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Former MLB Manager Bobby Valentine, Suns In 4 And Segments Are Back

Monday, June 14, 202123 takes

Suns in 4. The fight video that went viral proved prophetic as the Suns complete the sweep of the Nuggets ( - ). We talk about the weekend in sports and ate a ton of Papadillas ( - ). The Waterdogs are all the way back ( - ). Who's back of the week including Jeffery Toobin apologized for his jacking off ( - ). Former MLB Manager Bobby Valentine joins the show to talk about inventing the wrap, the famous mustache game, UFO's and running for mayor of Stamford ( - 1). Segments include Talking Soccer, Talking Tennis, Happy Birthday Hank, and Sabermetrics.

Bobby Valentine on Inventing the Wrap, the Mustache Game, and NASA’s Role in Stealing Signs

The Phoenix Suns have officially become the team of destiny after sweeping the Nuggets, but the real story remains the legendary "Suns in 4" fan. Big Cat is already preparing the championship ring for the man who defended the low ground in a Steve Nash jersey while delivering some of the cleanest uppercuts the internet has ever seen.

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Jun 14, 2021
#7104
Big CatBig Cat

The Suns fan from the 'Suns in 4' fight needs a championship ring

The bottom line is if they [the Suns] win, if they win the NBA finals this year, that guy needs a ring. He needs a ring for sure. And he needs to do the pregame ceremony.

The Suns reached the Finals but lost to the Bucks, and the fan did not receive an official ring.

While the Suns are soaring, the Nuggets are heading home after a series that ended on a sour note. Big Cat was not a fan of the officiating in the final game, specifically the decision to toss the Joker for a play that looked more like a typical playoff foul than a malicious act.

Void
Jun 14, 2021
#7105
Big CatBig Cat

Nikola Jokic's ejection in Game 4 was total bullshit

The Jokic ejection was bullshit. It was bullshit. Having that be an ejection was so, so stupid. I don't know if that changes the game... but yes, ejecting the reigning MVP, that's going to have an effect on it.

This is a subjective opinion on officiating, though widely shared by commentators.

The Nets, The Sixers, and the Rato Curse

With Kyrie Irving going down and James Harden still hampered, the invincible Nets are starting to look human. Big Cat still maintains that when they are actually on the court, they are the class of the league, but the mounting injuries are making the path to a title significantly steeper.

Void
Jun 14, 2021
#7106
Big CatBig Cat

The Brooklyn Nets are still the best team in the NBA when at full strength

Obviously the Nets at full strength are probably the best team in the NBA and better than the Bucks. But at some point you do have to admit that Kyrie Irving, James Harden, those guys do get injured.

Subjective, but the Nets did lose in 7 games after injuries to Irving and Harden.

Everything hinges on Kevin Durant now. With the series shifting back to Brooklyn, the guys are looking at Game 5 as the moment that defines KD’s legacy. If he can’t carry this shorthanded squad, the torch might be passing to a new superstar in the East.

Win
Jun 14, 2021
#7107
Big CatBig Cat

Game 5 against the Bucks is a legacy game for Kevin Durant

Is this a legacy game for Kevin Durant on Tuesday night? It's a must-win. If you want to jump to legacy... if he doesn't win this legacy game, there needs to be a new torch.

Durant had 49 points, 17 rebounds, and 10 assists in Game 5, widely considered one of the best playoff performances ever, cementnig his legacy despite the series loss.

While everyone is focused on the Nets' health, PFT is looking at the Philadelphia 76ers as the real powerhouse. They’ve been quietly dismantling the Hawks and look like a team that is peak-prepared for whoever survives the Milwaukee-Brooklyn slugfest.

Loss
Jun 14, 2021
#7108
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Philadelphia 76ers are the best team in the NBA right now

The Sixers might just be the best team of these who are just kind of waiting or the best team in the NBA who were just waiting because they have sort of destroyed the Hawks the last two games.

The Sixers lost to the Hawks in the second round, so they were definitely not the best team.

In the NHL, the Colorado Avalanche suffered a collapse that defied logic. After being billed as an unstoppable wagon, they completely lamed out. Big Cat has officially diagnosed the city of Denver with the "Rato Curse," a string of eight straight playoff losses across two sports that serves as the ultimate sacrifice to the football gods.

Loss
Jun 14, 2021
#28789
Big CatBig Cat

The Colorado 'Rato Curse' is the price the city must pay to trade for Aaron Rodgers.

