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#PMT-2017-0322-3276
Big CatBig Cat

NBA players are right to sit out games if we judge them solely on championship rings

I actually want to point the finger back at the fans and media for this one. Because if there's one thing that all the fans and media do is they count rings... If these guys are sitting out because they're trying to win rings, I mean, they're literally trying to put themselves in the best position to win the thing that we judge their entire worth on.

Logical argument regarding sports culture incentives.
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#PMT-2017-0322-3278
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

If they took away shots over 20 feet, Steph Curry would be an average player

If they took away the 20 to 50-foot shot, then Steph Curry would probably only average like 22 points a game.

Curry's entire game is built on spacing; removing the 3-point line would fundamentally change the sport, making this unverifiable but literally incorrect as he is an elite finisher.
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#PMT-2017-0322-3277
Big CatBig Cat

The Golden State Warriors are baby back bitches

Anytime the Warriors get discussed on this show, it gets hot. Because they're baby back bitches.

Purely subjective expression of team hatred.
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Take Slip·Mar 20, 2017
#PMT-2017-0320-17166
Big CatBig Cat

I believe everything LeVar Ball says; Lonzo Ball is awesome

I now am believing everything that LeVar Ball says because Lonzo Ball was unbelievable against Cincinnati... He is awesome. And so billion-dollar contract, shoe contract, yep, sign him up.

Lonzo Ball was the #2 overall pick but his career was hampered by injuries and the BBB shoe line struggled.
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Take Slip·Mar 10, 2017
#PMT-2017-0310-13284
Bill WaltonBill Walton

Magic Johnson was the absolutely right hire to lead the Lakers' front office

Absolutely. We love Magic... Everything Magic does is fit. You know, Magic is, you know, he's one of those rare beacons of hope. I mean, look, come on. They told Magic he was going to die, and now look at him. He's just like, Magic is perfect.

Magic's tenure was widely viewed as a failure, characterized by tampering fines and odd roster construction, and it ended abruptly with him resigning in front of the media without telling Jeanie Buss first.
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Take Slip·Mar 10, 2017
#PMT-2017-0310-13288
Bill WaltonBill Walton

Performance-enhancing drug use in sports is the moral equivalent of Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme

I am opposed to performance-enhancing drug use because in competition where you have a level playing field because that world is the same as what Bernie Madoff did. Because Bernie Madoff, he lied. He cheated, he stole, and he bullied his way to the top.

This is a philosophical and moral judgment that cannot be verified as factually correct or incorrect.
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Take Slip·Mar 10, 2017
#PMT-2017-0310-13290
Bill WaltonBill Walton

Larry Bird is the greatest player I ever played with

Greatest player I ever played with... He made us all play better... Larry never got tired of just torching other people, and he's incredibly driven. He's a brilliant guy. He loves to portray himself as the hick from French Lick. Don't ever buy into that. This guy is so sharp, and so smart, and so pure.

Subjective opinion from a Hall of Famer who played with Bird.
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#PMT-2017-0310-13296
HankHank

Kevin Durant is a front-running coward and a baby back bitch

Kevin Durant, pros. He's probably top three NBA player, probably best scorer, pure scorer in the NBA. Cons, skinny knees, slouches, and is a coward, front-running coward, and a baby back bitch.

Entirely a subjective character judgment common in sports media at the time.
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Take Slip·Mar 10, 2017·Picks
#PMT-2017-0310-13297
Big CatBig Cat

We will at least triple our money betting on college basketball games in Las Vegas

Follow us tomorrow while we try to get rich... We're going to double at least, I'm going to say triple. Triple.

History suggests the 'Pardon My Take team' picks usually lose money, though the specific results of this 2017 day at William Hill aren't tracked here.
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Take Slip·Mar 8, 2017·Mvp Talk
#PMT-2017-0308-13742
Big CatBig Cat

Kevin Durant is the real NBA MVP because the Warriors are struggling without him

But you forgot the dark horse, the guy who gets injured, and the team's not as good, Kevin Durant. When he gets his knee injury and everyone says, well, look at the Warriors now. They're 2-2 since he got injured. Maybe he's the MVP, even though he's not going to play the entire season.

Durant did not win MVP; Russell Westbrook won it. Missing significant time usually disqualifies a player in the eyes of voters.
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Take Slip·Mar 8, 2017·Mvp Talk
#PMT-2017-0308-13740
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

James Harden's MVP argument is just that he isn't as terrible at defense as he used to be

Basically James Harden's whole argument is he's not as shitty at defense as he used to be. He tries a little bit on defense. Was he slow playing us this entire time? Like sitting and bagging us on defense and just waiting for a season to give half of a shit?

