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Take Slip·Jun 21, 2024
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Adam ThielenAdam Thielen

I will be the fastest I've ever been in the NFL this season at age 33

I want to be the fastest I've ever been. So my goal is to lean out, to be as fast as I've ever been. Top end speed, change the direction, and I truly, I think I can do it. I feel great right now... My goal is to be as fast and explosive as I possibly can.

Adam Thielen's claim about being the fastest he's ever been at age 33 is unverifiable without specific speed measurements. Thielen played in 15 games for the Panthers in 2024 with modest stats.
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Take Slip·Jun 21, 2024
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Adam ThielenAdam Thielen

Kirk Cousins is the most process-driven person I've ever been around

That guy is the most process driven person I've ever been around in my life. It is unbelievable. He does not leave any stone unturned. He does ne he, I mean, he will never not be prepared for a game... he's putting every ounce of time, effort, money into having the most success as a team.

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Take Slip·Jun 17, 2024
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

The Jets made a bigger story out of Aaron Rodgers' absence than it needed to be

Don don't think there's a problem. And I know that memes had some issue with something that I said last week because I saw the tweet and I had to send it to you Big Cat to get an interpretation like most people of my generation do. Hey son, what is this all about? I didn't get it. Here's the issue with Aaron Rogers and I think this is more about the Jets than Aaron Rogers. They fucked this up so bad last week. All they had to do was excuse his absence. That's all they had to do.

This is an opinion on public relations management by the Jets organization.
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Take Slip·Jun 17, 2024
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

Fans should root for the NFL to lose the Sunday Ticket lawsuit

The NFL has always just kind of pressed forward and made as much money as they could from it. But this case is about what the NFL allegedly has done to protect the deals with CBS and Fox. And without getting too deep into the weeds, it's as simple as this. They required allegedly, but I think the evidence has proved this. They've required DirecTV to charge a certain price so people don't get it and they just watch whatever CBS or Fox has to offer. ... we should be rooting for the NFL to lose this because it will make it easier for all the fans to have cheaper choices and broader selections to watch outta market games on Sunday.

A jury initially awarded plaintiffs $4.7 billion (tripled to $14 billion), but the judge later overturned the verdict in August 2024, ruling in favor of the NFL. Florio's prediction of a fan victory was overturned.
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Take Slip·Jun 17, 2024
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

Tua Tagovailoa wouldn't get a massive contract on the open market

Tua I think goes into a different category as well. ... I don't think the Dolphins want to pay something that starts with a five. And you have to wonder, will they just say Tua go ahead because ask yourself that question. If Tua is available to anyone who wants him, what are they gonna pay? Yeah. What's it gonna get on the open market? And I feel like one of these days one of these teams is gonna draw that line in the saying.

The Dolphins did not 'dare' him; they signed Tua to a 4-year, $212.4 million extension in July 2024, with an average annual value of $53.1 million (starting with a five), contradicting Florio's skepticism.
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Take Slip·Jun 17, 2024
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

The Steelers will surprise people because of Arthur Smith and Mike Tomlin

Steelers you got? Oh, Steelers. Okay. So you like Rus, you think Russ or Justin Fields? I just think that bringing Arthur Smith in there... Tomlin's Superpower is to take a room full of guys that you would individually look at them and say, okay. And slap 'em all together and make it into a playoff team. ... One of these guys is getting the starting job in 2025 and one of 'em is getting fired.

The Steelers started the 2024 season 3-0 and remained in playoff contention throughout the first half of the season, validating the 'surprising' take.
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Take Slip·Jun 17, 2024
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Mike FlorioMike Florio

Rashee Rice will miss time at the start of the season due to legal issues

I'll be surprised if he's playing week one, he's either gonna be on the commissioner's exemp list or he will have pled guilty to one or more of these felonies and he'll be suspended under the personal conduct policy.

Rashee Rice was not placed on the exempt list and played in Week 1 of the 2024 season. Legal proceedings were ongoing and the NFL had not issued a suspension by that time.
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Take Slip·Jun 14, 2024
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Big CatBig Cat

Dak Prescott will get a $300 million contract

Dax [Dak Prescott] is gonna get 300 [million].

Dak Prescott signed a 4-year, $240 million extension in September 2024. While the annual value was high ($60M), the total new money wasn't $300M.
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Take Slip·Jun 14, 2024
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HankHank

I would take Trevor Lawrence over Drake Maye

[Big Cat]: Hank, would you take Drake Maye or Trevor Lawrence? [Hank]: Trevor Lawrence.

