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Jerry Rice, Russ Wilson MVP + Guys on Chicks

Wednesday, November 13, 201922 takes

Russ Wilson MVP tour continues and the NFC race is heating up. Was the MNF crew too mean to the Niners kicker. Pete Carroll twin update ( - ). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Hank's fantasy lost and Jeffery Epstein conspiracies going too far ( - ). Hall of Famer Jerry Rice joins the show to talk about his career, his insane training, catching bricks, chasing horses, and how fantasy would have changed how people viewed him. Segments include way to stay relevant baseball for the Astros cheating, trouble in paradise skip bayless and guys on chicks.

Jerry Rice on Chasing Horses, Bricks, and the MVP Race

The San Francisco 49ers finally have a blemish on their record after a Monday Night Football classic that had everything: missed kicks, overtime drama, and Russell Wilson cementing himself as the clear leader for the hardware. Big Cat and PFT are fully bought into the let Russ cook movement, even if the overtime period felt like it lasted three days.

Loss
Nov 13, 2019
#27404
Big CatBig Cat

Russell Wilson is currently at the forefront of the NFL MVP race.

Russell Wilson [is] the MVP now, forefront of the MVP race. Even though he threw that interception and over time, the people are just forgetting... Russell Wilson is fucking ridiculous.

Lamar Jackson won the 2019 NFL MVP unanimously; Russell Wilson finished second in voting.

While the Niners suffered their first loss, the real story was the absence of their star tight end. Big Cat isn't interested in a debate over the position right now.

Void
Nov 13, 2019
#6602
Big CatBig Cat

George Kittle is the best tight end in the NFL

They were missing George Kittle though... that is a big loss because he's probably the best tight end in the NFL.

Kittle was an All-Pro in 2019, making this a highly defensible and common elite ranking at the time.

There was also some serious tension regarding Monday night etiquette. Big Cat believes that once Sunday ends, you have to transition into being a productive member of society, while PFT thinks the work week requires a more liquid transition.

Void
Nov 13, 2019
#6603
Big CatBig Cat

Monday night is for cleaning up your life, not drinking and eating wings

I'm more confused to your Monday night like Monday night is for watching football and cleaning up your life not drinking and eating what planet are you? Monday night is not your get your act together sitting at home watching money. Football with beers and wings. That's the cleanup game brother.

This is a subjective lifestyle preference.
Void
Nov 13, 2019
#6604
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Monday night is for easing yourself back into the work week with beers

Incorrect Monday night is ease yourself back into the work week taper off from your Sunday and your Saturday. I'm drinking.

Subjective lifestyle preference.

The GOAT in Studio

Jerry Rice joined the show for an incredible look back at his career, and the man is still as competitive as he was in 1985. He confirmed the legends about his training, from catching bricks thrown by his brother to chasing down a horse named Pete in rural Mississippi just to get some cardio in. When it comes to his dominance, Jerry credited his fear as much as his hands.

Loss
Nov 13, 2019
#6610
Jerry RiceJerry Rice

I was running 4.2-second 40-yard dashes during games because I was scared

Probably doing a football game, I was running 4.2s... Because I was scared and I use that I used that to my advantage. Now if you lie me up just to run a straight 40, I'm not gonna run a good time.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.71-second 40-yard dash at the 1985 NFL Combine. While game speed differs from track speed, a 4.2-second 40 is faster than the all-time NFL record and is physically impossible for someone with Rice's biomechanics.

We also got a look into the technical side of the position. Jerry explained that catching passes from Steve Young was a complete adjustment because the ball simply moves differently coming from a southpaw.

Void
Nov 13, 2019
#27412
Jerry RiceJerry Rice

It is harder to catch a spiral from a left-handed quarterback than a right-handed one.

It is harder to catch a spiral from a lefty. The ball spins a different direction. I had a trainer that was a lefty and he threw me so many balls... I had never caught a ball from a lefty and I had to retrain. It just became natural eventually.

This is a subjective experience from one of the greatest catchers of all time.

Despite being retired for years, the fire hasn't gone out. Jerry looked at the current Niners roster and offered his services if Kyle Shanahan needs a veteran presence who can still give you a solid 80 receptions.

Loss
Nov 13, 2019
#27410
Jerry RiceJerry Rice

I could still come back and catch 80 passes for the 49ers today.

I still got about 80 catches in me. So if the 49ers have a couple injuries, they can call me. I really do think I still could get out there. I played for over 20 years and I can still block [the pain] out and still play.

While Rice is the greatest receiver ever, an 80-catch season at age 57 is physically impossible.

Hot Seat/Cool Throne

Hot Seat is heating up for Freddie Kitchens, mostly because history is a flat circle for Browns head coaches who have to play the Steelers twice. PFT has the data to back up the impending doom.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Freddie Kitchens will be fired after his second game against the Steelers

My other hot seat is Freddie Kitchens because according to sabermetrics he's going to be fired this week... I looked up the exact stat Romeo Crennel Eric Mangini Pat Shurmur Rod Chudzinski and Mike Pettine were all fired after their second Steelers game and Hue Jackson. So we wait this wouldn't be this week then it would be in three weeks when he plays his second. Yeah so he is officially on the hot seat.

Freddie Kitchens was fired following the conclusion of the 2019 season (Week 17), shortly after his second game against the Steelers (Week 13).

Big Cat brought some serious "stay woke" energy to the Jeffrey Epstein situation, floating a theory involving decoy bodies and the Clinton family tree that is almost too internet-brained to be false.

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Big CatBig Cat

Jeffrey Epstein is alive and the Clintons used Hillary's brother's body as a decoy

The newest Jeffrey Epstein theory out there, he's not dead He's Alive and the clintons used Hillary's brother... who died six months ago as the body for Jeffrey Epstein which they never did a DNA test.

