Skip to content
PMTPMT DB

Rob Lowe + Hard Knocks Finale

Wednesday, September 5, 201820 takes

Hard Knocks Finale recap. Cajuste gets cut, the Browns may win the Super Bowl, Hue Jackson didn't like the Khalil Mack trade so it means it's a good one, and Todd Haley hates rap music, obviously ( - ). Hot Seat/Cool Throne ( - ). Actor Rob Lowe joins the show to talk about his career in Hollywood, his favorite roles, playing Drew Peterson, rooting for winners because he's a winner and a self admitted narcissist, and a table reading from Waynes World ( - ). Segments include Done or Finished Rick Pitino, Locker Room Talk Jerry Jones, and Guys on Chicks.

Rob Lowe on Parks & Rec, Lakers Glory, and the Hard Knocks Finale

The Cleveland Browns have officially conquered our hearts, and potentially the entire NFL, after the season finale of Hard Knocks. Between the heartbreak of Devon Cajuste getting cut and the weirdly intense scenes of Todd Haley complaining about rap music at practice, Big Cat and PFT are fully bought into the hype.

Loss
Sep 5, 2018
#12030
Big CatBig Cat

The Browns are going to win the Super Bowl

I don't know if I am just still feeling the high of a Liev Schreiber narrated slow-mo. But I think the Browns are going to win the Super Bowl.

The 2018 Cleveland Browns went 7-8-1 and did not make the playoffs, let alone win the Super Bowl.

While the rest of the world might see the Browns as a punchline, the guys see a team ready to transcend their history. PFT even argued that this season eclipsed the legendary Rex Ryan Jets era of the show.

Void
Sep 5, 2018
#12031
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Browns season of Hard Knocks was better than the Rex Ryan Jets season

Listen, this is the best season of Hard Knocks. This was better than the Rex Ryan season.

This is a subjective opinion about the quality of a television show.

One of the most telling moments of the finale was Hue Jackson’s reaction to the Khalil Mack trade. When a coach like Hue thinks a trade for a generational pass rusher is 'too much' to give up, it’s the ultimate green light for the rest of the league.

Win
Sep 5, 2018
#12032
Big CatBig Cat

I've never been more confident in the Khalil Mack trade than I am seeing Hue Jackson dislike it

I've never felt more confident in the Khalil Mack trade than I did when Hue Jackson saw the news and was like, oh, that's a lot. That's too many draft picks.

The trade was widely considered a success for the Bears in the short term as Mack helped them to an NFC North title in 2018.

PFT also floated a theory that explains why the Browns have been so bad for so long: they might just be a puppet state for their divisional rivals.

Loss
Sep 5, 2018
#12034
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Cleveland Browns are a false flag organization for the Pittsburgh Steelers

I have a long-standing theory that the Cleveland Browns are a false flag organization for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like, their owner that they have, Jimmy Haslam, is a former Steelers owner. I think that they were just kind of brought back into the league to inflate the Steelers' record artificially.

While Haslam was a minority owner of the Steelers, there is no evidence the Browns exist solely to help Pittsburgh.

Hot Seat/Cool Throne

Hot Seat/Cool Throne covered the important issues, ranging from the decline of mayonnaise to Tom Brady's inevitable political pivot. Big Cat came out swinging in defense of mayo, suggesting that anyone who hates the 'creamy spread' is probably projecting some deep-seated insecurities.

Loss
Big CatBig Cat

If you don't like mayonnaise, you are probably homophobic and misogynistic

If you don't like mayo, you're actually, well, and also, you're probably kind of homophobic and a little misogynistic. Because you're just like, your masculinity is threatened by having this creamy, delicious spread just down your throat.

Hot TakeFoodScorchingSarcastic
The claim is a joke and has no basis in reality.

Hank used his Cool Throne to highlight a massive PMT bump for MLB star Christian Yelich, who has been on an absolute tear since appearing on the show.

Win
HankHank

Christian Yelich will win the MLB MVP

It's Christian Yelich since appearing on Pardon My Take in July. He's first in batting average, tied for first in home runs, first in runs, first in RBIs, and first in slugging percentage. Many people are saying he's going to be the MVP.