Subjective comparison between a veteran and a rookie.
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Take Slip·Jun 14, 2024
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Big CatBig Cat

Tom Brady is a better football player than he is a person

Tom Brady is one of those people who you can absolutely say he's a better football player than he is person. I very much disagree with that [Hank's] statement.

Subjective value judgment.
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Take Slip·Jun 14, 2024
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MemesMemes

Aaron Rodgers missing mandatory camp is not a problem

There's no problem. The problem is Robert Saleh handled the situation wrong and it sounds like a problem... There's no problem as long as he is there for week one. No problem.

Rodgers returned for training camp and played Week 1, making the mini-camp absence a footnote in the season's actual games.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Zach Wilson is genuinely in the mix for the starting job in Denver

Zach Wilson is currently in the mix for the starting job. What? In Denver. Which is crazy because Sean Peyton, he compared Bo Nix to Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. So imagine how good Zach Wilson has to be to be competing to start over a combination of Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.

Bo Nix was eventually named the starter for Week 1, and Zach Wilson was the third-string/emergency QB.
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Take Slip·Jun 10, 2024
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Greg OlsenGreg Olsen

Travis Kelce will be the greatest tight end of all time if he produces for two more years

Kelsey's [Travis Kelce] production and longevity is now getting into that like Tony Gonzalez era... I think Kelsey becomes the first one who enters into that. You know, maybe even more than like, I mean Gronk was on that trajectory, maybe just didn't play long enough... If he has that thousand yard ish production another year or two... I think he becomes the first one who enters into that [GOAT status].

GOAT tight end status is a subjective debate. The Chiefs went 6-11 in 2025 with Mahomes' ACL tear, limiting Kelce's production context.
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Take Slip·Jun 7, 2024
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Big CatBig Cat

Mike McDaniel's fixation on the Dolphins' 24-year playoff win drought is a bad sign

I'm worried about Mike McDaniels... Dolphins have not won a playoff game in 24 years. He now has every staff meeting he puts at 24 on the hour. 7 24. I don't like that. You're just thinking about it all the time... This is like after the double doink year when Matt Nagy ended every practice with all the kickers having to kick a 41 yarder. It's in his head.

Subjective psychological analysis of a coach's motivational tactics.
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Take Slip·Jun 7, 2024
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

It would be a 'shame' if Justin Fields won a Super Bowl with the Steelers

I think the ultimate shame would be if Justin Fields won a Super Bowl with the Steelers. A crying shame. I'm not gonna root for it, but if, if it does happen, just know that it would be a, it would be, it would be a shame.

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Justin Fields did not win a Super Bowl with the Steelers. The Steelers were eliminated in the Wild Card round (lost to the Ravens 28-14). Fields was also not the primary starter — Russell Wilson started most games.
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Take Slip·Jun 5, 2024
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Dak Prescott is the 17th or 18th best QB in the NFL, behind Kirk Cousins

Dak right behind Kirk Cousins... 16 should be Kirk [Cousins]. Yep. Right exactly in the middle. [Then Dak Prescott is 17 or 18].

The ranking is subjective, but placing Dak (who finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2023) at 17 is statistically controversial.
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Take Slip·Jun 5, 2024
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MemesMemes

Aaron Rodgers will prove he is the number one quarterback in the NFL this year

Rogers will prove that he's the number one quarterback this year. Patrick Mahomes never beat him in the playoffs.

Aaron Rodgers did not finish as the #1 QB; he struggled significantly while Mahomes continued to lead a top-tier team.
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Take Slip·May 31, 2024
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Big CatBig Cat

I'm worried Hard Knocks will ruin the Bears' upcoming season

There's a small part of me that's worried that hard knocks might taint all the success the Bears have had these last few years. Like this could go south.

The Bears started the season 4-2 but then struggled significantly, though Hard Knocks is rarely the quantifiable cause.
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Take Slip·May 24, 2024
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HankHank

The Celtics-Pacers series is over and it might even be a sweep

I do think that they're gonna beat the Pacers. . . I'm saying like in game. Don't get crazy in game three. I think it, it might even be a sweep because Tyrese Haliburton's probably not gonna play.

The Celtics did sweep the Pacers 4-0 to advance to the NBA Finals.
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Big CatBig Cat

Caleb Williams lost all his swag the minute he put on a Bears uniform

The minute Caleb Williams put on the Bears uniform and they had him running around as a quarterback, he lost all his swag. He's gotta figure out how to overcome the Bears quarterback uniform. People were tweeting about it like 'this guy's got no swag anymore.' I kind of agree.

