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Tom Fornelli and Anthony "Spice" Adams

Friday, December 1, 201718 takes

Live from Indianapolis Football Week continues and Tiger is back. We talk NFL Week 13 and our Locks of the Week(-). Fantasy Fuckbois makes it's triumphant return(-). CBS College Football writer Tom Fornelli joins the show to talk about Championship Saturday and give us all the picks that will win you cash cash cash.(-) Former NFL Player Anthony "Spice" Adams joins us to talk about life in the league, his second career on the internet, and what an NFL locker room is like.(-) Coaching Carousel with Jeff Fisher, Mike Leach, and Herm Edwards. Sabermetrics for Chili's helping win football games.(-) PR 101 for Conor McGregor, Thoughts and Prayers for Ben Roethlisberger, Gronk Translations, and big game Jimbos(-). ​

Tom Fornelli and Spice Adams on Championship Saturday and Tiger's Return

Football week continues from the Barstool Heartland office in Indianapolis, and the vibes are high because Tiger Woods is officially back. He shot a 69 in the Bahamas, which is essentially the perfect number for a guy who once spent more time at Perkins than the putting green. Big Cat is trying to manage expectations while admitting the GOAT looks healthy, even if the long-term outlook is a bit more realistic.

Loss
Dec 1, 2017
#3627
Big CatBig Cat

Tiger Woods is officially back, but he will never win another Major

Once [Tiger] is on the course and playing well, I can say, yeah, look, he looked good. He's back. I don't think he's ever going to win anything big again. But for right now, he's back.

Tiger Woods won the 2019 Masters, which counts as 'something big'.

Before getting into the heavy football talk, Big Cat took a moment to double down on his latest quarterback evaluation. After watching Dak Prescott struggle without Zeke Elliott, he’s officially seen enough to plant his flag in the ground regarding the Cowboys' signal-caller.

Loss
Dec 1, 2017·NFL Recap
#3629
Big CatBig Cat

Dak Prescott sucks

Dak Prescott sucks. He sucks. And anytime – everyone's like, well, he lost to Zeke Elliott. Well, if losing your running back means that you aren't a good quarterback anymore, you weren't a good quarterback to begin with.

While Dak has had ups and downs, he has consistently been a top-tier NFL quarterback and led high-powered offenses with and without Zeke Elliott. Calling him 'sucks' is hyperbole.

Championship Saturday Picks with Tom Fornelli

CBS Sports college football expert Tom Fornelli joined the show to help us navigate a massive Championship Saturday. Between the SEC rematch in Atlanta and the Big Ten title game right here in Indy, the playoff picture is a mess. Fornelli has been crushing his picks all year, though he admits his recent run of betting unders has been a disaster because life is too short to root for punts.

When looking at the SEC, he isn't buying the Auburn hype train after their emotional Iron Bowl win. He expects Kirby Smart to have the Bulldogs ready to ground and pound their way into the final four.

Win
Dec 1, 2017
#3641
Tom FornelliTom Fornelli

Georgia will beat and cover against Auburn in the SEC Championship

I think that this week in Atlanta, where it's going to be a far friendlier environment for the Bulldogs, they're going to get back to the run game... So I really like Georgia in this one, not just to cover the two and a half, but just to win.

Georgia beat Auburn 28-7 to win the SEC Championship on December 2, 2017.

We also got into the NFL draft prospects of the big-name quarterbacks. PFT floated his theory that a bad spiral actually makes a quarterback more dangerous because defenders can't track the ball, while Fornelli gave a very sober assessment of the USC versus UCLA debate.

Loss
Dec 1, 2017
#3639
Tom FornelliTom Fornelli

Josh Rosen is ready for the NFL now, but Sam Darnold should stay in school

I would take Rosen right now. I think Darnold needs to go back. I mean, I never want to tell a kid to go to school again for another year when he can get paid, but I think as far as being a quarterback is concerned, Darnold would be better going back for another year, whereas I think Rosen's ready to play in the NFL now.

Both players struggled significantly in the NFL. Rosen, despite being 'ready', was a major bust and was traded after one season.

The chaos in the Big Ten also presents a massive opportunity for the committee. Fornelli laid out the exact scenario that would make every Ohio State fan’s head explode while potentially paving the way for a certain team from Tuscaloosa to sneak back into the mix.

Win
Dec 1, 2017
#3643
Tom FornelliTom Fornelli

If Ohio State beats Wisconsin, Alabama will get the 4th playoff spot

If Ohio State beats Wisconsin, I think Alabama will get that spot. As long as Clemson beats Miami, Oklahoma beats TCU, and then it probably doesn't really matter what happens in the SEC title game.

Ohio State beat Wisconsin, and the committee chose Alabama over Ohio State for the 4th playoff spot.

Spice Adams in Studio

Former Penn State and Bears legend Spice Adams dropped by to talk about his second career as an internet superstar. The man is a content machine, and he brought the same energy to the studio that he used to bring to the pre-game huddles in Chicago. He weighed in on the Big Ten title game with a lot more optimism for the Badgers than Big Cat currently has.

Loss
Dec 1, 2017
#3645
Anthony "Spice" AdamsAnthony "Spice" Adams

Wisconsin will beat Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship

I'm going with Wisconsin, man. 13-0 after this game, 13-0... I think Jonathan Taylor is a player, dog. Like, I like his game, bro.

Ohio State beat Wisconsin 27-21 on December 2, 2017.

