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Packers Fullback Danny Vitale + John Kuhn, Mike Florio on Helmetgate, And Mount Rushmore Of Colors

Monday, August 19, 201919 takes

We survived the last weekend without meaningful Football. Eli Manning has a job for life ( - ). Who's back of the week including Big Cat's twitter meltdown ( - ). Mt Rushmore of colors ( - ). Packers fullback Danny Vitale and former fullback John Kuhn join the show to talk about Football, Meathead life, biggest hit they've ever taken, and why Fullbacks are the smartest players ( - ). Mike Florio joins the show to talk about Helmetgate and where the Raiders go from here. Peter King ate the trash, Kings stay Kings Marlins Man and Lenny Dykstra, Hurt or Injured Redskins entire medical staff, We read a headline, and a WILD Monday Reading.

Packers Fullbacks Danny Vitale & John Kuhn, Mike Florio on Helmetgate

We have officially survived the final weekend of the year without meaningful football, and the energy is high. While most people are worried about the state of the world, Big Cat is looking at the bright side: the football calendar is expanding so rapidly that we might eventually reach the promised land of 365-day coverage.

Push
Aug 19, 2019
#13493
Big CatBig Cat

Society will eventually reach a point where football is played every single day of the year

Eventually, we're going to get to a football season that just goes the entire calendar year, and I'm here for it.

The NFL calendar continues to expand with more games and spring leagues (XFL/USFL) provide year-round football options.

Before the real games start, we have to deal with the absolute sludge that is the current crop of preseason storylines. PFT is particularly unimpressed with the signal-caller battles currently taking place in training camps across the league.

Void
Aug 19, 2019
#13494
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NFL has the most boring quarterback controversies ever in 2019

This year, we've got the most boring quarterback controversies of all time, perhaps ever in the history of the NFL... Titans [Mariota/Tannehill], Dolphins [Fitzpatrick/Rosen].

Subjective opinion on the level of 'boredom' regarding training camp battles.

Of course, no preseason is complete without a delusional quote from the Giants front office. After Pat Shurmur suggested that Eli Manning is the starter because the owner says so, Big Cat had to step in and say what everyone else is thinking about the two-time Super Bowl MVP's current standing.

Win
Aug 19, 2019
#13495
Big CatBig Cat

Eli Manning is not a starting-caliber NFL quarterback anymore

Eli Manning's not a starting quarterback anymore. [Pat Shurmur] is saying Eli is our quarterback because John Mara is the owner.

Eli Manning was benched for Daniel Jones after Week 2 of the 2019 season, confirming the take.

Who's Back and Mount Rushmore of Colors

Hank tried to claim victory for the Patriots getting Josh Gordon back, even going so far as to bet his future on Gordon's availability. If the wideout doesn't make it through the season, the PMT studio might be getting a new feline mascot.

Loss
Aug 19, 2019·Who's Back
#13497
HankHank

Josh Gordon will be on the Patriots for the entire 2019 season

He's [been suspended] for zero weeks. [How many weeks will he be on the team?] All of them. [If he gets cut or leaves] Hank gets a cat.

Incorrect. Josh Gordon was placed on IR by the Patriots on October 23 and waived shortly after. He finished the season as a member of the Seattle Seahawks.

PFT's Who's Back was Bill Walton, who graced a White Sox-Angels broadcast with his presence. From admitting he's been dead for years to losing track of where fly balls land, Walton remains the gold standard for sports broadcasting.

Void
Aug 19, 2019·Who's Back
#13498
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Bill Walton should be the commentator for every sporting event televised

Bill Walton watching a baseball game is just, it's incredible. He should do way more games. I don't know why they haven't thought of this, but he should just do everything. When they do the Ocho on ESPN, it should just be Bill Walton.

Subjective opinion on entertainment value.

For the Mount Rushmore of Colors, the draft turned into a total mess of shades and pantones. Big Cat stayed true to his roots with a classic pick, though the debate over whether "Baby Blue" is actually "Carolina Blue" nearly derailed the segment.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

Carolina Blue is the best shade of blue

I'll go Carolina blue. Who doesn't love that? Baby blue. Also, a.k.a.

Subjective aesthetic preference.

Hank, true to his contrarian nature, decided that currency wasn't enough and went straight for the precious metals, arguing that gold simply hits different than cash. He also threw out a hot take regarding the best Starburst flavor that likely alienated half the audience.

Void
HankHank

Gold is more valuable than money

I'm going to go with something better than money, gold. [Gold is more valuable than money.] It is.

While gold has intrinsic value, money is the medium of exchange; the claim 'gold is better than money' is a philosophical/economic debate, but factually gold is a form of money/asset.
Void
HankHank

Orange is the best Starburst flavor

I will go with orange. Best Starburst flavor, color of fire, Charmander.

Candy flavor preference is entirely subjective.

To round out the draft, Big Cat went with a specific shade that only the true soda connoisseurs would appreciate, proving that Taco Bell’s marketing team has effectively colonized his brain.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

The color of Taco Bell's Baja Blast is a top-tier shade of greenish-blue

I had a better way to describe it. It is. It's a good color. I had it written down. The color of Baja Blast. That's my last pick. Baja Blast greenish blue.

Preference for aesthetic shades is subjective.

The Fullback Union: Danny Vitale and John Kuhn

Things got extremely meathead in the studio when current Packer Danny Vitale and legendary Packer John Kuhn stopped by. The interview started the only way a fullback interview can: comparing squat maxes. Kuhn noted that the modern Green Bay offense is moving away from the "face mask on face mask" violence of the past and into a more cerebral, versatile role.

