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Raiders HC Antonio Pierce, The Jaguars Kid Who Got His Head Stuck In A Statue, Hard Knocks, Mt Rushmore of Tough Thing + Grit Questions With USC HC Eric Musselman

Wednesday, August 7, 202422 takes

Grit Week marches on and we’re all over the place on the bus (-). Hard Knocks episode 1 debuted and Big Cat has his guard up on Bears slander (-). We had an earthquake during the show. Olympics (-). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including White Sox winning a game and Brandon Aiyuk maybe getting traded (-). Mt Rushmore of tough things (-). Raiders Head Coach Antonio Pierce joins the show to talk about grit, getting the Head job, the 2007 Giants, what being born a Raider means and tons more (-). The kid who got his head stuck in the Jaguars statue in 1997 came to our meet and greet and we interviewed him to get the full story behind the iconic picture (-). We finish with Grit Questions with USC Head Coach Eric Musselman (-).

Raiders HC Antonio Pierce, Eric Musselman, and the Jacksonville Jaguar Statue Kid

Grit Week Day 3 finds the bus parked at USC, and the energy is a mix of high-intensity basketball drills and sleep-deprived delirium. Big Cat, PFT, and Hank are running on fumes, but football being back is the ultimate caffeine. The show kicks off with a breakdown of the Hard Knocks premiere featuring the Chicago Bears. Big Cat admits his guard is all the way up regarding any potential Caleb Williams slander, while PFT and Max are more than happy to poke the bear.

Hard Knocks and Bears Slander

Watching the first episode of Hard Knocks, Big Cat was hyper-fixated on how HBO decided to edit Caleb Williams' first practice. While PFT noticed the rookie's physical presence, Big Cat was busy defending him from the "grinder" jokes and making sure everyone knew that any rookie struggles are just part of the narrative.

Void
Aug 7, 2024
#11779
Big CatBig Cat

Caleb Williams having a fat ass is good for his power as a quarterback

Caleb Williams has aura. He's also got a fucking fat ass, which is good because that's the power to drive the football down the field. I want my quarterback to have a big ass drives the ball.

Big Cat's comment that Caleb Williams' 'fat ass' is good for quarterback power is a humorous subjective opinion, not a verifiable prediction.

Max couldn't help but point out the irony of Nick Saban being brought in as the sage of quarterback development. While Saban is the GOAT, Max isn't convinced his track record with signal-callers in the NFL or even at Alabama is as flawless as the documentary suggests.

Void
Aug 7, 2024
#11781
MaxMax

Nick Saban does not have a great track record for developing quarterbacks

Nick Saban not a great track record when developing quarterbacks. He's not a QB whisperer. They were just like showing Nick Saban as like this wise, like tell all Coach, which he is. But if you were to say one thing about Nick Saban it, that he is not like a quarterback whisperer.

Saban has produced several NFL starters (Tua, Hurts, Mac Jones, Bryce Young), though their success varies. It's largely a matter of opinion.

PFT was also quick to call out the "Peyton Manning Logic" that Saban used to soothe the Bears' concerns about interceptions. It’s the ultimate security blanket for any struggling rookie, and PFT isn't buying it as a valid statistical trend.

Void
Aug 7, 2024
#11783
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Using Peyton Manning's bad rookie year to justify other rookie QBs struggling is dumb logic

To see Nick Saban use that same dumb logic was awesome. Every single person has been using that since Peyton Manning being like, if you a rookie sucks. You're like, well, Peyton Manning sucked.

This is a logical critique of a common statistical outlier argument.

Hot Seat/Cool Throne and Olympics

Hank’s Hot Seat is the New England Patriots, specifically the realization that the Brandon Aiyuk dream might be dead. The rumors of Aiyuk heading to the Steelers or Browns are heating up, and it seems the lure of Foxborough isn't what it used to be.

Win
HankHank

Brandon Aiyuk does not want to come to the Patriots

Brandon Aiyuk rumors were were hustling and bustling... a report came out today, which isn't official that it's gonna happen with the Steelers. I think it means he doesn't want to come [to the Patriots].

