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Monday, November 6, 201719 takes

NFL Week 9 Fastest 2 minutes with our old friend Angelo Palantonio ( - ). Recap of the weekend of Football ( - ). Who's Back of the Week ( - ). Football guy of the week including PJ Fleck and Coach O ( - ). Mike Pereira joins us to talk about the weekend of football, how replay is hurting the game, and whether the NFL will ever apologize for the Zach Miller catch ( - ). Oakland Raiders Offensive Lineman Marshall Newhouse calls in after Sunday Night Football to give us a play by play of his now famous helicopter fumble ( - ). Segments include Mike Greenbergs dumb rules, Put one in his earhole for Leonard Fournette, Connect the Dots Pizza Wars, and trouble in paradise for the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Mike Pereira on NFL Replay and Marshall Newhouse's Helicopter Fumble

Week 9 in the NFL was a total dumpster fire, but Big Cat and PFT are here to sift through the wreckage. After a truly bizarre weekend where Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage played a game of "who can be worse" on the Red Zone channel, the hierarchy of the league is starting to look very top-heavy. While the rest of the league descends into chaos, the cream is rising to the top in a way that feels very familiar.

Win
Nov 6, 2017
#18436
Big CatBig Cat

The only consistent teams you can trust in the NFL are the Eagles and the Patriots

The only two consistents are the Patriots and the Eagles. So the only two teams at this point in the season where you can confidently say I would trust those teams.

The Eagles and Patriots both finished 13-3 and met in Super Bowl LII, confirming they were indeed the class of the league.

Big Cat also gave some flowers to New Orleans, even if he did bury them about a month ago.

Win
Nov 6, 2017
#18437
Big CatBig Cat

The Saints are a really good football team

The Saints are really, really good. And I think it helped that they were playing against Jameis Winston today... the only two teams at this point in the season where you can confidently say I would trust those teams [Eagles and Patriots] and maybe the Saints.

The Saints finished 11-5, won the NFC South, and reached the Divisional Round, proving they were a top-tier team.

While some teams are ascending, others are embracing the darkness. The Falcons are still wearing their Super Bowl shame like a heavy coat, and the situation in New York is even bleaker. Big Cat didn't hold back on the Giants after their latest pathetic showing.

Win
Nov 6, 2017
#18439
Big CatBig Cat

The Giants have officially quit on the season

The Giants have officially quit. That team does not give a fuck. No. And they're doing the old, like, no one wants to tackle anyone. They're basically playing, the rest of the season for the Giants is basically the Pro Bowl for them.

The Giants finished with their worst record since 2003 and fired their coach mid-season, confirming they had effectively given up.

Mike Pereira and the Replay Nightmare

Former VP of Officiating Mike Pereira joined the show to discuss why everyone is mad at the refs. He didn't hold back on the NFL's refusal to admit they blew the Zach Miller catch in New Orleans, calling the league's defense of the call "laughable." The guys discussed the dangerous trend of getting too technical with high-speed video, leading PFT to suggest a very specific limit on how officials use technology.

Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

NFL officials should be limited to 30 seconds of slow-motion replay per game

In the course of any game, the officials should only get like 30 seconds worth of slow-mo that they can use. And so you got to use it smart. It's like Turbo and NBA Jam.

The NFL has not implemented time limits on slow-motion usage during reviews.

Pereira confirmed that the technicality of the catch rule is ruining the fan experience, noting that even internally, people in New York know they messed up the Miller play. He even dropped a bombshell about how the review process should have actually worked if the call on the field had been different.

Win
Nov 6, 2017
#24645
Mike PereiraMike Pereira

If the Zach Miller catch had been ruled incomplete on the field, replay would have reversed it to a touchdown

I'll say it one more time, and here it is. If they had ruled that on the field as incomplete, both Dean Blandino and myself would have reversed it to a touchdown.

As a former head of officiating and top expert, Pereira's internal logic on how he and Blandino would have ruled constitutes a correct fact about their own methodology.

Beyond just catches, the conversation shifted to the college game, where Pereira noted that targeting calls are skyrocketing. He believes the current system is actually hurting the product by dragging out games and resulting in questionable ejections that officials are too scared to overturn.

Win
Nov 6, 2017
#18443
Mike PereiraMike Pereira

Targeting fouls in college football are up 40% this year and it is hurting the game

The rule makers have to be concerned when they look at the fact that the number of fouls for targeting are up 40% this year. I mean, that's a big number. That's a big number that leads to longer games and really more questionable decisions.

NCAA statistics from the 2017 season confirmed a significant spike in targeting ejections compared to 2016.

Marshall Newhouse: The Flying Raider

In one of the most electric moments in show history, Oakland Raiders offensive lineman Marshall Newhouse called in just hours after his legendary "helicopter" fumble on Sunday Night Football. Watching a man of that size take flight is the reason we watch football, and Marshall was a great sport about the whole thing, admitting that things go south very quickly when you're a fat guy who doesn't regularly handle the ball.

Who’s Back and Pizza Wars

Who's Back featured a heated debate on whether snow football is officially back (it is) and Hank declaring that the U has regained its swagger. Between the black jerseys and the turnover chain, Miami is finally embracing their inner villain again.

Loss
Nov 6, 2017·Who's Back
#24643
HankHank

The Miami Hurricanes are officially back

The U is back. They had the black jerseys, which was just unreal. Dominated Virginia Tech. And the fans... there was multiple incidents of fans fighting police, fans fighting each other. Police fighting fans. That's back. The U's got all their swagger back.

The Hurricanes lost their final three games of the 2017 season (Pitt, Clemson, Wisconsin) and returned to mediocrity shortly after.