While Harden finished 2nd in MVP voting that year, the 'defensive improvement' narrative was indeed a major talking point in his 2017 campaign.
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Take Slip·Mar 8, 2017·NBA Talk
#PMT-2017-0308-13743
Big CatBig Cat

Dirk Nowitzki has one of the most underrated careers in NBA history

[Dirk Nowitzki] is by far one of the most underrated careers because you kind of just forgot about him after he won the finals but he has been like quietly incredible for so so long.

Dirk is widely regarded as a top-20 player and the greatest European player of his era, but the 'underrated' tag is a common sentiment among basketball purists.
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Take Slip·Mar 8, 2017
#PMT-2017-0308-13748
Bill WaltonBill Walton

David Stern is the most important man in the history of basketball

David Stern, the most important man in the history of all basketball. He's PFT's size. Little tiny guy over here in a world built for preschool children, right? But here's David Stern, who never shot a basket, but he brought the business acumen... to use the NBA to make the world a better place.

Stern is objectively one of the most influential figures in sports history, though 'most important' is a subjective debate against figures like Naismith or Jordan.
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Take Slip·Mar 8, 2017·Hmm
#PMT-2017-0308-13753
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Lavar Ball is just the basketball version of Kris Jenner

That Lavar Ball is just the basketball Kris Jenner. I don't know what that means, but I'm into it. He is basically going to market his sons so relentlessly and throw them in our face.

Lavar Ball successfully utilized a reality-TV style media blitz to build a massive brand and secure high draft spots for Lonzo and Lamelo.
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Take Slip·Mar 6, 2017
#PMT-2017-0306-3980
Big CatBig Cat

Music and atmosphere in NBA arenas directly affects player rhythm and pace

It was like the sloppiest game ever, and that's not just because the Knicks are always sloppy, but it was like no one could get a rhythm... Then they put the music on in the second half, and the pace picked right up, and they almost hit the over... So it was clear that the music did actually affect the players.

While subjective, Draymond Green and other players agreed at the time that the lack of music felt 'trash' and disrupted the flow.
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Take Slip·Mar 6, 2017
#PMT-2017-0306-3984
Jay WilliamsJay Williams

I could still average 10 points and 5 assists in the NBA right now

I still play with pros all the time. There's moments where you watch guys who just got paid $60, $70, $80 million for having marginal numbers where I'm not going to sit there and tell you, I feel like I can get nine or ten points a game in the league. I feel like I can get four or five assists in a game.

Subjective because he never attempted a comeback at age 35, but historically, older players with major injuries struggle to maintain NBA pace.
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Take Slip·Mar 6, 2017
#PMT-2017-0306-3988
Big CatBig Cat

Michael Jordan could still average 15 points and 5 assists in the NBA right now

I don't want to say it, but I think he knows that I know that he knows he could probably still drop like 15 with maybe five assists a night in the NBA.

It is physically impossible for a 54-year-old, even the GOAT, to average 15/5 in the modern NBA.
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Take Slip·Mar 3, 2017
#PMT-2017-0303-17910
Big CatBig Cat

Kevin Durant will never be 100% for the rest of the season

I'm banking on Kevin Durant never being 100% for the rest of the year. Do you think the Warriors are now vulnerable, or is that just wishful thinking from someone who's a Warrior hater?

Durant returned for the final games of the regular season and won Finals MVP, looking very much 100%.
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Take Slip·Mar 3, 2017
#PMT-2017-0303-17912
Rachel NicholsRachel Nichols

Kevin Durant likely won't lose his shooting rhythm despite his injury

He actually has a history of coming back from injury pretty well... he doesn't seem to lose his shooting rhythm. The thing that's a question mark... is that if he is 5%, 10% off, that's where you could see a big turn... it just wrecks all their form.

Durant returned and was extremely efficient in the 2017 playoffs.
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Take Slip·Mar 3, 2017
#PMT-2017-0303-17914
Rachel NicholsRachel Nichols

Andrew Bogut joined the Cavs out of pettiness to beat the Warriors

The question to Andrew Bogut is, is he petty enough that he wants to go play for the Cavs just for the shot to upset or to beat the Warriors in the finals as opposed to collecting the extra $3 million that he could have gotten if he had gone to the Rockets? And the answer apparently is yes.

