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Dan Haren, Mt Rushmore Of Positions, And Jilly Football On A Wednesday

Wednesday, July 10, 201917 takes

Our acclaimed intern PMTSportsBiz finally got Rovell to bite so that started the show ( - ). Hank reads all the ads. The Home Run Derby was fucking awesome and of course some no fun baseball writers had terrible takes ( - ). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including NBA reviews and Takies coming Friday ( - ). Former MLB Pitcher and Future Hall of Famer Dan Haren joins the show to talk some baseball, Lakers, intentionally hitting guys, grooving fastballs as an unwritten rule, and not answering our absolute dumbest questions ( - ). Segments include bachelorette talk for guys that don't watch the bachelorette, Mt Rushmore of positions, Floyd Mayweather got crossed up and Jilly Football joins the show for Guys on Chicks.

Dan Haren on Juiced Balls, Laker Heartbreak, and the Art of the Crafty Righty

The vibes are high on this Wednesday show as we navigate the post-Home Run Derby landscape. Big Cat and PFT are still buzzing from the absolute show put on in Cleveland, specifically by the thickest lad in the game, Vlad Guerrero Jr. Even though he didn't technically walk away with the trophy, his performance was the stuff of legends.

Win
Jul 10, 2019
#15536
Big CatBig Cat

Vlad Guerrero Jr. should be in every single Home Run Derby for the rest of time

I want Vlad Guerrero in every single home run derby for the rest of time. He is electric... if you watch Vlad Guerrero take any of his practice swings like a week ago, you knew that he was going to be a show. You knew he was going to be awesome to watch.

Vlad Jr. has been a frequent participant and highlight of the derby since 2019, confirming he is a 'show'.

PFT was quick to point out that while Pete Alonso technically won the million-dollar prize, history might remember things a little differently. It was a classic case of winning the battle but losing the aggregate war of hearts and minds.

Win
Jul 10, 2019
#15538
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Pete Alonso winning the 2019 Home Run Derby will be a Slumdog Millionaire trivia question because Vlad Jr. dominated the aggregate

In about five years, you're going to be asked who won this home run derby. Just remember, it was Pete Alonso. I'm giving you money right now... [Vlad Jr.] didn't win the derby itself because of the way that they reset when you go into the final round.

Pete Alonso did literally win the title, while Vlad Jr. holds the memory of the performance, making the trivia point valid.

The War on Rouben Sandwiches

Before getting into the meat of the show, Big Cat and PFT had to address a developing turf war between our very own intern, Jake Marsh (aka PMT Sports Biz), and the king of the 'well actually,' Darren Rovell. The conflict? A Reuben sandwich at the All-Star game. Jake scooped Rovell on the ingredients, leading to a classic Rovellian meltdown over spelling and social media platforms. It’s peak July content, and frankly, the kind of investigative journalism Jake was hired for.

Dan Haren Joins the Program

Future Hall of Famer and one of our favorite recurring guests, Dan Haren, joined us to talk about his life as a Diamondbacks staffer and a suffering Lakers fan. Dan didn't hold back on his thoughts regarding the NBA offseason, specifically the Lakers' failure to land Kawhi Leonard. He’s skeptical of the current roster construction and who actually runs the show in Hollywood.

Loss
Jul 10, 2019
#15550
Dan HarenDan Haren

The Lakers are Anthony Davis' team, not LeBron James'

I mean, it's Anthony Davis' team. LeBron... you know, I wasn't a huge fan of the whole LeBron thing in the first place, and he was all right last year... I'd rather have Kawhi than LeBron, obviously.

LeBron James was the Finals MVP and clear leader of the 2020 title team, though AD was arguably the best regular season player.

Moving to the diamond, Dan weighed in on the hottest debate in baseball: the juiced balls. As a guy who built a career on precision, he’s not buying the official denials from the commissioner’s office. He also reflected on the dying breed of the 'crafty righty' in an era where everyone is chasing 100 mph and launch angles.

Win
Jul 10, 2019
#25517
Dan HarenDan Haren

I was one of the last 'crafty righties' in Major League Baseball

The type of pitcher that I was is just completely gone now. Like, there's not too many guys. I mean, there's a few like crafty lefties, but very few crafty righties. I was one of the last crafty righties. That's for sure.

The increase in average fastball velocity has indeed marginalized the 'crafty righty' archetype that Haren embodied.
Win
Jul 10, 2019
#15553
Dan HarenDan Haren

MLB baseballs are definitely juiced and it's stupid to deny it

Well, there's absolutely I mean, there's something different I don't think any I mean Manfred's the only guy that's denying this but i mean they're on pace record pace for homers... there's no doubt. I mean, it's juiced. I can't believe they keep denying it.

Studies later confirmed that the manufacturing of the balls changed to reduce drag, effectively 'juicing' them.

We also touched on the growth of analytics in the clubhouse. While some old-school guys might resist, Dan explained that the results eventually speak for themselves, even if it changes how the game is played on a fundamental level.

Win
Jul 10, 2019
#25516
Dan HarenDan Haren

Analytics actually work and players eventually buy in when they see the results

I think people were opposed to it at first, and then guys realized how much it works... when analytics was first a thing, guys didn't want to buy it, and now they see how much it works, and you can just see it.

His observation of the shift in MLB culture is consistent with the widespread adoption of analytics across the league.