The guys also connected some very greasy dots regarding the NFL's ongoing drama with Papa John. PFT is convinced that Jerry Jones is using his power as a major franchise owner to leverage the pizza mogul against Roger Goodell.

Push
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Papa John and Jerry Jones are conspiring to get Roger Goodell fired

Papa John is running the NFL... He wants to get Roger Goodell fired... Jerry Jones is the leading franchise owner of Papa John's Pizzas... he's teaming up with Papa John to go after Goodell... trying to convince other sponsors to take money away from the NFL, therefore sinking Roger Goodell as commissioner.

Jerry Jones did lead an effort to block Goodell's contract extension around this time, and Papa John's did blame the NFL for declining sales.

To wrap things up, the crew checked in on the drama in Cleveland. Between Dwyane Wade calling out starters and the ever-present shadow of the Kardashian curse, the Cavs are providing plenty of entertainment despite their early-season struggles. Big Cat has a theory that LeBron is simply using his best friend as a proxy for his own frustrations.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James is using Dwyane Wade as a mouthpiece for his callouts of teammates

I like what Dwyane Wade's doing because now we see AI, the evolution of technology. LeBron no longer has to subtweet. He can just use Dwyane Wade as a little ventriloquist.

This is a subjective interpretation of team dynamics and media strategy.

At the end of the day, at least Dwyane Wade gets to go home to Gabrielle Union and whatever specific activities he definitely didn't want to talk about on Twitter.

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Win
Nov 6, 2017
#24642
Big CatBig Cat

The Falcons' Super Bowl hangover is real

The Falcons, Super Bowl hangover, real. Not to brag, but we called that. Remember over the summer when they had a rash of articles that were like, hey, these Falcons, they're going to bounce back... they've put it behind them, which is exactly what someone who is rattled by the Super Bowl would say. And it's proving true with how shitty they play week in and week out.

The 2017 Falcons went 10-6 and lost in the Divisional Round, a significant regression from their record-breaking 2016 offensive performance.
Win
Nov 6, 2017
#18438
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Kirk Cousins earns $7 million for every half-decent throw

Kirk Cousins makes himself about $7 million for every half-decent throw that he has in a game. So he'll suck for a good three quarters, and then he'll have two good intermediate passes, and you're like, okay, yeah, somebody's going to pay him $25 million next year.

While the $7m per throw is hyperbole, Cousins did sign a record-setting $84 million fully guaranteed contract the following offseason.
Win
Nov 6, 2017
#18440
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Since appearing on Pardon My Take, Jared Goff has the best stats of any NFL quarterback

I'm just going to say this. Since appearing on Pardon My Take, Jared Goff has the best stats of any NFL quarterback. Are we QB Whisperers?

Goff went from a disastrous rookie year to a Pro Bowl season in 2017 with 28 TDs and 7 INTs.
Win
Nov 6, 2017·Who's Back
#18441
Big CatBig Cat

Lane Kiffin definitely knows the spread and plays to it

I've said this for many years, that Lane Kiffin is one of the only coaches that I will put my fucking life on it, that he knows the spread and plays to the spread. He used to do it at Tennessee, too, where he would go for two in random spots. I know Lane Kiffin knows the spread.

Kiffin has all but confirmed this over the years with his tweets and bizarre late-game decisions (e.g., the safety at the end of the 2017 WKU game).
Void
Nov 6, 2017·Who's Back
#24644
Big CatBig Cat

Robert Kraft is definitely a heavy emoji user in his text messages

Bob Kraft definitely uses emojis. Big time emoji guy. He probably does like the fist pound instead of saying like, you know, good call... He's got, he found poop, the poop emoji like six months ago. But with like 95 print font.

This is a subjective claim about personal texting habits that hasn't been publically verified.
Win
Nov 6, 2017
#18442
Mike PereiraMike Pereira

The NFL's decision to overturn Zach Miller's touchdown catch was close to laughable

They have officially tried to sell the fact that they were correct with their ruling on the field, which I'm sorry to say, but I don't want to call it laughable, but close to laughable... there's no part of that element of that play that is clear and obvious to overturn.

Pereira's view was the overwhelming consensus among experts and fans; the league's adherence to a technicality was widely criticized.
Void
Nov 6, 2017
#18444
Mike PereiraMike Pereira

Any potential player ejection in the NFL should be reviewable

I think that we are at the point in this game where any potential ejection ought to be reviewable... because if everything's about players' safety... then if there are egregious acts that don't get called, even if they get called and they're not ejected and should be, then I think replay ought to be able to jump in.

This remains a subjective matter of league policy, though the NFL has since expanded the 'SkyJudge' and replay roles in various ways.
Loss
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

NFL teams below .500 should be relegated to having Brock Osweiler as their quarterback

I think that any team in the NFL that finishes below .500 should be relegated to having Brock Osweiler as their quarterback for the next year. You have to overcome Brock to prove that you're ready to rejoin the big boys.

This is a satirical suggestion and did not happen.
Void
HankHank

The Kardashian curse is real and it claimed Tristan Thompson

Tristan Thompson never missed a game in his career. He got Khloe Kardashian pregnant, and now he's out a month... Kardashian curse.

The 'Kardashian Curse' is a subjective pop-culture theory, though Thompson did miss games for the first time after the relationship began.
Win
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

LeBron James is moving to Los Angeles in eight months

At the end of the day, [Dwayne Wade] and LeBron are moving to L.A. in like eight months. They've already packed their bags.

LeBron James signed with the Los Angeles Lakers on July 1, 2018—almost exactly eight months after this episode aired.

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