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Todd McShay and Mel Kiper Talking NFL Draft

Wednesday, April 24, 201920 takes

We're a day away from the NFL Draft and it's officially smoke screen season. (-) Seahawks/Chiefs pre draft trade. (-) NBA and NHL Playoffs and is PFT getting cocky about the Caps? (-) Hot Seat Cool Throne including Drake Curse picking up new bodies and OBJ being happy in Cleveland. (-) Todd McShay and Mel Kiper join the show to talk about the 2019 NFL Draft, which quarterbacks they like, the worst picks theyve ever made, what their relationship is like, and Mel's obsession with eating Pumpkin Pie every single day. (-) Segments include Take Quake is lifting bad for you?(-) Trouble in Paradise Jake Arietta/Bryce Harper, (-) Bad Visual Bucks fans chanting after their first round sweep, (-) PR 101 for Von Miller (-) and Guys on Chicks (-)

Todd McShay and Mel Kiper on 2019 NFL Draft and Pumpkin Pie

Draft week is officially here, and the air is thick with smoke screens, anonymous GM quotes, and the general smell of desperation. Big Cat and PFT are navigating the chaos of Kyler Murray’s potentially pre-destined path to Arizona, while also trying to figure out why anyone would ever want to draft Eli Manning with less pizzazz.

Win
Apr 24, 2019
#11000
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Kyler Murray will be the #1 overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft

Kyler Murray is going to be number one... I think that Kyler Murray is going to be Cardinal.

Kyler Murray was drafted #1 overall by the Arizona Cardinals.

PFT is planting his flag early on where the other big-name signal callers land, while Big Cat is looking at the board and seeing a different destiny for the Ohio State star.

Win
Apr 24, 2019
#10999
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Dwayne Haskins will end up being drafted by the Washington Redskins

I think [Dwayne] Haskins is going to end up as a Redskins. That's what I'm planting my flag and saying.

The Redskins did indeed draft Dwayne Haskins with the 15th overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft.
Loss
Apr 24, 2019
#11001
Big CatBig Cat

Dwayne Haskins will be a Cincinnati Bengal

I think Dwayne Haskins is going to be a Cincinnati Bengal.

Dwayne Haskins was drafted by the Redskins, not the Bengals.

The Draft Gurus Unfiltered

Todd McShay and Mel Kiper joined the show for an interview that felt less like a draft preview and more like a peek into a thirty-year marriage that survives solely on spite and hairspray. While they touched on the actual prospects, the real gold was the constant chirping. Todd wasted no time exposing Mel’s bizarre lifestyle choices, specifically his legendary refusal to take bathroom breaks and his commitment to eating pumpkin pie for breakfast every single day.

When they did actually talk ball, the divide on this year's class was clear. Todd isn't exactly buying the hype on the Duke quarterback that everyone seems to be linked to lately.

Loss
Apr 24, 2019
#11009
Todd McShayTodd McShay

Daniel Jones will be a career backup in the NFL

Some guys like me think [Daniel Jones] is a career backup. So it's not nearly as good in terms of the quarterbacks this year.

As of 2024, Daniel Jones has spent most of his career as a starter for the Giants and signed a massive contract extension, though his play quality remains a point of heavy debate.

Mel, the elder statesman, was quick to remind everyone that as much as we love the drama of this year's class, it doesn't quite hold a candle to the star power we saw just twelve months ago.

Win
Apr 24, 2019
#11010
Mel KiperMel Kiper

The top of the 2018 quarterback class was significantly better than the 2019 class

Those quarterbacks [2018 class] were better than any of the quarterbacks this year in my opinion. As a group of quarterbacks, the top guys were better.

The 2018 class featured two MVPs (Jackson) and a perennial MVP candidate (Allen), along with a solid starter in Mayfield. The 2019 class has been much weaker overall.

The conversation shifted to wideouts, where Todd has his eyes on some specific speedsters. He’s essentially ready to crown the next version of a Philly legend.

