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Monday, October 9, 201719 takes

Fastest 2 minutes of Football for NFL Week 5. The Dolphins O-Line coach loves cocaine, allegedly. Big Ben may be done and JJ Watt's ambulance stole the show ( - ) Who's Back of the Week and Football Guy of the Week ( - ). We welcome on former Colt and Wisconsin Badger Jim Sorgi to talk about backing up Peyton Manning, getting choked by Ohio State, and the mentality of a backup QB in the NFL ( - ). We had about 10 minutes with recurring guest Vince Wilfork to talk about the sounds quarterbacks make when they get sacked and the U being back ( - ). Segments include Hurt or Injured for the entire Giants roster, Talking Soccer, Whats the internet mad about today, and PR 101 for Aroldis Chapman.

Jim Sorgi and Vince Wilfork on Peyton Manning, Backup Life, and the U

NFL Week 5 was a weird one, and Big Cat and PFT Commenter wasted no time jumping into the strangest story of the weekend: the Miami Dolphins offensive line coach allegedly caught on video doing lines of white powder before a meeting. While the rest of the media was clutching pearls, the guys were looking at the silver lining of high-energy coaching.

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Oct 9, 2017
#25596
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Offensive line coaches should be recreational cocaine users to stay amped for the job

I don't have a problem with an offensive line coach just doing a little recreational blow as long as it's on the job. If you use it just to get amped up before a meeting, what's the difference between that and just banging a monster?

The Dolphins offensive line coach Chris Foerster resigned shortly after this video surfaced; it is not considered acceptable behavior in the NFL.

Big Cat was even more emphatic about the benefits of a coach who is constantly amped up, suggesting it shouldn't just be limited to the guys coaching the big fellas upfront.

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Oct 9, 2017
#25597
Big CatBig Cat

I want all offensive line coaches to be slightly high on cocaine at all times

I want my offensive line coaches to be slightly high on cocaine at all times. Them and my strength and conditioning guys, they should just have a room. That's just like the coke room.

This is a satirical take that would be factually rejected by any professional sports organization.

On the field, the Giants fell to 0-5, and PFT declared a definitive winner in the most famous trade in Giants history. Between the losing record and Odell Beckham Jr. suffering a season-ending injury, the vibes in New York are officially at rock bottom.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Chargers won the Eli Manning trade once and for all because the Giants are 0-5

Odell Beckham, more like 0-5, Odell Beckham. The Giants remain winless, and the Chargers win the Eli Manning-Philip Rivers trade once and for all.

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Eli Manning has two Super Bowls to Philip Rivers' zero, so the trade is widely considered a win for the Giants regardless of the 2017 record.

Speaking of season-ending injuries, J.J. Watt’s tibial plateau fracture had the guys playing amateur doctor. PFT’s Google research led to some grim conclusions about the future of the Texans' star, noting that this might be the end of the road for the high-motor legend.

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Oct 9, 2017
#5511
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

JJ Watt might legitimately be forced into retirement by this injury

It's a tibial plateau fracture and as somebody with Google I can now report with confidence that he's fucked... This might be like legit retirement for J.J. Watt. Not Players' Tribune fakery.

Watt returned and played five more seasons (including a First-Team All-Pro season in 2018) before retiring in 2022.

Jim Sorgi on the Sheriff and the Backup Mentality

Former Colts and Wisconsin quarterback Jim Sorgi joined the show to discuss Peyton Manning’s number retirement and what it’s actually like to spend years in the shadow of the Sheriff. Sorgi detailed his game-day duties, which mostly consisted of being a "yes man" to Peyton and reaffirming things the future Hall of Famer already knew. Big Cat made sure to give Sorgi his flowers as a Badger legend, even if he had to get creative with the rankings.

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Oct 9, 2017
#25598
Big CatBig Cat

Jim Sorgi is the greatest Wisconsin quarterback of all time

You are probably the best Wisconsin quarterback of all time, and I'm just going to do—I'm going to say Russ [Wilson] is NC State for this debate.

Subjective opinion based on selective criteria (excluding transfers).

Sorgi was humble about his place in Wisconsin history, acknowledging that the ceiling for Badgers quarterbacks changed the moment Russell Wilson stepped onto campus in Madison.

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Oct 9, 2017
#25599
JS
Jim Sorgi

Wisconsin will never have another quarterback reach the level of Russell Wilson

Ever since Russell Wilson came and spent that one year there and everything he's done, you're never going to have a quarterback again that's going to kind of get to that level I don't think.

While Wisconsin has had decent QBs since, none have approached Wilson's NFL success or collegiate efficiency as of 2024.

One of the most revealing moments of the interview came when Sorgi discussed the culinary habits of Colts quarterbacks at St. Elmo’s Steakhouse. While Peyton was a man of culture, his successor apparently missed the memo on how to behave at a world-class steakhouse.

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Oct 9, 2017
#5515
Big CatBig Cat

Andrew Luck is not a Super Bowl winning quarterback because he orders chicken at steakhouses

I asked what Andrew Luck's order was [at St. Elmo's], and they said he usually gets chicken. So that's been my big red flag. My one red flag is he orders chicken at a steakhouse. That's not a Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

Andrew Luck retired early in 2019 without winning a Super Bowl, though the reasoning here remains hilarious rather than scientific.