Aiyuk eventually stayed with the 49ers after the Patriots reportedly pulled out because Aiyuk wouldn't commit to a long-term deal there.

Over in the Olympic world, Noah Lyles is taking victory laps after his photo-finish gold medal. While some critics are arguing that winning by half a fingernail shouldn't count for much, Big Cat is firmly on the side of the fastest man in the world.

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Big CatBig Cat

Noah Lyles has every right to brag about being the fastest man on Earth after winning Olympic gold

She had a take, can you really brag about being the fastest person on earth if you win a race by 0.005 seconds?... I think [Noah Lyles] can if you win the gold medal.

This is a matter of opinion regarding the prestige of Olympic victory and semantics of 'fastest'.

The guys also touched on Kyle Kuzma's early morning social media activity, with Big Cat questioning the timing of his digital wandering.

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Big CatBig Cat

Following porn stars at 8 AM is way too early to be that horny

[Kyle Kuzma] waking up this morning... Kyle Kuzma is now following Ms. Thick Overload... that's a brutal one though... that's also way too early in the morning to be that horny... 8:00 AM to be following Ms. Thick Overload.

The 'appropriate' time of day for such activity is purely a matter of personal opinion.

Antonio Pierce on Raiders DNA

Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce joined the show to discuss what it means to be "born a Raider." Pierce brings an old-school mentality to a franchise that desperately needs it, and he didn't blink when staring down the guys to see if they had the silver and black in their blood. He talked about the 2007 Giants, his transition to coaching, and why he still respects the undefeated Patriots team he helped take down.

Void
Aug 7, 2024
#11793
Antonio PierceAntonio Pierce

Raider DNA is genetic and cannot be converted to

It's genetic. So you have it. It's either you got it or you don't. You what I mean's no Raiders conversion... sometimes I know we're in California right now, so you can Very Hollywood around. I was waiting for your blink. I saw a little twitching in the eyebrow [at the hosts].

The concept of 'Raider DNA' is a cultural branding metaphor, not literal science.
Loss
Aug 7, 2024
#28008
Antonio PierceAntonio Pierce

The Raiders are going to win a lot of games this season

We're win a lot of games. A lot of games. A lot of grit.

The Raiders finished the 2024 season with a 2-15 record, which is definitively not 'a lot of games'.

The Legend of the Jaguar Statue Kid

In a moment of pure PMT magic, the guys ran into the actual person from the iconic 1997 photo of a kid with his head stuck in the Jacksonville Jaguar statue. Andy, now a fully grown adult, explained the mechanics of how he ended up as a national news story and a recurring meme on the Barstool blog for over a decade. It turns out, getting out was a lot harder than getting in.

Win
Aug 7, 2024
#28009
A
Andy

The Jaguar statue's fangs work like a crab trap, which is why my head got stuck in it

I explained it like a crab trap where like you can push your ears backwards... but then it gets caught. Can't go forward. And so that was like the simplicity of it. But everyone... was like, how is that even possible?

This is a verifiable description of a physical event from the person who experienced it.

Mt. Rushmore of Tough Things and Eric Musselman

The episode wraps with a Mt. Rushmore of Tough Things, where Big Cat made a very personal selection regarding the difficulty of managing the show’s executive producer in the morning.

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Big CatBig Cat

Dealing with Hank in the morning is tougher than childbirth

Dealing with Hank when he wakes up in the morning. That's very tough. Yeah. Probably tougher than childbirth. If you actually have to do it. Like if childbirth verse, like if you're like, Hey, every day you have to just wake up Hank, I'd take childbirth.

This is a humorous subjective comparison.

Finally, USC HC Eric Musselman joined to answer grit questions from the listeners. After putting the guys through a grueling practice, Musselman broke down the ideal roster construction for a winning program, specifically the ratio of guys with "moxie" versus those who just have pure grit.

Void
Aug 7, 2024
#11799
Eric MusselmanEric Musselman

A basketball roster needs exactly three moxie guys and the rest grit guys to win

I don't think you can have a lot of moxie guys. Okay. So I would say moxie guys three. Okay. Right. And the rest grit. Yeah. And then you're gonna win. I think that's right because If you have too many moxie guys. Everyone, there's only one ball.

