to start a franchise today

I I think Trevor Lawrence right now, I I'm being honest, would be ahead of him [Justin Fields]. I'm just wondering how high up Trevor Lawrence would be... I do think that that Trevor Lawrence is a, has shown more this year in terms of passing and like how much better he's gotten versus Justin Fields.

Subjective value judgment, though Lawrence's playoff success and market value generally remained higher than Fields' over the following year.
Loss
Dec 21, 2022
#21073
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Packers will lose to the Dolphins on Christmas Day.

The Packers are in the primed to make a run position. So like if they go down to Miami, they win this game, then Yeah. Watch out the Packers. They might run the table. I don't think they're gonna win this game.

The Packers defeated the Dolphins 26-20 on Christmas Day 2022.
Void
Dec 21, 2022
#21067
Big CatBig Cat

Jalen Hurts would be playing against the Cowboys if Dallas hadn't lost to the Jaguars.

I do kind of think that it was... if the Cowboys hadn't lost the Jaguars, I think Jalen Hurts would be playing in this game. That's what I feel like it's, it's one of those situations why potentially having to maybe play them a third time in the playoffs. Why give them anything, take care of business against the Saints the week after.

This is a counterfactual that cannot be verified, though Hurts did return for Week 18 to clinch the seed.
Win
Dec 21, 2022
#10576
MaxMax

Jalen Hurts' shoulder injury will only sideline him for one to three weeks

It's a sprained shoulder. People sprain their shoulders all the time. What's the one to three weeks? One to three weeks. It's one to three weeks. Take the three weeks, give you the fourth. Take the bye from the first week of the playoffs.

Hurts missed two games (Dec 24 and Jan 1) and returned for the regular season finale on Jan 8, exactly within the 3-week window.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Charlie Woods will win at least two major championships in his career.

Will Charlie Woods win a major? I would say yes. Hammer absolutely. Multiple over one and a half. Yeah. Majors over for Charlie Woods. ... Just bet on him to be better than Tiger. Charlie Woods's gonna be the greatest.

Charlie Woods is still a youth golfer; this will take over a decade to resolve.
Void
Dec 21, 2022
#21071
Andrew WhitworthAndrew Whitworth

Zach Wilson failed as a leader by not taking accountability for his poor performance against the Patriots.

You look at the Zach Wilson situation... he didn't feel like, 'Hey dude, could you not feel this entire locker room feels like, Hey man, you gotta play better for us.' And you missed a moment to like just, even if you don't agree with it, 'I just need to be better. Bottom line, I need to be better. And we can't leave the defense in that situation.' And that's really one of those moments where it's like you can't miss those as a leader.

Subjective leadership critique, though widely shared by the locker room and media at the time.

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