Christian Yelich did win the 2018 NL MVP award.

PFT turned his attention to the Stanley Cup, which is apparently suffering from the Washington Capitals' summer-long bender. Between the keg stands and the Russian celebrations, the trophy’s structural integrity is reportedly at an all-time low.

Push
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NHL should outlaw keg stands on the Stanley Cup because they compromise its structural integrity

The NHL is considering outlawing keg stands on the Stanley Cup. That is not fun. The Washington Capitals have done too many keg stands on it, and they've compromised the structural integrity.

OpinionHockeyMediumSarcastic
The Cup was reportedly sent for repairs after the 2018 celebrations, but 'outlawing keg stands' wasn't an official rule change.

Finally, the guys took a look at the sneaker world. While Nike and Adidas deal with various controversies and stock fluctuations, Big Cat sees a clear winner in the marketplace.

Push
Big CatBig Cat

Big Baller Brand is a better investment than Nike or Adidas because it is privately owned

Nike stock down because the Kaepernick stuff obviously, Adidas stock down. You know what stock's not down? Big Baller Brand because it's still privately owned. That's how you do it. Big Baller Brand's about to have a windfall from this.

OpinionBusinessMediumSarcastic
Technically correct that a private company's stock doesn't fluctuate on public markets, but the brand effectively collapsed shortly after.

Rob Lowe Joins the Show

Actor and Hollywood legend Rob Lowe joined Big Cat and PFT for an extended, wide-ranging interview that proved he’s as much of a sports fan as he is a TV icon. He was a great sport about his 2011 'scoop' regarding Peyton Manning’s retirement and leaned into his reputation for being a 'benevolent narcissist.'

Lowe explained his philosophy on sports fandom, which basically involves skipping the misery and heading straight for the trophy presentation.

Void
Sep 5, 2018
#12048
Rob LoweRob Lowe

I like to root for excellence and the inevitable winner

I like the Red Sox and I like the Yankees. I like the storyline and I like teams that are great. I like excellence. I root for the inevitable. My brother Chad is a longtime Browns fan and Bengals fan and he just dwells in his misery. He's the exact opposite of me in that way. I like people who are good at what they do.

This is a personal philosophy on sports fandom.

As a longtime Lakers fan who lived through the Showtime era and saw the 'baby hook' in person, Lowe had some strong thoughts on the current state of the NBA. Specifically, he’s not a fan of how modern superstars handle the ball.

Void
Sep 5, 2018
#12052
Rob LoweRob Lowe

LeBron James carries the ball on every single possession

I love LeBron, but we used to call carries. He carries on every possession. Every possession. He palms and also he's got that hand out [stiff arm]. So he's allowed to hand check.

While technical 'carries' are rarely called in the modern NBA, it is a subjective complaint about officiating trends.

When it came to the ultimate 'Who would win?' debate, Lowe didn't hesitate to pick the Shaq and Kobe Lakers over the modern-day Warriors dynasty. His logic was simple: there is no one on the current Golden State roster who wouldn't be turned into a pancake by Shaq in the post.

Void
Sep 5, 2018
#12050
Rob LoweRob Lowe

The Kobe/Shaq Lakers would destroy the Steph Curry Warriors because no one can guard Shaq

I think that the Kobe/Shaq three-peat team would destroy Steph Curry's team. Because who would guard Shaq? ... If they're going to bomb from outside and beat you, they will beat you, and that's it. But they're not coming inside, so just let them do it. Live and die by the three.

This is an eternal 'what-if' debate in sports, making it inherently subjective.

Lowe also got surprisingly candid about the difficulties of being 'intimidatingly attractive' in Hollywood, noting that the industry often struggles to see depth in people who look like they belong on a poster.

Void
Sep 5, 2018
#29120
Rob LoweRob Lowe

You can't have depth and substance as an actor if you are good-looking or funny

There's a sort of sense that you can't have depth and substance and also be [good-looking]... and it's the same thing with comedy.