Push
Apr 24, 2019
#11011
Todd McShayTodd McShay

Marquise Brown is the next DeSean Jackson

I love Marquise Brown, the wide receiver from Oklahoma. He's 166 pounds... but he's DeSean Jackson, and I'll take that in the top 20.

Brown has been a productive deep threat, but comparing any prospect to an All-Pro like DeSean Jackson is a high bar that Brown hasn't consistently met across his career.
Win
Apr 24, 2019
#27948
Todd McShayTodd McShay

Deebo Samuel is the most talented wide receiver in the 2019 class outside of Marquise Brown

I'll go Debo Samuel. ... I think he's the most talented receiver outside of Marquise Brown in this class. South Carolina, production, slot receiver, big guy, can run after the catch, can help in the return game... Deebo's a dude.

This turned out to be an excellent take as Deebo became a versatile First-Team All-Pro.

Hot Seat Cool Throne and Postseason Heat

Hot Seat/Cool Throne featured a deep dive into the "Drake Curse" claiming more victims—this time targeting Adele’s marriage—and a look at the Avengers. PFT is convinced that the only way to defeat Thanos involves a very specific, very microscopic entry point for Ant-Man.

Loss
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Ant-Man will either defeat Thanos by crawling up his butt or Thanos will be defeated by logic and reason from reporter Clark Kent

Either Ant-Man's going to crawl up in [Thanos's] butt and expand, like we said on the show, or he's going to get defeated using logic and reason by fact-checking super reporter Clark Kent. Those are my two predictions for the end of The Avengers.

Iron Man used the Infinity Stones to defeat Thanos; neither Ant-Man's butt-crawling nor logic and reason were the deciding factors.

In the world of sports that are actually happening now, PFT is grappling with his own cockiness regarding the Capitals. After spending the week making travel plans for the second and third rounds, he’s suddenly realizing that a Game 7 against the Hurricanes is a very real, very terrifying reality. Meanwhile, over in the NBA, the Bucks are looking like a buzzsaw, though Hank is worried the fans might be flying too close to the sun.

Win
Apr 24, 2019
#11003
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Bucks are a wagon and will roll through the Celtics in the NBA Playoffs

But I think the Bucks, they're a wagon. They're going to roll through the Celtics.

The Milwaukee Bucks defeated the Boston Celtics 4-1 in the Eastern Conference Semifinals.
Loss
Apr 24, 2019·Bad Visual
#11014
HankHank

It is a massive mistake for Bucks fans to chant 'We Want Boston' after sweeping the Pistons

It's a mistake. ... Why poke the bear? ... When you're the No. 1 seed, you or your fans can't be doing stuff like this. They're going to get them.

The Bucks easily defeated the Celtics 4-1, proving that the fans' desire to face Boston was justified and not a 'mistake'.

Take Quake and Bad Visuals

This week's Take Quake addressed the "dangers" of modern weightlifting in baseball. According to some New York writers, we should be looking at the Babe Ruth model of health: hot dogs, beer, and dying at 52. PFT is fully on board with the retro approach to injury prevention.

Loss
Apr 24, 2019·Take Quake
#11013
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Baseball players should start smoking cigarettes and drinking whiskey in the dugout to prevent modern muscle injuries

Yeah, I think that baseball players should start smoking cigarettes and drinking whiskey in the dugout again because you never heard of guys back in the 20s tearing their ACL. They just limped around like fools for the last 40 years of their life if they were lucky.

There is no medical evidence that smoking and drinking whiskey prevents sports injuries; this is a comedy bit.

We also got a check-in on the Phillies' clubhouse chemistry. Bryce Harper managed to get himself tossed again, leading to some pointed comments from Jake Arrieta. It turns out that when you pay a guy $330 million, people generally expect him to stay on the field for the full nine innings.

If Mel Kiper can go thirty years without a bathroom break, Bryce Harper can probably handle not yelling at a Triple-A umpire for one afternoon.

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More Takes

Win
Apr 24, 2019
#11002
Big CatBig Cat

Daniel Jones will rise up draft boards because of his physical profile and David Cutcliffe connection

Daniel Jones, because he's 6'2", 220, and White will end up going all the way up the draft. Maybe even the Giants will be like, hey, let's just get this guy because David Cutcliffe, and we can keep him in check, and Eli [Manning] can be the quarterback for the next six years.