Bogut famously broke his leg 58 seconds into his Cavs debut, making the point moot, but the intention was verified.
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Take Slip·Mar 3, 2017
#PMT-2017-0303-17916
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James reading 'The Godfather' while walking is a calculated camera stunt

Did you see last night LeBron walking from the bus to the locker room reading The Godfather? And did you also think that was the lamest, most ridiculous thing you've ever seen in your entire life?... He was doing it for camera. He wasn't actually reading.

Subjective. While LeBron frequently poses with books, it's impossible to prove if he's 'actually' reading in that specific moment, though the public perception of it being a stunt is widely shared.
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Take Slip·Mar 3, 2017
#PMT-2017-0303-17918
Big CatBig Cat

DeMarcus Cousins will fail in New Orleans because he blames others for his problems

It does feel like he's the type of guy that blames everyone else for his problems because the refs are on him and his teammates stink... It feels like it's not going to work in New Orleans. It feels like he's that type of guy who's like, I'm so talented and the world kind of owes me something.

The Pelicans actually played well with Davis and Cousins together before Cousins tore his Achilles in Jan 2018. It 'failed' mostly due to injury rather than personality.
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Take Slip·Mar 3, 2017
#PMT-2017-0303-17920
Big CatBig Cat

The Chicago Bulls will beat the Warriors tonight on TNT and then lose to a bad team

They're going to beat the Warriors tonight. It's a home game on TNT on a Thursday night. The Bulls will beat the Warriors, and I will say the Bulls are back... and then they lose to some shitty-ass team.

The Bulls did indeed beat the Warriors 94-87 on March 2, 2017 (the night before/of the pod release) and then lost to the 76ers and Magic shortly after.
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#PMT-2017-0303-17925
Big CatBig Cat

Deron Williams was signed by the Cavs just so LeBron could have another person to blame

LeBron blames. Deron Williams is on his team. He missed a huge wide-open three against the Celtics... I think Deron Williams was signed with the Cavs just so LeBron could have another person to blame.

Williams struggled significantly in the 2017 Finals, and LeBron critics did indeed use him as a scapegoat for poor bench play.
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Take Slip·Mar 1, 2017
#PMT-2017-0301-12791
Jay WrightJay Wright

The New York Knicks are the NBA team I would coach (kidding)

[What NBA team would you coach?] The Knicks. Madison Square Garden. But we're kidding, of course, because I don't want to leave.

Wright never coached in the NBA, retiring from Villanova in 2022.
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#PMT-2017-0301-12796
HankHank

Paul Pierce was a loser before Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen arrived

Draymond came over the top today and said, people tend to forget that [Pierce] was struggling to get to the playoffs. He was on the trade block every year, then all of a sudden Ray Allen and KG showed up. Let's not forget that.

Pierce did have some early success (2002 ECF), but the team was 24-58 the year before the trades.
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Take Slip·Feb 27, 2017
#PMT-2017-0227-12947
Matt JonesMatt Jones

John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins will eventually play together in the NBA

I actually think there's a decent – I think [John Wall] and [DeMarcus Cousins] will play together before they're done. They've been saying that for years.

John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins did eventually team up on the Houston Rockets during the 2020-21 season.
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#PMT-2017-0227-12951
Big CatBig Cat

Shaquille O'Neal is a victim of 'athlete funny' and is not actually humorous

Shaq has always been a victim of athlete funny. Where someone in the locker room once told Shaq he was funny, and he has gone with that throughout his whole career thinking he is actually humorous, and people want to hear Shaq tell jokes when in reality he's not funny.

This is a subjective assessment of Shaq's comedic talent.
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#PMT-2017-0227-12953
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

LaVar Ball is like a bird that sits on a rhino and shits everywhere

[Lonzo Ball's] father is going to be over his shoulder the whole time. His father is like one of those birds that sits on the back of a rhino and shits everywhere. That's what he's going to be.

This is a subjective comedic analogy.
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Take Slip·Feb 24, 2017
#PMT-2017-0224-8297
Big CatBig Cat

The Bulls front office members Gar Forman and John Paxson are morons for their trade deadline approach

The Bulls, my Bulls made a trade, and they're morons per usual. They're doing the old, we're trying to rebuild on the fly, which has never worked... Doug McDermott and Taj Gibson to the Thunder is not a Woj bomb. That's just a guard and Pax are fucking morons.