Purely subjective aesthetic and 'vibe' judgment.
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Big CatBig Cat

Jim Harbaugh will lead the Chargers to an AFC Championship game within the next 5 years

The chargers, they're gonna be good. Harbaugh will be in an AFC championship game over under five years... I think we'll do it in the third or fourth year. I think it's three.

Outcome pending over the next several NFL seasons.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NFL's electronic first down measurement system is bad for the sport because it removes human anticipation

This is bad. And here's why. The chain and the stick is awesome. It gives you another play. It's a free play that you get... the anticipation. That's another stop of them running out... That's what we love about football is the weird shit. If we were starting football from scratch right now, there's no chance in hell there would be three old guys with sticks.

Subjective opinion on game entertainment value.
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Take Slip·May 17, 2024
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Big CatBig Cat

The NFL schedule release has become over-produced and exhausting

I'm talking about the entire thing. I'm talking about the leaks. I'm talking about the intentional leaks. The unintentional leaks, the release of the release of the schedule. I'm kind of overall of it. I actually wish the NFL would go to a system where we don't even know when it's coming out and it's just a random Tuesday afternoon.

This is a subjective view on sports media trends.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Jared Goff is no longer a bridge quarterback after proving everyone wrong with the Lions

When the trade happened, everybody was saying like, they're gonna use Jared Goff as a bridge quarterback. Now he's he's not a bridge. ... it felt like there was Yeah, when he got traded for the Rams, it's like, oh, his career's over and now he's he's proven everyone wrong.

Goff signed a 4-year, $212 million extension, cementing his role as the Lions' long-term starter.
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MemesMemes

I will strap a bomb to my chest if Aaron Rodgers has another season-ending injury in Week 1

If Aaron Rodgers gets another season ending injury [against the 49ers], I'm gonna strap a bomb to my chest and go to the NFL office and blow up.

Aaron Rodgers finished the Week 1 game against the 49ers without injury.
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Take Slip·May 13, 2024
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Julian EdelmanJulian Edelman

Brian Hoyer throws the most catchable ball of any quarterback I played with

You know who actually threw a real catchable ball? Brian Hoyer did... He had this little pat thing. He threw a real catchable ball. Mallet used to throw a real heavy, heavy like hard ball... but yeah, Hoyer threw a real catchable ball.

Teammate preference on ball feel is entirely subjective.
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MaxMax

Howie Roseman only drafts players based on consensus mock drafts to get high grades from experts

Howie Roseman does a really good job of drafting off of the experts' mock drafts. So every time the Eagles have a draft, everyone's like, holy shit, A plus. They got a guy that we mocked for the first round in the second round... he never didn't take the consensus guy again [after Reagor].

This is a subjective interpretation of a GM's strategy.
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Big CatBig Cat

Watching Caleb Williams throw a football is like watching Steph Curry play basketball

Albert Breer just put out an entire piece about Caleb Williams... checked all the boxes. Called him a Steph Curry-like experience watching him throw the football. It means Steph Curry's awesome to watch play basketball, so it's like that in football.

Comparing watching Caleb Williams throw to watching Steph Curry play basketball is a subjective aesthetic comparison, not a verifiable prediction.
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Take Slip·Apr 29, 2024
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Peter SchragerPeter Schrager

The Falcons drafted Michael Penix Jr. to avoid quarterback purgatory

This move to them ensures that no matter what happens in the next two to three years... they will not be in quarterback purgatory. They viewed Michael Penix as a top 10 prospect in this draft. They themselves do not see them being in the top 10 again now that they have Kirk Cousins.

This accurately reflects the reasoning later provided by Falcons GM Terry Fontenot.
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Take Slip·Apr 29, 2024
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Big CatBig Cat

Caleb Williams' eccentric personality won't matter as long as he plays well

If he's good, none of it will matter... If he's not good, people will blame the nails. They'll say that like, oh, he's too crazy. He's too unique. And if he's good, no one will give a fuck because no one in that locker room will care.

This is a fundamental truth in sports history (e.g., Dennis Rodman).
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Take Slip·Apr 29, 2024
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Peter SchragerPeter Schrager

Jalen Wright is the 'diamond in the rough' of the 2024 NFL draft

The running back on the Dolphins who they traded up to get in the fourth round, Jalen Wright out of Tennessee... This Jalen Wright averaged eight yards a carry at Tennessee is as fast as they come... That's my diamond in the rough.