Daniel Jones was drafted 6th overall by the Giants, a move many considered a massive reach at the time, validating Big Cat's prediction of him 'going all the way up the draft.'
Push
Apr 24, 2019
#27946
Big CatBig Cat

The Seahawks are making a smart move trading Frank Clark to reset with young talent

I love this move for both sides... The Seahawks did a sneaky thing here where they're getting more picks and they're like, hey, we just paid Russell Wilson a lot of money... This is how smart organizations do it. Like, hey, we paid the quarterback a lot. Why don't we, instead of paying other guys a lot, just get a shitload of young talent and pay them a little and be good and be the Seahawks again.

The Seahawks did use their picks effectively to remain competitive, though they eventually traded Russell Wilson anyway in 2022.
Loss
Apr 24, 2019
#27947
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Capitals are definitely going to beat the Carolina Hurricanes in Game 7

I'm very confident the Carolina tropical storms are about to be in deep depression, and I'm not worried at all. ... No matter what happens in Game 7, we're getting a handshake line, so there's that to look forward to.

The Capitals lost Game 7 in double overtime to the Hurricanes.
Push
HankHank

Duke will have the #1 recruiting class and Matthew Hurt will be their next star white player people hate

Number one recruiting class. They got Vernon Carey Jr. And everyone likes to root against the white guy that's a high recruit at Duke. Matthew Hurt is the guy. Have you seen pictures of this kid? ... Duke's back.

Duke's 2019 class was ranked highly (top 3 depending on the service), and Matthew Hurt was a key part of it, though he didn't become a legendary 'hated' Duke figure in the vein of Laettner or Grayson Allen.
Loss
Big CatBig Cat

Robbie Gould will quit football if he isn't traded back to the Chicago Bears

Robbie Gould, I think, is demanding—I think he's essentially demanding that he will quit football if he doesn't get to be a Bear again. ... I'm all for it when it helps the Bears especially with how bad they the Bears have three kickers right now on their roster.

Robbie Gould did not quit football; he signed a long-term contract with the 49ers in July 2019 and continued his career there.
Loss
Big CatBig Cat

Odell Beckham Jr. is genuinely happy to be in Cleveland and away from Eli Manning

Odell Beckham Jr. because he wants everyone to listen he is totally happy in Cleveland... Odell Beckham is probably just happy he's away from Eli Manning. He truly actually is happy that he doesn't have to play with Eli Manning anymore.

While he may have been happy initially, Beckham's time in Cleveland was famously frustrating, leading to a mid-season release in 2021 after his father posted a video of Baker Mayfield missing him on routes.
Void
Apr 24, 2019
#11008
Todd McShayTodd McShay

Josh Rosen has a slightly higher evaluation grade than any quarterback in the 2019 draft class

But I still think [Josh Rosen] is slightly, in terms of my grades, I've got him rated a little bit higher than the quarterbacks in this class.

This is McShay's internal grading system, which is subjective and unverifiable beyond his own statements.
Void
Apr 24, 2019
#11012
Mel KiperMel Kiper

9 inches is the absolute cutoff point for NFL quarterback hand size to be successful

Nine's the cutoff point for usually having success moving forward. So, yeah. I think there is a validity to that. Outlier would be Tony Romo, and you don't draft outliers.

Burrow and Mahomes are near this cutoff, and while many successful QBs have larger hands, it is a correlation scouts use rather than an absolute law.
Win
Apr 24, 2019
#27949
Mel KiperMel Kiper

The Steelers and Raiders will not draft cornerback Greedy Williams because he doesn't tackle

The two teams that you would think would take a corner and would look at [Greedy Williams], probably won't because you think Steelers. Do you think Greedy Williams when you're the Steelers? Do you think Greedy Williams when you're John Gruden and the Raiders? ... You can't have a corner who doesn't tackle.

Correct. Neither team drafted him; he fell to the Browns in the second round.

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