Spice also gave us a look behind the curtain of the 2010 NFC Championship game. He’s still convinced that if Lovie Smith had made a quicker move to the backup quarterback when Jay Cutler went down, there might be another trophy in the Bears' lobby.

Void
Dec 1, 2017
#3647
Anthony "Spice" AdamsAnthony "Spice" Adams

The Bears would have had a better chance to win the 2010 NFC Championship if they played Caleb Hanie earlier

We'd have had a better chance of winning [the 2010 NFC Championship], no question. [If Lovie Smith went straight to Caleb Hanie].

Subjective claim about a past game outcome; Hanie did provide a spark, but it's unprovable if an earlier switch would have won the game.

We also discussed the general toughness of the modern NFL player. Spice is an old-school guy who thinks that if you’re playing in the cold, you should be showing skin. He even had some words for our good friend Kyle Long regarding his choice of winter attire.

Void
Dec 1, 2017
#3649
Anthony "Spice" AdamsAnthony "Spice" Adams

Wearing sleeves in the cold is weak for an NFL player

That is so weak, man... I am [calling Kyle Long weak]. That's weak, dog. Next time I see him, [I'll say it to his face].

Purely a matter of opinion on football culture and toughness.

Coaching Carousel and Sabermetrics

The coaching world is absolutely on fire right now, mostly thanks to Tennessee fans becoming the first collective to act as a General Manager via Twitter riots. PFT pointed out that the Volunteers have essentially reached a point where the fans are just vetoing every single person who walks through the door.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tennessee fans effectively coach the team by vetoing hires

Well, they kind of are letting their fans coach their team next season by letting their fans tell them who they can and can't hire.

Factual recap of the influence fans had on the search, framed as a humorous take on 'coaching'.

Meanwhile, Arizona State decided to hire Herm Edwards out of an ESPN studio, a move Big Cat suspects was the result of a very successful agent prank that went too far. But the most important discovery of the week involves the correlation between casual dining and winning football games. PFT has the data to prove that if your school doesn't have a Chili's on campus, you're basically playing for second place.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Having a Chili's on campus helps a football program win games

This is [UCF's] first football season with an on-campus Chili's, and they're 11-0... Jimbo Fisher's record with a Chili's on campus, 78-17 with one national title. Jimbo Fisher's record without a Chili's on campus, 5-6 with zero national titles. Chili's wins football games.

While the records cited are factually correct correlations, the claim that Chili's *causes* wins is obviously satirical.

We wrapped up with the return of Fantasy Fuckboys and some Jimbo's focused on big-game heartbreak, including a listener who missed a World Series game because he fell asleep and pissed his pants.

See you in Buffalo for Bill’s Mafia, hopefully with no tables left standing.

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Win
Dec 1, 2017·Locks
#3633
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Dolphins +1.5 over the Broncos is a lock

I got the Dolphins. Plus one and a half. Jay Cutler's back. Yes, Mr. Fourth Quarter... Also big time revenge game against the Broncos.

The Dolphins beat the Broncos 35-9 on December 3, 2017.
Loss
Dec 1, 2017·Locks
#3635
HankHank

The Chiefs -3 over the Jets is a lock

I think figuring out why the Chiefs are only minus three against the Jets gave me a concussion. So I think I'm going to have to take them and find out why.

The Jets beat the Chiefs 38-31 on December 3, 2017.
Loss
HankHank

Bitcoin is fake and people should buy land instead

My stardom is land. Bitcoin, currency, it's all fake. You can't see it. Buy something you can see with your own two eyeballs. Buy a plot. Buy an acre. Squat on it.

While land is a stable asset, calling Bitcoin 'fake' proved to be financially short-sighted as its value exploded in the years following this take.
Void
Dec 1, 2017
#28741
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Quarterbacks who throw bad spirals are actually harder to intercept

There are a lot of quarterbacks out there that don't throw a good spiral, and it makes them tougher to intercept.

This is a subjective theory on ball physics and defender reaction that can't be definitively proven, though most scouts would disagree.
Void
Dec 1, 2017
#28742
Anthony "Spice" AdamsAnthony "Spice" Adams

Tennessee missed out by not hiring Jeff Brohm

Brohm, he's a good coach, man. I like him... I think [hiring him] would have been an awesome hire.

Subjective opinion on coaching quality.
Open
Dec 1, 2017
#28743
Anthony "Spice" AdamsAnthony "Spice" Adams

James Franklin will eventually win a national championship at Penn State

He's beyond reproach... where people start just trusting him with a blind eye and say, take over this program and we know you're going to do the right thing. And I think that's going to pan out really well.

James Franklin has yet to win a national championship as of 2024, though he remains at Penn State.
Win
Dec 1, 2017
#28744
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Mike Leach was born to coach in the SEC

When he was at Kentucky, he used to try to get horses to drink beer... He was born to coach in the SEC. I can't wait for it. Coach Leach, you're our guy.

Mike Leach eventually did move to the SEC (Mississippi State) in 2020 and was a perfect cultural fit until his passing.
Win
Dec 1, 2017
#28745
Big CatBig Cat

The Arizona State AD only hired Herm Edwards because they fell for agent posturing

Herm Edwards did the thing where we say that, you know, the agents all every couple of years throw a name out there just to make their guys ego. And then they threw the name out there and Arizona State's like, wait, we'll take Herm Edwards.

The hire was widely ridiculed as a 'leadership' experiment that eventually failed after an NCAA investigation and poor results.

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