Void
Aug 19, 2019
#25547
John KuhnJohn Kuhn

The 2019 Packers offense is set up perfectly for a versatile fullback like Danny Vitale

I told him, I did tell you this offense is set up sweet for [Danny Vitale]. I mean, his set of skills, you don't play Lorenzo Neal fullback anymore in the NFL... you're not just sledding downhill, smoking your face mask on another guy's face mask. You gotta be versatile. You gotta be able to catch 20 yard, 30 yard passes downfield and you gotta be able to run the football.

The take is inherently subjective as it assesses a player's fit within a scheme, but Vitale did see increased usage as a 'superback' early in the season before injuries slowed him down.

Danny Vitale, who has been putting up thirst traps on Instagram all summer, defended his vanity but also made sure to defend the intelligence of his position. He pushed back against the "dumb meathead" stereotype, explaining that fullbacks actually have more to memorize than almost anyone else on the field.

Void
Aug 19, 2019
#13501
Danny VitaleDanny Vitale

Fullbacks are among the smartest players on the football field

Fullbacks get the rap that we're not smart people. I think they're some of the fucking smartest guys on the football field because we got to know every line scheme whether it's a run game or pass game... know every single route because they'll spread you out.

Subjective player perspective on positional complexity.

Kuhn also shared some insight into the home-field advantage at Northwestern, explaining why the long grass in Evanston is the ultimate equalizer against speed demons who don't know how to handle "slow" conditions.

Void
Aug 19, 2019
#25548
John KuhnJohn Kuhn

Fast players are at a disadvantage in 'slow' conditions like the long grass at Northwestern's stadium

Fast guys don't know how to run in slow conditions... Slow guys know how to run slow conditions. If you slow down enough. We went down to Chicago one time with Ryan Grant, one of the fastest guys I've ever played with. He would get out of the backfield and just start stumbling... those fast guys, they just can't handle that grass being that long.

This is a subjective athletic theory common among players to explain home-field advantages like 'slow' turf or long grass.

Mike Florio and Helmetgate

Internet Dad Mike Florio joined the show to explain the absolute lunacy surrounding Antonio Brown and his refusal to wear a new helmet. According to Florio, this isn't just about safety; it's about a legalistic chess match where the league is moving the goalposts just to spite AB.

Void
Aug 19, 2019
#13503
Mike FlorioMike Florio

The NFL intentionally closed the helmet loophole to 'win' against Antonio Brown

At best, it's been horrible communication... At worst, I feel like they just want to win. They're just making it up as they go... once they recognized there was a loophole because they had failed to previously test the Schutt Air Advantage, they jammed that loophole shut to win.

This is an interpretation of the league's motives and private testing procedures.

The episode wrapped up with Peter King once again falling for a parody account on Twitter, proving that the veteran scribe shouldn't be allowed near a smartphone after his first glass of wine.

Void
Aug 19, 2019
#25553
Big CatBig Cat

Peter King should not be allowed to use Twitter after 6:00 PM because he keeps falling for fake news parody accounts

Peter KingRetweeted a parody account... and said, has any player ever done more to shoot his way out of town before ever playing a game there?... Peter King way to go man nothing like eating the trash... I don't think he should be allowed to be on, like, Twitter past 6 p.m.

The suggestion to ban King from Twitter is a joke, but the observation that King frequently falls for parody accounts is factual.

Make sure to watch out for those calendar invites to the next riot.

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More Takes

Loss
Aug 19, 2019
#13496
Big CatBig Cat

MLB should have its pros pitch to kids during the Little League World Series game

I wish they played on an actual Little League dimension field... Kids pitching, Paxton Lynch just went deep... Major League Baseball players hit it. Yes. And just have it be.

This obviously never happened as it would be a legal and safety nightmare.
Loss
Aug 19, 2019
#13502
Danny VitaleDanny Vitale

I will record 5+ touchdowns for the Packers in 2019

[He's going to score touchdowns. Oh, how many?] I put the over-under at five. [John Kuhn: All-time record for a superback].

Incorrect. Despite the optimism, Vitale finished the 2019 season with 0 touchdowns (0 rushing, 0 receiving).
Win
Aug 19, 2019
#25549
John KuhnJohn Kuhn

Aaron Rodgers tends to shun people and stop communicating during the NFL offseason

He'll shun you. Shun off, shun on. Yeah, he will. Yeah, it's like a fog mask. It's way true. He'll get you. It's usually in the offseason when he leaves Green Bay. I think his phone doesn't work from a different area.

This has been a widely reported trait of Rodgers' personality by various former teammates and media members over the years.
Void
Aug 19, 2019
#25550
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NFL should implement a 'fullback assist' as an official fantasy football statistic

We implemented a stat... a full-back assist. It's when you set a block on somebody and they score a touchdown. If they're lined up with a fullback and a running back within five yards, if the tailback scores a touchdown and you hit the block, then you get an assist, which is a stat that I feel like has been missing from the NFL for a very long time.

The NFL has not adopted this as an official stat, though advanced charting services like PFF have moved closer to this type of analysis.
Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Washington Redskins locker room is less safe than a WWI trench

You'd have better luck getting injured at the bottom of a trench in World War One than in that Redskins locker room right now with all the shit that's like creeping around.

Hyperbolic comparison for comedic effect.

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