Mount Rushmore of Positions

Mount Rushmore season continues with a very open-ended look at positions. PFT came out strong with "Lying Down" and "Fullback," while Big Cat opted for "Quarterback" and the controversial "Reclining." Hank, true to form, tried to draft "Second-born Prince" and "Bench Coach," further cementing his status as a guy who wants all the perks of success with none of the pressure of driving the bus.

Things took a turn for the physiological when Big Cat introduced a very specific technique for when your body is backed up and needs a release.

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Big CatBig Cat

If you have a stubborn fart, you should get on all fours like a dog to release it

You know when you've got to really fart bad and you can't and you get on all fours? That's a good position... Someday my son's going to come out and be like, well, dad, why are you on the floor? I got to fart. Son, this is how we fart.

Biologically, this position (similar to child's pose) can indeed help with gas relief.

Jilly Football and Guys on Chicks

To wrap things up, we had a special Wednesday appearance from Jilly Football. She gave us her perspective on the Bachelorette drama involving Hannah B. and the infamous Luke P. Jilly was surprisingly supportive of Hannah’s decision to expand the fantasy suite roster, viewing it as a veteran move in the game of love.

Void
Jul 10, 2019
#15558
Jilly FootballJilly Football

The Bachelorette having four fantasy suite dates instead of three is a smart life hack

Hannah couldn't decide who to give the final rose to... so she gave them both a rose, which means Hannah will have four fantasy suite dates instead of three... She just hacked the bachelorette by having more sex. She was like i realized that i could get more laid than other bachelorettes

This is a subjective evaluation of a reality TV strategy.

Jilly also didn't mince words when it came to the Home Run Derby field, specifically taking aim at Christian Yelich's physique compared to the big boys who actually showed up to mash.

Loss
Jilly FootballJilly Football

Christian Yelich is not a true home run hitter because he's too skinny

Yellich sucks. He's not good enough to win a home run derby. I still, even a year later, even though he's, like, got 31 home runs or whatever. He doesn't have a home run swing. No, he does not. He's too skinny.

Yelich had 44 HRs in 2019 and was one of the most powerful hitters in the league at the time.

Make sure to tune in Friday for the Takeys, the most prestigious award show in sports media.

See you on the other side of the most star-studded event of the year.

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More Takes

Win
Jul 10, 2019
#15540
Big CatBig Cat

Hitting a home run is the ultimate way to beat the shift

You learn the rules of baseball because isn't hitting a home run beating the shift every single time? You just actually blew my mind. You beat the shift when you hit a home run over everyone.

A home run clears all defenders regardless of where they are positioned on the field.
Push
Jul 10, 2019
#15544
Big CatBig Cat

Mic'ing up baseball players might actually save baseball

We were watching and they had someone at bat who was mic'd up. I think it was Freddie Freeman. And I have to admit, I think it might save baseball. With all that said, it could definitely save baseball.

While it didn't 'save' baseball from its regional nature, mic'd up segments have become extremely popular and a staple of Sunday Night Baseball.
Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

I am in favor of the 'footballization' of every other sport

I'm in support of the footballization of any other sport. I want there to be a [challenge] flag. I want there to be the footballization of any other sport.

This is a subjective preference for how sports should be structured.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Challenges and replay in sports are bad because they prevent fans from complaining about being screwed

I'm firmly in the stance that everyone who wants more replay and more challenges, what you're going to do is you're going to get a world where we can't complain about anything. And watching sports is half of it is winning. And the other half is saying why your team didn't lose. They got screwed.

Replay has arguably increased frustration and delay without eliminating all complaints, supporting Big Cat's premise.
Win
Big CatBig Cat

I love Cameron Payne playing in the NBA Summer League after four years in the NBA

My hot seat is the summer league... except Cameron Payne, who is in the summer league, and he's just finished his fourth year in the NBA. He is competing in the summer league. I fucking love this... I hope he plays past when he retires from the NBA and he keeps showing up for the summer league.

Cameron Payne used that Summer League stint to get another chance and eventually became a high-level backup for the Suns.
Loss
Jul 10, 2019
#15548
Dan HarenDan Haren

The Clippers are a better team than the Lakers heading into the 2019 season

Well, I think the Clippers are better, and I wanted them to get like a knockdown shooter to go along with those two guys... when they struck out on Kawhi, it's just they got a bunch of kind of filler pieces. I mean, I guess they're a little deeper maybe than the Clippers, but I don't know.

The Lakers won the 2020 NBA Championship while the Clippers collapsed in the second round of the playoffs.
Loss
Jul 10, 2019
#15554
Dan HarenDan Haren

The 2019 World Series will be the Diamondbacks vs. the Yankees

Oh you have to say Diamondbacks yeah I have to say the Diamondbacks yes okay against the Yankees okay okay the Yankees little throwback to what was that 2001.

The 2019 World Series was the Nationals vs. the Astros. Neither of Haren's teams made it.
Loss
Jul 10, 2019
#25518
Dan HarenDan Haren

Things are finally looking up for the New York Jets with Sam Darnold

My parents grew up in New York, and I was raised a Jets fan. It's been rough. [But] I think things are looking better. [Sam Darnold] will be awesome.

Sam Darnold's tenure with the Jets was unsuccessful, and the team continued to struggle, making this optimism incorrect.

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