This is a matter of coaching opinion and roster strategy.

No matter how nice the weather is in SoCal, if you're on the bus, the grit is mandatory.

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More Takes

Win
Aug 7, 2024·Picks
#27999
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Chiefs will win over 11.5 games this season

I picked a little team called the Kansas City Chiefs to win over 11 and a half games. He got a good young quarterback I like and a tight end. Jason [Kelce's] brother played tight end and he's pretty good.

The Chiefs finished the 2024 season with a record of 15-2, easily clearing the over.
Win
Aug 7, 2024·Picks
#28000
Big CatBig Cat

The Saints will win over 7.5 games this season

I had the Saints over seven and a half. I think they're not as bad as people think they are.

The Saints finished 9-8 in 2024, winning more than 7.5 games.
Void
Aug 7, 2024
#28001
Big CatBig Cat

Everyone outside of Chicago is hoping and wishing that Caleb Williams is a monumental bust

Everyone outside of Chicago is saying the [Caleb Williams] gonna be a monumental bust... A lot of people are hoping for Caleb Williams to be a bust and wishing for Caleb Williams to be a bust, including Hank.

This is a subjective assessment of public sentiment and the motives of other fans.
Loss
Big CatBig Cat

You shouldn't stop printing money; you should print even more to solve inflation

You gotta go through the wall. So like when you're like, oh we printed so much money that it doesn't like it's not worth anything. That's when you print even more money. Right. You can't quit printing money. You gotta be committed to printing the money.

This is economically catastrophic advice and is factually incorrect as a solution for inflation.
Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Stadiums only release 'epic' food items to get social media impressions, not because people actually eat them

I'm convinced that teams do this just to get impressions on social media. I don't think that many people actually order them, but they're looking for the next like epic meal that is sold at a stadium. Right? And so they released a candy, was it cotton candy stuffed burrito where it was like just filling... and nobody's actually gonna eat that. Right? No one's gonna order it.

While logically sound, the motive of stadium vendors is inherently subjective or internal to the teams.
Void
HankHank

The 2024 USA Basketball team would smoke the 1992 Dream Team

Modern game. More shooting. Like if it was if you literally just took them in a time machine and dropped them in 2024. The 2024 team would smoke them.

The debate is inherently subjective as the game has changed fundamentally since 1992.
Void
HewyHewy

Lauri Markkanen is not worth $200 million

They just gave Lauri Markkanen a five year, 200 plus million dollar contract... He's not worth that much money. I'd pay him 35 [million].

Contract value is subjective, though Markkanen is an All-Star. It remains a matter of opinion.
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Big CatBig Cat

Mick Foley (Mankind) is the toughest person ever

I'm gonna go with Mankind, Mick Foley, toughest dude ever fucking going. When he got slammed on a bed of tacks from Undertaker from the top of the Hell in a Cell... he is literally the toughest.

Toughness is a subjective trait and Foley is a widely cited candidate in the wrestling world.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Bernie Madoff was weirdly tough for living with the mental burden of his fraud for years

Bernie Madoff. Weirdly tough. Having to live with just the fact that you're a complete fraud and it's gonna be found out one day. Mentally. He's gotta be tough.

The definition of mental toughness and its application to a criminal is entirely subjective.
Void
Aug 7, 2024
#11795
Antonio PierceAntonio Pierce

The 2007 Patriots were likely the best team of all time despite their Super Bowl loss

Man, listen, we just went toe to toe with probably the best team of all time. And I still think probably the best team of all time, regardless that they didn't win the Super Bowl.

This is a common debate among sports historians; the 2007 Patriots are one of the only teams to go undefeated in the regular season.
Void
Aug 7, 2024
#11797
Eric MusselmanEric Musselman

You only need grit when you are competing, not 24/7

I think it's all about where you are... If you are between the lines in the Galen Center, you gotta have grit, you know, and then maybe tonight at the Manhattan Beach Pier, you don't really need the grit know. And so it's a, it's all about your environment and where you're at at the time. You know, but you don't need grit 24 7. Right. You just need it when you're competing.

This is a subjective coaching philosophy.

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