This is a common subjective complaint among actors (the 'pretty person' bias), which is impossible to objectively prove or disprove.

He shared a hilarious story about 'fake playing' the saxophone for Bill Clinton and even participated in a table reading from Wayne’s World. Before he left, he revealed his true motivation for wanting to join the Marvel Cinematic Universe—it has nothing to do with the script and everything to do with the chemistry.

Void
Sep 5, 2018
#29123
Rob LoweRob Lowe

I want a movie studio to pay for me to use performance-enhancing drugs for a role

I want to get to a point where I have a studio pay for me to be juiced up with the top doctors with all kinds of performance enhancing... I want to do a Marvel movie so somebody gets me ripped and puts me on drugs that I would never do in my real life.

While Lowe hasn't publicly taken PEDs for a role, many other actors are rumored to, and his desire is a subjective career goal.

To wrap things up, the guys looked at Rick Pitino’s latest retirement claims and Jerry Jones' weirdly suggestive comments about selling shoes.

Win
Sep 5, 2018
#12055
Big CatBig Cat

Rick Pitino is finished but not done with coaching

Rick Pitino says in that book, Rick Pitino believes it's unlikely he will return to coaching. He's finished. He has said it himself. He's finished. I think he's finished but not done. It will only take a little bit of time for him to come back. Give him 20 minutes and he won't be finished anymore. He'll be ready to go again.

PredictionCBBMediumSarcastic
Correct. Pitino returned to coach Iona in 2020 and St. John's in 2023.

It’s time to start the garage door watch for the NFL season opener.

nflhard-knockscleveland-brownsrob-lowehollywoodlakersmlb

More Takes

Void
Sep 5, 2018
#12035
Big CatBig Cat

Jeans are the weirdest thing a football coach can wear

I actually think jeans are the weirdest thing a football coach can wear because football coaches, they either are in sweatpants or full suit. There is no in-between. It's actually the way to tell the difference between normal human beings and football coaches is if you see someone wearing jeans, you're like, that's a civilian.

This is a subjective observation on social norms within coaching culture.
Loss
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tom Brady will run for office in Massachusetts as a Democrat after he retires

I think that Tom Brady is going to run for office in Massachusetts after he's done playing football. And to win in Massachusetts when you're running for office, you typically have to be a Democrat. And Tom Brady has gone from having the Make America Great Again hat in his locker to now he's liking Colin Kaepernick's Instagram posts for the new ad campaign.

As of 2024, Tom Brady has retired from football but has not run for office in Massachusetts or anywhere else.
Loss
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tom Brady shipped Jimmy Garoppolo to San Francisco because he was a Republican

I think he shipped Jimmy Garoppolo out to San Francisco because Jimmy G was a Republican. And he didn't like having a Republican as his teammate. So he's like, I'm going to send you out to hang out with all the libs out in San Francisco.

This is a humorous conspiracy theory with no factual backing regarding the trade's motivation.
Void
Sep 5, 2018
#12053
Rob LoweRob Lowe

Beards are the reason Civil War movies don't get made anymore

I also think the problem is beards. Beards are out. A lot of beards. You think, well, actually, beards are not. I'm in this room. I know there's one, two, three, four and a half. That's a lot of beards in the room. Now it's time to revisit the Civil War.

This is a humorous observation on casting and production trends.
Win
Sep 5, 2018
#29121
Rob LoweRob Lowe

The West Wing convinced a generation of people that political compromise is the way to solve everything

The West Wing... you kind of convinced a generation of nerds that got into politics that compromise would be the way to solve everything. [Lowe responds]: The movie version, it never really works out in the real world.

The 'West Wing effect' is a well-documented phenomenon in political science regarding public perception of governance.
Void
Sep 5, 2018
#29122
Rob LoweRob Lowe

If you don't have any edge as a person, you are just a Canadian

You always have a little bit of dick in you. If you don't have any edge, you're just a Canadian.

This is a humorous generalization about Canadian politeness versus the 'edge' required in Hollywood.

PMTDB Comments

This generates your username. Same passphrase = same name. Make it unique and memorable!

Search

Search takes, episodes, and speakers