The Rato Curse... to not have a win, have two teams deep in the playoffs and not have a fucking win in the two weeks... It's the bargain with the devil that you have to make in order to get Aaron Rodgers traded to your city.

Aaron Rodgers was eventually traded to the New York Jets, not the Denver Broncos.

Bobby Valentine: The Inventor of the Wrap

Former MLB manager Bobby Valentine joined the show for a truly electric interview that covered everything from his managerial career to his current run for mayor of Stamford, Connecticut. The biggest takeaway? Bobby isn't just a baseball guy; he’s an innovator who revolutionized the lunch game.

Void
Jun 14, 2021
#7113
Bobby ValentineBobby Valentine

I invented the wrap sandwich in 1981

A couple of the really school reporters up there decided that they'd get their friends at the Wall Street Journal to do a national search to find out who had a wrap sandwich on the menu before 1981. And guess what? They couldn't find anyone. And they said I invented the wrap.

While Valentine is a major proponent of the wrap through his restaurant, various cultures have used similar food wraps for centuries. In terms of the American 'wrap sandwich' category, he is often credited, but it is not a settled historical fact.

Bobby also cleared the air on some of his career decisions, admitting that his stint with the Red Sox was a mistake from the jump. He noted that if he could go back to 2012, he would have stayed at the ESPN desk rather than trying to police a clubhouse that was already deep into the chicken-and-beer era.

Void
Jun 14, 2021
#28788
Bobby ValentineBobby Valentine

I should have stayed at ESPN instead of taking the Red Sox manager job in 2012.

I would've stayed at ESPN. They were ready to give me a multi-year contract and I was loving the job.

This is a personal feeling about a career decision.

He also gave us his theory on the Houston Astros' sign-stealing scandal, suggesting that garbage cans were just the tip of the iceberg and that NASA-level technology was likely involved in the relay process.

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Jun 14, 2021
#7115
Bobby ValentineBobby Valentine

The Houston Astros weren't just banging on garbage cans—they were using NASA technology

If the Astros got this technology from NASA that was going to steal these signs and relay them to the dugout on internet wifi... believe me guys, they wouldn't be banging on a garbage drum and give the hitter signal. It had to be very high-tech guys.

The MLB investigation officially found the banging on garbage cans was the primary method, though electronic buzzers were widely rumored but never proven.

Beyond baseball and politics, Bobby shared some truly out-of-this-world experiences. He is a firm believer in life beyond Earth, having spotted UFOs at Shea Stadium and during a camping trip in the Grand Canyon.

Void
Jun 14, 2021
#7117
Bobby ValentineBobby Valentine

I saw a UFO above Shea Stadium and another over the Colorado River

I saw a UFO once... I believe you. I saw one during a press conference. Yeah, and we stopped at Chase [Shea] Stadium. Everyone looked, everyone pointed. I said to the press, 'Did you see that?'... I think there's stuff up there.

The existence of UAPs is now acknowledged by the government, but the specific Shea Stadium event is unverified.

Who's Back and Talking Soccer

Who’s Back featured a return to form for Jeffrey Toobin, who made a comeback on CNN after his infamous Zoom incident. Big Cat thinks Toobin needs to stop apologizing and simply lean into his new identity as the guy who loves his own company a little too much.

Void
Jun 14, 2021·Who's Back
#7111
Big CatBig Cat

Jeffrey Toobin should own his scandal and become 'the jack off guy'

He should have been like, 'Hey guys, listen, I'm a guy. I jerk off.' You know what? You should trust me more because I'm just a regular guy who jerks off and guess what? This is my pledge to you. I will not do it in front of any more cameras. Lean into it. You have to own it at this point. Just become the jack off guy.

Subjective career advice. Toobin did not lean into it and eventually left CNN in 2022.

Over in the world of soccer, the Euros got off to a terrifying start with Christian Eriksen’s collapse on the pitch. While the scene was harrowing, Big Cat praised the decision to eventually resume the game once it was clear Eriksen was awake and stable. He also took a swing at the professional "Read the Room" posters on Twitter who spend their time policing everyone else’s reactions during a crisis.

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Big CatBig Cat

'Read the room' people on Twitter are the worst.

The 'read the room' people are the worst people in the world because I still can't for the life of me understand how being affected by something and then spending that time immediately after replying to other people to 'read the room' is you showing your lack of room-reading abilities.