This is a wild conspiracy theory with no factual basis.

Meanwhile, the Houston Astros are in the middle of a PR nightmare following reports of trash-can-banging and camera-assisted sign-stealing. The guys are disgusted by the blatant cheating, though PFT found a way to make it look even better for the 2019 champs.

Win
Big CatBig Cat

The Astros' sign-stealing is blatant cheating and disgusting

The Astros have been cheating and cheating a lot... it's blatant cheating. There's I like baseball when there is like a little He's been ship a little this little that... but this seems like they were actually using high like high-tech cameras in the Outfield yet relaying it to The Dugout and real time... which is so blatant lie cheat ice gusting.

The MLB investigation confirmed the Astros used a camera system and trash-can banging to steal signs in 2017.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Astros scandal makes the Nationals' 2019 World Series win more impressive

This makes the Nationals world series title even more impressive. Yeah the fact that they were able to beat him. While they're eating Cheetos... 60% of the Astros runs were scored in the first inning before the Nationals would change how they were doing their signs.

Subjective interpretation of the difficulty of winning against a cheating opponent.

Guys on Chicks and Closers

We wrapped things up with a classic Guys on Chicks segment. The guys weighed in on everything from Mormon dating rituals to why men feel the need to include professional cheerleaders in their dating profiles. Big Cat also offered some job security for a listener's boyfriend who spends his nights screaming at middle schoolers on Call of Duty.

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Big CatBig Cat

A boyfriend yelling at kids on Call of Duty shows passion and means he's a keeper.

Keep him. I think it shows he's got passion. If he wasn't swearing at people, that means he would be good at Call of Duty and that means that he puts in way too much time. You want your boyfriend in that perfect zone where he wants to play video games but then gets smoked so bad that he's like 'Fuck this, I'm out.'

Relationship advice is inherently subjective.

If you aren't chasing a horse for two hours today, you simply aren't working hard enough.

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Void
Nov 13, 2019
#27405
Big CatBig Cat

Russell Wilson is the one player I would trust most with the ball late in a game.

He is for my money the number one guy and I know it kind of spits in the face of the fact that he threw an interception. He is the one guy who I would want trust the most with the ball down late in the game.

Wilson's clutchness is a matter of opinion, though he lead the NFL in fourth-quarter comebacks in 2019.
Win
Nov 13, 2019
#27406
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Robert Saleh will be a head coach because he has a 'hold back guy'.

Robert Saleh... he's going to be a head coach not because he's necessarily great at defensive coordinating but because he has a hold back guy. Anytime your defensive coordinator has a hold back guy, you look at that and you say he will be a head coach one day.

Robert Saleh was hired as the head coach of the New York Jets in January 2021.
Open
Big CatBig Cat

Gender reveals will backfire in 15 years when children see their parents' disappointed reactions to their sex.

I have a theory that we're going to reach a point in society and probably 15 years where this whole wave of gender reveals going to come back to bite everyone in the ass... they grow up and they have the ability to go online and they see their video and they're like, 'oh so you didn't want me? You wanted me something else.'

This is a long-term social prediction that is currently subjective but potentially verifiable as that generation comes of age.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Jackass is the greatest humor of all time.

Jackass is the greatest humor of all time when they fart baby powder in each other's faces... so fucking funny and I'm not being sarcastic whatsoever. Jackass is a masterpiece.

The quality of humor is entirely subjective.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Patrick Mahomes has officially let the Bears off the hook for passing on him by liking a tweet defending the Mitchell Trubisky pick.

Patrick Mahomes liked that tweet... Patrick Mahomes is basically letting Ryan Pace off the hook. He has acknowledged that it was not the right choice for him to be drafted by the Bears and go to Chicago and get ruined.

This is a satirical interpretation of social media activity by a frustrated fan.
Void
Nov 13, 2019
#6608
Jerry RiceJerry Rice

I would have cut my own finger off like Ronnie Lott to avoid missing any playing time

They told me that story man and I was like, wow, did he actually do that? For real? For real? Did he didn't want to miss any time. So he decided to tell them to just you know, nip the edge... [Big Cat: Would you have done the same?] Without any hesitation. No. Okay. There you go.

This is a subjective claim about his own dedication.
Void
Nov 13, 2019
#27411
Jerry RiceJerry Rice

Modern NFL players do not commit to their craft as hard as players did in the past.

I think players, they thought I was crazy and they don't have to do [that training] anymore. It's a lot different now and I think guys they just don't—maybe that's not right for me to say—they just don't commit to their craft like we did back in the day.

The comparative work ethic of different eras is an unprovable opinion.
Void
Nov 13, 2019
#6612
Jerry RiceJerry Rice

Walter Payton is the greatest football player in Mississippi history

All time I love I love sweetness. Okay. Number one. I will say then myself. [Big Cat: That's a very smart classy move].

This is a subjective ranking of legends.
Loss
Nov 13, 2019
#27413
Jerry RiceJerry Rice

I am way above stickum accusations; I played the game the right way.

I'm not even gonna respond to [stickum] because I'm way above that. My thing is I played the game the right way and hopefully I was able to entertain a lot of people and I had fun and that's it. People going to have their own opinions and I feel like I'm way above that.

Rice admitted to using stickum on his gloves during his playing career in a 2015 video for ESPN, contradicting his stance here.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Having pictures with professional cheerleaders on your dating profile is a normal way for guys to show they can act around attractive women.

Taking pictures with professional cheerleaders... and slapping that all over every single social media thing that you have is just part of being a guy. You want to show that you know how to act normal around attractive women, even if they were paid to be there.

This is a humorous commentary on dating app tropes.

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