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7X NBA Champion Robert Horry, Coach K Losing His Program And Guys On Chicks

Wednesday, February 17, 202116 takes

Jalen Johnson has opted out and Hank sidetracks us to distract from Coach K losing his empire ( - ). JJ Watt to the Browns? Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Lebron the NFL player and more ( - ). 7 Time NBA Champ Robert Horry joins the show to talk NBA, hitting big shots, Shaq vs Kobe, his favorite coach, and Ruben Patterson the Kobe Stopper ( - ). We finish with guys on chicks.

Robert Horry on 7 Rings, Shaq vs Kobe, and the End of Coach K

The vibes are a little strange in the studio as Billy Football returns from his vacation with a sunburn and zero memories of what happened to his party bracelets. PFT is trying to push through the pain of multiple kidney stones while sporting a PBR cowboy hat he refuses to take off, even though Big Cat and Hank are convinced it’s a cry for help. The big news of the day, however, is the total collapse of the Blue Devils.

The Duke Empire Crumbling

Jalen Johnson has officially opted out of the rest of the season, and for a Duke fan like Hank, it’s a tough pill to swallow. While the media tries to be polite about "opting out," Big Cat and PFT are calling it what it is: the end of an era in Durham. PFT thinks the writing is on the wall for the legendary head coach.

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Feb 17, 2021
#11161
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Coach K’s empire at Duke is officially crumbling

We're totally sidetracking that Duke is—the whole entire empire is crumbling, Hank. Coach K has nothing. He has nothing left.

Duke finished 13-11 in 2021 and missed the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1995. Coach K retired a year later.

Hank tried to defend his program, but even he had to admit that the team is currently a disaster. He isn't holding back on the star freshman who decided he’d seen enough of the bubble life.

Win
Feb 17, 2021
#11163
HankHank

Jalen Johnson is a quitter for opting out of the Duke season

[Jalen Johnson] is a quitter. However, as a Dookie, a diehard Cameron Crazy runs in my blood... If they had a shot, even a chance—they're clearly not going to make the tournament. They're terrible this year. If it was like they were even a bubble team or close to a bubble team and he quit now, it'd be like, alright, fuck this guy forever.

Johnson literally did quit the team mid-season, so the factual part is correct; the value judgment is subjective.

Quarterback Carousel and Hot Seat/Cool Throne

With the NFL offseason in full swing, the trade rumors are flying. PFT has a specific landing spot in mind for a former Heisman winner that could help out the Steelers while Big Ben counts his remaining money.

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Feb 17, 2021
#11167
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Marcus Mariota would be a perfect trade target for the Pittsburgh Steelers

I feel like Marcus Mariota is the guy that nobody's talking about out there... Here's what I would do, though, if I were the Pittsburgh Steelers. I would trade for Marcus Mariota to sit behind Ben for one year.

Mariota was not traded to the Steelers; he remained with the Raiders in 2021 and eventually went to the Falcons in 2022.

Speaking of quarterbacks, Billy has been hard at work on his draft comps. He’s currently scouting Kyle Trask, and the ceiling he’s projecting for the Florida Gator is, let's say, optimistic.

Loss
Feb 17, 2021
#11166
Billy FootballBilly Football

Kyle Trask is Kirk Cousins with Tom Brady upside

I'm working on Kyle Trask right now... I'm thinking Kirk Cousins... That's a mid-level. Tom Brady upside.

Trask has been a career backup and has not shown Tom Brady-level talent or even Kirk Cousins-level starting consistency.

Hot Seat/Cool Throne covered the essential topics of the day, including the MTA worker who got busted on the clock and Big Cat’s refusal to give up red meat for the environment. Big Cat also spent some time defending LeBron’s hypothetical NFL career against the haters who think a 6'9" athletic freak couldn't catch a fade in the end zone.

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Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James could absolutely make an NFL roster and would be the best two-sport athlete of all time

LeBron because he would have been the best two-sport athlete of all time making a NFL roster. I actually believe him. I don't know why anyone would say, oh, LeBron couldn't make an NFL team. No, he absolutely could. Without a doubt.

LeBron never attempted to play in the NFL, so his ability to make a roster remains a hypothetical subjective debate.

Robert Horry: Seven Rings and No Regrets

Seven-time NBA champion Robert Horry joined the show to discuss his legendary career and the "Big Shot Bob" moniker. He walked the guys through the locker room dynamics of the Shaq and Kobe Lakers, noting that the media-fueled beef wasn't always visible to the teammates. He also got honest about his exit from Los Angeles, feeling that the front office didn't value his veteran presence after one bad shooting stretch.

Win
Feb 17, 2021
#26206
Robert HorryRobert Horry

The Lakers traded me because they thought I was washed up after the 2003 playoffs

I had an awful playoff series from three, and the Lakers thought I was washed up. So that's one of the reasons they got rid of me. But I'm like, do you realize that this is – I've won five championships at this moment... My body just was tired.