Big Vince is Back

Recurring guest and future Hall of Famer Vince Wilfork stopped by for a quick ten minutes to talk retirement and his love for the Miami Hurricanes. Despite the Patriots' defensive struggles, Wilfork made it clear that no amount of money could get him back into a pair of cleats.

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Oct 9, 2017
#5516
Vince WilforkVince Wilfork

I will never come out of retirement, no matter the offer

No amount of money will make me move from retirement... Physically nothing is wrong with me. I've been playing football for 20 years. I think it was time for me to give it a break and give it a rest.

Vince Wilfork remained retired.

Wilfork did confirm one of the greatest football hypotheticals of all time, agreeing that the early 2000s Hurricanes teams were essentially an NFL roster playing against college kids.

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Oct 9, 2017
#5517
Vince WilforkVince Wilfork

The early 2000s Miami Hurricanes defense could have beaten NFL teams

I agree. I mean, it was some, we could have beat some NFL teams, absolutely. [Could you have taken the Browns?] Absolutely.

This is an untestable hypothetical, but widely considered impossible due to the sheer size and depth advantage of even the worst NFL teams.

Before letting him go, the guys had to check in on the most important athletic metric in New England: the foot race between Wilfork and Tom Brady. Despite being away from the game for a few months, Big Vince isn't conceding an inch to TB12.

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Oct 9, 2017
#5518
Vince WilforkVince Wilfork

I am still faster than Tom Brady in a foot race

[You once said that you were faster than Tom Brady. Is that still true?] Oh, yeah, of course. [Foot race, no question?] Yes, no question. [Is he that slow, or are you that fast?] No, I'm that fast.

Brady's 40-yard dash time was 5.28; Wilfork's was 5.08. Technically, Wilfork was faster at the combine.

To wrap up the show, the guys looked at the disaster in East Rutherford. Ben McAdoo has officially reached the "taking away the music" stage of a failing coaching tenure. Big Cat noted that once the fun is gone, the pink slip usually follows shortly after.

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Oct 9, 2017
#5519
Big CatBig Cat

Ben McAdoo is about to be fired after taking away the team's practice music

That is the last thing you do before you get fired. Take away the team's music. No more fun on this team. The ping-pong table, they take that out of the player's room, and they're like, it's over.

McAdoo was indeed fired later that season.

If the Giants need any inspiration, they should look at LSU, where Big Cat remains the only person on earth who thinks Ed Orgeron is doing a perfect job.

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Oct 9, 2017·Who's Back
#5514
Big CatBig Cat

Coach Ed Orgeron was never on the hot seat at LSU

I'm staying resolute in my support of Coach O. I don't think he was ever on the hot seat. Don't think he's ever going to be on the hot seat.

Orgeron was famously on the hot seat multiple times and was eventually reached a mutual separation with LSU in 2021, despite winning a title.

Good luck to the Szechuan sauce nerds waiting in line at McDonald's, we hope your nuggets were worth the fifteen-hour wait.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Eagles have no possible way to screw up this winning season

Philadelphia's got their blue-collar quarterback and a winning team. There is no possible way they can screw this one up, folks.

The Eagles actually won Super Bowl LII, making this sarcastic 'jinx' prediction literally correct.
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Oct 9, 2017
#5509
Big CatBig Cat

The Jaguars are actually a good football team

By the way, the Jaguars are actually good, which is the most bizarre sentence to say, but they are very, very close. We need actually a meter.

The Jaguars reached the AFC Championship game this season and nearly beat the Patriots.
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Oct 9, 2017
#5510
Big CatBig Cat

The Chiefs might be the best team in football

Chiefs might actually be the best team in football. They're fun to watch. I like Andy Reid's offense and how they have Alex Smith is actually throwing touchdown passes.

The Chiefs finished 10-6 and lost in the Wild Card round, while the Eagles/Patriots were arguably better.
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Oct 9, 2017·Who's Back
#5512
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Miami Hurricanes are back big time

My Who's Back of the Week, first of all, is a no-brainer. It's the U. The U's back big time.

Miami went 10-3 and lost the Orange Bowl; they were briefly relevant but haven't sustained it since.
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Oct 9, 2017·Who's Back
#5513
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Washington sports teams will win the World Series and Stanley Cup this year

Washington is back. It's the Nats year. It's the Caps year... So they're going to win the World Series. They're going to win the Stanley Cup.

The Capitals won the Stanley Cup in June 2018 and the Nationals won the World Series in 2019. While he said 'this year', the era of D.C. dominance he predicted actually happened.
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Oct 9, 2017
#25600
JS
Jim Sorgi

I would have liked my chances to get a starting job if I were still with the Colts in 2011

I got released after the 2009 season... and then 2011, [Peyton Manning] ends up missing the whole season. That would have been a nice opportunity to kind of get in there and play some games and show what you got and maybe get a pretty good contract from somebody else.

Purely hypothetical, but Sorgi's familiarity with the system makes it a plausible claim.
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Oct 9, 2017
#25601
Vince WilforkVince Wilfork

The Patriots defense is never better without JJ Watt

When you have the best defensive player in the league, your defense is going to never be better without him.

The Texans defense statistically plummeted in the years following Watt's prime and injuries.

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