Forman and Paxson were eventually fired in 2020 after years of stagnant performance, validating the 'moron' sentiment among fans.
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Take Slip·Feb 24, 2017
#PMT-2017-0224-8299
HankHank

The Celtics will lose in the second round because they shoot too many threes and miss

I mean, I would have liked Butler or Paul George... They're rumored to get everyone, and they get no one... They're going to lose in the second round because they're going to shoot a million threes and miss.

The 2016-17 Celtics actually made it to the Eastern Conference Finals, where they lost to the Cavaliers, meaning they exceeded Hank's second-round exit prediction.
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Take Slip·Feb 22, 2017
#PMT-2017-0222-13072
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Warriors vs. Pelicans first-round series will be lame because Draymond Green will just punch Boogie Cousins in the dick

So what you're going end up seeing here is the Warriors taking on the Pelicans in the first round... I'm here to tell you that it's not [going to be awesome]. It's going to be lame. Draymond Green, all he does is punch people in the dick, and getting punched in the dick is real weakness in [Boogie Cousins'] game.

The Pelicans finished 10th in the West and missed the playoffs entirely in 2017.
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Take Slip·Feb 22, 2017
#PMT-2017-0222-13073
Big CatBig Cat

Jimmy Butler is an incredible bargain because he signed his max contract before the salary cap spiked

I dropped Jimmy Butler contract truth, because Jimmy Butler is actually a great deal. He signed the max contract before the new salary cap, so he's going to be cheap for the next three years.

Butler signed a 5-year, $95M deal in 2015; by 2017 standards, this was considered high value relative to the new cap.
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#PMT-2017-0222-13080
Big CatBig Cat

Magic Johnson will be a successful Lakers president as long as they win games

The Lakers magic is going to do a good job if the Lakers win basketball games... I think he's also going to do a good job if he gets good players on the Lakers.

OpinionBasketballMildSarcastic
Magic eventually resigned in 2019 after a tumultuous and largely unsuccessful tenure.
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Take Slip·Feb 20, 2017
#PMT-2017-0220-13505
Big CatBig Cat

Kyrie Irving's flat earth comments were just a headline grab or a prank on the media

[Kyrie Irving] was doing this for headlines. I can't decide if it's either a headline for the podcast... or if it was simply all the NBA players getting together and being like, let's prank the media, let's fuck with them.

Kyrie eventually apologized in 2018 for the comments, admitting he was into conspiracy theories but that he shouldn't have said it, suggesting he was somewhat sincere at the time, not just pranking.
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Take Slip·Feb 20, 2017·PR 101
#PMT-2017-0220-13514
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Dunk Contest is boring because there are a finite amount of body positions possible

It's not like the dunks aren't super impressive. It's just that we've seen every dunk. It's like watching porn. There's a finite amount of body positions that the human form can get into. Eventually, you just get bored with it.

This is a subjective opinion on entertainment fatigue.
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#PMT-2017-0220-13513
Big CatBig Cat

Carmelo Anthony's legacy is choosing the most money over winning championships

Thoughts and prayers to the man [Carmelo Anthony] who has taken every single dollar at every turn in his career instead of maybe trying to win a championship... He took the most amount of money to stay in the dumpster fire that is New York. That's kind of your situation, Melo.

This is a subjective interpretation of Anthony's career choices and legacy.
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Take Slip·Feb 17, 2017
#PMT-2017-0217-5920
Big CatBig Cat

Kobe Bryant failed in his attempt to copy Michael Jordan's entire career

Do you ever sit back and you are like, damn, Kobe Bryant tried to copy everything Michael Jordan did and he totally failed?

While Kobe modeled his game after Jordan, 'totally failed' is a subjective and highly debatable assessment of a five-time champion.
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Take Slip·Feb 17, 2017
#PMT-2017-0217-5921
Ice CubeIce Cube

Magic Johnson is the greatest basketball player and the number one Laker of all time

Magic Johnson. Without a doubt. He's the number one basketball... him and Larry Bird, they are the NBA. Magic and Bird put NBA in prime time.

The GOAT debate and franchise rankings are subjective opinions.
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#PMT-2017-0215-16896
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

LeBron James is a coward for not participating in the NBA Dunk Contest

LeBron James that's not in the dunk contest again. Kind of a coward move. Michael Jordan was in the dunk contest. Back in the day, you had your best athletes in it. Vince Carter. You had your Vinces, your J.R. Smiths. You had everybody.