Jalen Wright had a very quiet rookie season with the Dolphins in 2024, recording minimal stats. He was not a 'diamond in the rough' of the draft class.
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Take Slip·Apr 26, 2024
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Big CatBig Cat

Ryan Poles' trade with the Panthers is one of the greatest fleeces in NFL history

Ryan Poles, what he did to the Panthers... I actually feel bad for the Panthers. Like it's, it's, it's gross... DJ Moore, Darnell Wright, Tyrique Stevenson, Caleb Williams and a 2025 second rounder. And they got Bryce Young. Ryan Poles. And now Rome Odunze. David Tepper... Basically every quarterback that's ever put on a Bear's uniform has been not put in the a good situation to succeed. He's doing everything to make sure that Caleb Williams succeeds.

The trade is widely regarded as one of the most lopsided in modern NFL history given the haul of players and picks the Bears received versus Bryce Young's early struggles.
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Take Slip·Apr 26, 2024
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Big CatBig Cat

Michael Penix Jr. to the Falcons is a baffling move that makes zero sense

The Atlanta Falcons who, if you remember, signed Kirk Cousins to $180 million deal what like a month and a half ago, selected Michael Penix Jr. with the eighth pick... It makes zero sense to do it. Now if he's a great quarterback, cool. I hope it pans out. But like when he, is he gonna start? Is he gonna sit for two years? Why you such a high pick for this? It, it just, you could've probably gotten him in the second round.

While Penix could be a future star, the process of paying $180M to Cousins and then using the #8 pick on his successor immediately was universally panned by analysts.
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Take Slip·Apr 26, 2024
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Big CatBig Cat

Bo Nicks at 12 overall is a significant reach by the Broncos

Bo Nicks, which I think Bo Nicks is also one where I'm scratching my head being like, why, why would the Broncos take him at 12? ... If you need that many tweets and that many words to say, we took a quarterback at 12, that seems like a big reach. Bo Nicks' over under was 32 and a half to be drafted. Like it was a, it was a real conversation when he dip into the second round, they took him 12.

Correctness depends on Bo Nicks' eventual performance relative to other 2024 draft QBs.
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Take Slip·Apr 26, 2024
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Chiefs essentially won another Super Bowl by trading for Xavier Worthy

The bills traded their pick to the chiefs who moved up and everyone knew what was gonna happen. ... The chiefs move up. In my opinion that's worse than trading inside the division is the bills trading with the Chiefs. ... Xavier Worthy is, I mean, with him, him with Mahomes. Why'd you let them do that? Congratulations to the Chiefs on winning the Super Bowl next year.

The Chiefs reached the Super Bowl but lost to the Eagles 22-40. Drafting Xavier Worthy did not equate to 'essentially winning another Super Bowl.'
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Take Slip·Apr 26, 2024
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Dan SoderDan Soder

Brock Purdy is a top 5 NFL quarterback

I think he's top five. Here's the thing about Brock Purdy. I think he's, you know, talent wise, I think like actual arm speed, all that. Maybe not. He's just got this dog mentality. ... Jimmy [Garoppolo] would just take sacks. And then Brock, they were playing the Raiders and Max Crosby just came through and Brock just did this one move and sidearm it to CMC and it was like a 45 yard gain. And you're like, that was the one play where I was like, this guy can just do it.

Ranking of quarterbacks is subjective.
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MaxMax

Caleb Williams is the Ben Simmons of the NFL

I've been thinking about Caleb Williams. There's, there's a player that he reminds me of. Little bit of a diva off the court. Really big into the fashion life, the pop star life. A can't miss prospect. ... Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons was the next LeBron. ... Ben Simmons was a can't miss prospect. ... Both teams missed the [college] playoffs... Think about Ben Simmons.

This will only be resolvable after Caleb Williams' career progresses to see if he 'quits' or underperforms like Simmons.
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Big CatBig Cat

The Broncos released bad jerseys to distract fans from the Zach Wilson trade

They actually are really smart with what they did because they released Bad Jerseys and then they traded for Zach Wilson all on the same day. And you don't know which one to be mad at. They just split the vote. Like that was so smart of them to do those in basically a matter of hours with each other where they're like, which one you want to choose?

This is a marketing/PR theory that is likely coincidental but fits Big Cat's cynical view of front offices.
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Take Slip·Apr 24, 2024
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Daniel JeremiahDaniel Jeremiah

Michael Penix Jr. could be drafted before JJ McCarthy

I was sniffing around this morning 'cause I had, there's so much stuff flying around and like one of the teams had told me like, 'Hey, I wouldn't be surprised if when it was all said and done if Penix went over McCarthy.'

Penix Jr. was drafted 8th by the Falcons; McCarthy was drafted 10th by the Vikings.
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Take Slip·Apr 24, 2024
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Daniel JeremiahDaniel Jeremiah

The 2024 draft class has 10-12 second-contract caliber wide receivers

I was strict with it. So you can, you can extrapolate this beyond this, but like a con—like my confidence level's high. Wide receivers, 10 to 12 of them. Wow. Like there's 10 to 12 that I feel pretty confident they're gonna, they're second contract, same team, commit to 'em type players.