Subjective opinion on social media behavior.

Finally, the guys tackled the new NFL jersey rule as Julio Jones debuted his No. 2 jersey in Tennessee. PFT is strictly against wide receivers wearing single digits, arguing it destroys the visual hierarchy of the sport.

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Jun 14, 2021·Sabermetrics
#7122
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Wide receivers wearing single-digit jersey numbers is wrong

Julio Jones, he's wearing number two in Tennessee. I'm still not comfortable on a personal level with wide receivers wearing single digits. It's going to fuck my brain up... Number two is a bad kicker or a slow quarterback.

Subjective aesthetic opinion.

Maybe the No. 2 will help Julio look a little faster, but it's going to take a long time to get used to seeing a Hall of Fame wideout dressed like a punter.

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Void
Jun 14, 2021
#28790
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

'Same height parties' should be normalized.

Normalize same height parties where you show up and they measure you at the door. And depending on how tall you are, they give you these like lifts that you walk around in that bring you up to the exact same height as the tallest person at the party.

Social norms are subjective; there is no objective measure for whether they should be normalized.
Loss
Jun 14, 2021
#7109
Big CatBig Cat

The Colorado Avalanche were the greatest team to never win a Stanley Cup

The Avalanche were the greatest team to never win a Stanley Cup. Yep. I like that. I mean, lamed out... we were told the Avalanche were just going to shit-pump everybody.

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Hyperbolic claim. The Avalanche won the Cup the very next year (2022).
Loss
Jun 14, 2021
#7110
Big CatBig Cat

I will move the Waterdogs if they go on a two-game losing streak

If we go on a two-game losing streak at any point, we're going to move the team. We're moving it... we'll fucking do anything. We'll stop paying the players if we have to make them play better.

The Waterdogs were not moved; the PLL uses a touring model, so they don't have a home city anyway.
Void
Jun 14, 2021·Who's Back
#28786
Big CatBig Cat

Tampa Bay is a terrible sports town.

Bad sports town, bad sports town. Actually, it's crazy like Tampa Bay... they had no excuse to be this type of bad sports town until the last like two years now they're the epicenter of everything.

This is an inherently subjective opinion about a city's fan base and sports culture.
Void
Jun 14, 2021·Who's Back
#7112
Big CatBig Cat

Anthony Rizzo's home run made everyone forget about his vaccination status

Anthony Rizzo was under fire on Friday because he didn't get vaccinated. But then he had like one of those 16-pitch at-bats where he had a home run... pretty much all is forgiven. And nobody's going to bring up the vaccination stuff after an at-bat like that.

Subjective observation of sports discourse.
Push
Jun 14, 2021
#28792
Big CatBig Cat

The Suns are a team of destiny until Chris Paul inevitably gets hurt.

Do you think that the Suns are a team of destiny? ... I think so, until Chris Paul gets hurt, because that's going to happen.

The Suns made the Finals but lost to the Bucks; Chris Paul dealt with minor injuries but played through the series, so the 'destiny' portion was only partially fulfilled.
Void
Jun 14, 2021
#28791
Bobby ValentineBobby Valentine

Being a manager and getting ejected from a game is theatrical work.

It's all theatrical work there... you didn't want to waste their [the players'] time if it wasn't a good act. So you had to have your stuff together.

This is an insider's perspective on the culture of professional baseball.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Calling off the Denmark vs. Finland match after Christian Eriksen's collapse was the right move.

They called the game off, which was probably the right thing to do... then Christian Eriksen gets on a zoom call... tells them, I want you guys to play the game. Then they went out there and played.

This is a moral and procedural opinion on sports management during a crisis.
Win
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Football is 'coming home' for England in the Euros

All I'm saying about the Euros, it's coming home. Yeah, it's coming home. Something just very special about pasty white English fans ripping off their shirts... Football's coming home. And then they're going to lose in tragic fashion.

England reached the final but lost to Italy on penalties—exactly the 'tragic fashion' PFT noted.
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Big CatBig Cat

If Novak Djokovic ties Federer and Nadal in Grand Slams, he is the GOAT

Once he equalizes with Federer and Nadal, I think at that point it's like, yeah, Djokovic is GOAT. And head-to-head he's dominated both of them, right?

Djokovic eventually surpassed both (reaching 24 titles) and is now widely considered the GOAT by statistical standards.

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