LeBron James never participated in the NBA Slam Dunk Contest during his career, making PFT's claim about him avoiding it factually accurate and his opinion on the matter subjective but persistent.
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Take Slip·Feb 15, 2017
#PMT-2017-0215-16898
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Luke Walton was a better coach for the Golden State Warriors than Steve Kerr

I would actually say [the Warriors are] Luke Walton's team. People forget he was their coach in the first half last year. They were a lot better then.

While Walton did have a historic start as interim coach, Steve Kerr is widely recognized as the architect of the dynasty. This is a satirical take on coaching credit.
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Take Slip·Feb 15, 2017
#PMT-2017-0215-16900
Trill WithersTrill Withers

The Houston Rockets got 100 times better simply by letting Dwight Howard leave

I went Dwight Howard. Like, he just left, and [the Rockets] got 100 times better. Addition by subtraction. I love it.

The 2016-17 Rockets did improve significantly without Howard, winning 55 games compared to 41 the previous year, though the addition of Mike D'Antoni and James Harden's shift to PG were major factors.
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#PMT-2017-0213-15783
Big CatBig Cat

Joel Embiid will stop being funny on Twitter when he starts playing poorly or getting hurt more

I predicted like a month ago how Joel would not be so funny on Twitter when he starts fucking up. So this is the first one. He's injured like every other day. He's got a lot of time to go back and forth. Take away his umlaut over the Joel. You're just Joel now.

Fans and media have frequently turned on Embiid's online antics during his many injury absences in the playoffs and regular season.
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#PMT-2017-0213-15784
Big CatBig Cat

Rajon Rondo passes up easy layups specifically to hunt for assists

You know what Rondo does that's so fucking annoying? Everything, but he also loves, loves, loves to pass up super easy layups just to get assists. He's the worst with that. He did that today when the Bulls got smoked by the Wolves. He was ready to go for a layup, and then he passed it for a three-pointer. Dude, just fucking shoot the layup. Stop trying to get assists.

This was a widely observed 'Rondo-ism' noted by many analysts and fans during his tenure with several teams.
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Take Slip·Feb 10, 2017
#PMT-2017-0210-654
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Grayson Allen will be a first-round NBA draft pick

Were we saying before that Grayson Allen's going to be a top 10 pick? Top first round pick? No. He's going to be first round pick. Maybe very, very late.

Grayson Allen was drafted 21st overall (first round) by the Utah Jazz in the 2018 NBA Draft.
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Take Slip·Feb 10, 2017
#PMT-2017-0210-647
Big CatBig Cat

James Dolan planted security to get Charles Oakley banned from MSG

I think it's James Dolan continues to disrespect the Garden by putting out awful teams and not caring. And I think, stay woke, that was all a plant to get him [Oakley] banned from the Garden forever because if you noticed, it was security guards all around him. He got mad because I think that's just Charles Oakley's resting heartbeat.

While Dolan did ban Oakley, there's no evidence it was a premeditated 'plant' rather than a spontaneous confrontation, though Dolan's management of the situation was widely criticized.
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#PMT-2017-0208-19542
Big CatBig Cat

Phil Jackson is only at the Knicks because James Dolan is a sucker

I respect [Phil Jackson] for spotting the sucker in the room and basically saying, oh, James Dolan wants me to come and work for him, and I don't have to move, and I don't have to do anything, and he's going to pay me millions of dollars. What's the worst going to happen?

Jackson's tenure as Knicks President was widely considered a failure; he was fired in June 2017, just months after this episode.
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#PMT-2017-0208-19545
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Cavaliers are now Kyrie Irving's team, not LeBron James'

Kyrie hit the big shot. You know why? So now here's the question. This is Kyrie's team.

Hot TakeBasketballHotSarcastic
While Kyrie was a superstar, it was widely acknowledged as LeBron's team until he left in 2018. Kyrie himself requested a trade later that year precisely because he wanted to lead his own team.
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#PMT-2017-0208-19549
HankHank

The Celtics will win the title because Tom Brady texted Isaiah Thomas

He [Brady] went out of his way to text Isaiah Thomas... and say, it's your turn. ... I think when someone like Tom Brady can reach it out to you, that can really [lead to a title].

The Celtics did not win the title; they lost to the Cavaliers in the 2017 Eastern Conference Finals.
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Take Slip·Feb 6, 2017
#PMT-2017-0206-11572
Jim RomeJim Rome

Michael Jordan is better than LeBron James because he has the clutch gene

LeBron is a fraud. He's a hot fraud. Michael Jordan's all that. He's an all that guy. Get your 32, 11, 6, bank it. More importantly, clutch gene.

This is the eternal NBA GOAT debate and cannot be definitively proven.