Too early to tell; second contracts for the 2024 class won't happen until 2028.
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Take Slip·Apr 24, 2024
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Field YatesField Yates

Jaden Daniels will be the number two overall pick in the NFL Draft

I feel good about Jaden Daniels going number two. You know, this past week was interesting obviously—mostly incited by Jaden Daniels' agent taking to Twitter... but I do think Jaden Daniels ends up going number two overall.

Jaden Daniels was selected 2nd overall by the Commanders.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2024
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Todd McShayTodd McShay

Caleb Williams entering the Chicago Bears is the best situation for a #1 pick in a long time

Caleb comes in and you've got DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Deandre Swift... this is as good as situation as we've seen in a long time. ... You have to go back a while to say which quarterback was in this good of a situation that Caleb Williams is entering into as the number one overall pick in the draft.

The offensive weapons surrounding Caleb Williams (Moore, Allen, Odunze) are statistically much better than typical #1 pick environments.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2024
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Todd McShayTodd McShay

Jayden Daniels is clearly the #2 quarterback in the draft over Drake May

There isn't one person I've spoken to that believes that Drake May should be drafted number two over Jaden Daniels. ... That first tier has has been for for teams has always been kind of Caleb and Jaden. And then the second tier is Drake.

Jayden Daniels was indeed drafted 2nd overall by the Commanders, and Drake May 3rd by the Patriots.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2024
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Todd McShayTodd McShay

JJ McCarthy will have the best rookie season of any quarterback if he lands in Minnesota

JJ McCarthy could have the best rookie year of all the quarterbacks if he lands in Minnesota, that that's the most desirable spot for these rookie quarterbacks.

McCarthy suffered a season-ending meniscus injury in the preseason and will not play his rookie season.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2024
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Todd McShayTodd McShay

Byron Murphy could be a surprise top 10 pick and the first defensive player drafted

The more people I've talked to in the league, the more I get the sense that Byron Murphy defensive tackle from from Texas could be, and, and, and I, I don't wanna say it's most likely, but if there's gonna be a surprise in the top 10, it's Byron Murphy.

Byron Murphy II was drafted 16th overall by the Seahawks. Laiatu Latu (15th) was the first defensive player drafted.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2024
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Todd McShayTodd McShay

Lad McConkey will be a first-round draft pick

Lad McConkey from Georgia is, is so dynamic in terms of his route running ability... I'm gonna say he's going in the first round.

Ladd McConkey was drafted with the 34th pick, which is the beginning of the second round.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2024
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Todd McShayTodd McShay

Bo Nix is a second-round talent and will not be drafted in the first round

Bo Nix, everyone puts him at 12 to the [Broncos] ... But Bo Nix, if he doesn't go 12 to Denver is a second round pick according to everybody. ... I think there are five quarterbacks that are gonna go. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, JJ, Drake May, JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix. And I think round two is where you'll see Bo Nix.

Bo Nix was drafted 12th overall in the first round by the Denver Broncos.
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Take Slip·Apr 19, 2024
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HankHank

Robert Kraft is going to start getting booed at Patriots events

He is entering territory where it's like he's gonna start getting like boos, which is insane. But like he is, he has set himself up for that... and I could see there being like boos or, or something where like that's gonna, that's gonna rattle him.

Kraft was notably booed during the Tom Brady Roast on Netflix shortly after this and has faced increased scrutiny during the 2024 season.
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Take Slip·Apr 19, 2024·Picks
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HankHank

JJ McCarthy is my 5th ranked QB because he's a game-managing system quarterback

JJ McCarthy... is the bottom... He doesn't throw, he didn't see any long balls or all the long balls are wide open. Short throw. Short throws... he's seen the, he, he was a game manager. System quarterback.

JJ McCarthy was drafted 10th overall by the Vikings, lower than the big 3 and Penix, which aligns with Hank's ranking (5th among the top group).
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Take Slip·Apr 19, 2024·Picks
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HankHank

Drake Maye looks short on film and the ball looks heavy in his hands

Drake Maye... This was the biggest, the biggest deterrent and, and the thing that I see happening the most, the ball seems very heavy in his hands... It just seems like it takes him a long time to get the ball up and out... [He] looked short in the film that I was watching.

Drake Maye is 6'4'', which is tall for a QB, and his arm strength is considered elite by actual scouts, making the 'heavy ball' take highly subjective and likely incorrect.
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