He was indeed traded/let go by the Lakers following that season, though 'washed up' is his interpretation of their reasoning.

When it comes to coaching, Horry has played for the absolute best in the business. While Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich have the most hardware, Horry explained why Rudy Tomjanovich will always be his favorite.

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Feb 17, 2021
#26205
Robert HorryRobert Horry

Rudy Tomjanovich was a better coach than Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich because he valued player input

My favorite was Rudy because I love it when a coach comes to you and asks you what's the feel of the game, what you see out there... With Phil [Jackson] it's, oh, we're going to run this. With Pop [Popovich], we're going to run this. Rudy did it more often than those two.

Horry is expressing a personal preference based on his professional experience.

He also touched on the modern game, expressing frustration with how the league is officiated today. He’s particularly tired of the "soft" nature of modern stars compared to the 90s, and he has a specific rule change in mind to stop players from hunting for whistles.

Win
Feb 17, 2021
#26207
Robert HorryRobert Horry

The NBA should remove the foul call for shooters lunging into defenders mid-air

I don't like that part where you can jump in the air and a guy lunges into you and you get the call... That was all charges when we played because it wasn't your natural shooting motion... Let's just take that out the game.

The NBA did eventually implement rule changes in the 2021-22 season to limit these 'non-basketball' moves to draw fouls.
"I never was a loser. I guarantee you, we play cards with dominoes right now, I'm going to kick your ass, because I don't lose."

To wrap things up, the guys went through a chaotic round of Guys on Chicks that covered everything from Jar Jar Binks impressions in the bedroom to the anatomical impossibility of a vagina "drinking" bathwater. Billy closed the show with a "fact" about zebras and fire that left everyone more confused than when they started.

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Feb 17, 2021·Numbers
#11180
Billy FootballBilly Football

Zebras run toward grass fires because they can't outrun them

Zebras run towards grass fires because they know they can run through them and get to the other side that's burnt out because they can't outrun the fire.

While some animals may flee to burnt areas to avoid predators, fire generally moves much faster than a zebra, and running into a grass fire is usually fatal. Billy likely saw a specific video or misinterpreted a fact.

At least we know if the studio ever catches fire, Billy is going to run directly into the flames.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Blue-collar workers, specifically train operators, should be allowed to have sex on the clock to improve performance

If you work a blue-collar job, especially if you're a train operator, you should be allowed to have sex on the clock. You don't want someone who's dangerously horny to be driving your train. You want someone who's mellow, relaxed, has that post-nut clarity.

This is a subjective moral and workplace policy argument that is intentionally absurd.
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Big CatBig Cat

The Bears are not Super Bowl contenders even if they trade for Carson Wentz

Something's afoot, and I would like to stem the tide. I don't think I can, but it feels like something's afoot here because the Bears are not a Super Bowl contender with Carson Wentz, especially not with giving up a first-round pick for him.

Wentz was traded to the Colts, not the Bears. However, Big Cat's assessment of Wentz not being a Super Bowl-caliber savior proved correct in Indianapolis.
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Big CatBig Cat

I would definitely eat three steaks a week to help the earth

The recommendation was if you eat less than... If you eat three steaks a week and you decrease it, you will like greatly help the earth. And then someone was like, who the hell is eating three steaks a week? And I just did the Homer Simpson gift. Like I am for sure.

A personal lifestyle claim and preference.
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Feb 17, 2021
#11172
Robert HorryRobert Horry

Players-only meetings are for losers

In my mind, team meetings are for losers because right now you're floundering in the wind, you're getting ready to point some fingers, and people's feelings get hurt in team meetings. If you just talk about it on a constant basis, you get used to it.

This is a subjective philosophy on coaching and leadership from a multi-time champion.
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Feb 17, 2021
#11174
Robert HorryRobert Horry

James Harden handled his exit from the Rockets poorly

Every scenario is different. And in James' way, I think—I love James as a player, I think he handled it wrong... For them to actually still bend over backwards for this guy and send him to where he wants to go shows you how much love they have for him... You should respectfully go to the organization that's done everything for you and do it quietly.

Harden's exit was widely criticized by NBA legends for his lack of professionalism, supporting Horry's viewpoint.
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Feb 17, 2021
#11176
Robert HorryRobert Horry

Modern NBA stars would still be considered 'soft' in the 90s era

If these guys [international players] would have came in during my era, they'd still be soft. Because there was a different era where—guys, you know, you wasn't running over to the monitor because some guys say I got a hit in the head... It makes me so mad now when you see these guys.

This is an unprovable generational comparison commonly made by retired players.
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Feb 17, 2021
#11178
Robert HorryRobert Horry

1999-2000 Shaquille O'Neal was the most dominant player in NBA history

That 2019, 2000 Shaq was probably the most dominant player ever in the NBA because he was in shape. He had no injuries and, he was scared of Phil, and so he wanted to win a championship.

Statistical and historical consensus often ranks Shaq's 2000 season as one of the most dominant individual stretches ever.

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