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Ryen Russillo, OKC Thunder Center Isaiah Hartenstein, Mt Rushmore Of M Things + Listener Submitted FAQ'S

Wednesday, June 25, 202512 takes

The Thunder have their parade day and we talk about the Celtics dismantling their championship roster (-). We talk some NFL and an all time Hank moment plus Rodgers retirement tour (-). Hot Seat Chill Throne including a battle over AI, PFT is going to try to learn to fly, Joe Burrow throwing a baseball and more (-). Mt Rushmore of M things (-). Ryen Russillo is on the show to talk NBA Draft, clean up of Game 7, will all the Duke players be awesome, and running a 6 minute mile (-). Isaiah Hartenstein joins the show to talk about winning the title, his baby going viral, how great the Thunder were at Defense and more (-). We finish the show with listener submitted FAQ's (-).

Ryen Russillo and Isaiah Hartenstein on the NBA Draft and OKC's Title

The Oklahoma City Thunder finally had their parade, and Big Cat and PFT are basking in the glory of their good friend Alex Caruso becoming an NBA champion. While the city of Oklahoma City celebrated by giving every player their own official day, the guys couldn't help but notice how the young core handled the victory. Jalen Williams claimed he had his first drink ever during the celebration, which led to a discussion about the proper cadence for future libations.

Void
Jun 25, 2025
#24460
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

NBA players should only drink alcohol when they win a championship

What I'm saying for [Jalen Williams] is he should not say he's never gonna drink again. Because you should drink just only when you win an NBA championship. I'll see you next year beer.

This is a subjective lifestyle choice/philosophy.

Hank, meanwhile, is dealing with the immediate dismantling of his championship Celtics roster. With Kristaps Porziņģis and Jrue Holiday gone just a year after the duck boats, Hank is trying to convince himself that the Celtics fleeced the Trail Blazers for Anfernee Simons. The energy shifted quickly to Chet Holmgren, who looked absolutely obliterated at the parade despite his lanky frame.

Void
Jun 25, 2025
#16329
Big CatBig Cat

Chet Holmgren is a two-can drunk

How many beers do you think it takes Chet [Holmgren] to get drunk? I think it's like, I think he's a two can. I think two beers and a cigarette. Yeah. And he was puking.

Subjective claim about a player's alcohol tolerance.

Hot Seat and Cool Throne

Hot Seat/Cool Throne featured a deep dive into the world of AI, where Zac warned that we are rapidly approaching a point of no return for reality on the internet. Between AI DJs and kittens jumping off high dives, the line is blurring.

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ZacZac

Within six months, humans will be unable to distinguish AI from reality

My Hot Seat is pretty much everybody on earth. We probably need to come together and realize that we can't tell anymore. No. There's like, and I thought this would be like a decade, 15, 20 years from now. It's, I think it's in the next six months where it's here, it's absolutely finished and there's no need in getting on the internet. 'Cause you have no clue what you're looking at.

As of December 2025, humans can still generally distinguish AI-generated content from reality, though AI has improved significantly. The prediction of complete indistinguishability within 6 months was premature.

Big Cat put Joe Burrow’s viral (and terrible) baseball throw on the Hot Seat. While some fans were worried about the QB’s shoulder, Big Cat sees the hand of Michael Rubin and Fanatics behind the scenes.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

Joe Burrow's bad baseball throw was a paid viral moment

My spin zone is that Michael Rubin just paid off every single person that had anything to do with Fanatics Fest and... Joe Burrow, you're gonna throw a baseball poorly. I actually think that he probably bought viral moments. I actually think that he probably bought viral moments... It's titled Joe Burrow throws a baseball poorly and here's the offer sheet.

Highly subjective and speculative theory about marketing tactics.

PFT floated a bold strategy for the Washington Wizards to fix their attendance issues, suggesting they should look outside the traditional draft pool to find a real needle-mover.

Loss
Jun 25, 2025
#16333
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Wizards should draft Caitlin Clark to sell tickets

Why don't the [Wizards] draft Caitlin Clark? I think she'd sell tickets. I think she'd sell tickets. Now is, is she at the ability level to be an NBA player? No. Obviously not. But sell tickets. She can go out there, there ball and hoop. She can hit a couple threes.

Caitlin Clark was not drafted into the NBA in 2025.

Ryen Russillo and the NBA Draft

Our good friend Ryen Russillo joined the show to clean up the NBA Finals and look ahead to the draft. He broke down why the Houston Rockets are actually the perfect landing spot for Kevin Durant, specifically regarding their need for a closer who can actually get a bucket when the game is on the line.

Void
Jun 25, 2025
#16340
Ryen RussilloRyen Russillo

The Houston Rockets are a great fit for Kevin Durant because they lack a clear number one scoring option in the clutch

I think it's a great fit for him... they would've loved for [the closer] to be Jalen Green... He was not that guy against Golden State... they need something else on the wing that they can really depend on... [Kevin Durant] is desperately what they needed on offense. Like go get us those closing playoff moment buckets.

KD did not end up on the Rockets in this cycle, so we can't see the fit in action.

The conversation moved to the Duke trio of Cooper Flagg, Kon Knueppel, and Khaman Maluach. Russillo is high on all three, noting that Flagg’s competitiveness is what really sets him apart from the field.

Open
Jun 25, 2025
#16342
Ryen RussilloRyen Russillo

The Duke trio of Flagg, Knueppel, and Maluach are all special NBA prospects

I like all three guys a lot. [Cooper] Flagg... anticipation, the defense, I mean it just, his passing all this stuff is that he's a, he's a real competitor... [Kon] Knueppel iss like he's, he's gonna be very good pro... [Khaman] Maluach... he stays in front of [guards] by moving his feet... Those three guys are really special prospects.

Their NBA success will be determined over the next several years.

When looking at the slide of Ace Bailey, Ryen provided some insight into the behind-the-scenes maneuvering that happens during draft season when camps start playing games with visits and workouts.

Push
Jun 25, 2025
#24463
Ryen RussilloRyen Russillo

Ace Bailey's draft stock is falling because his camp is trying to manipulate which team picks him

Are they trying to navigate this thing to get [Ace] Bailey from three to say six because they feel like there's a ton of shots and ton of points... they're gonna make back all the money that he loses dropping a few slots.

Russillo speculated Ace Bailey's camp was trying to manipulate his draft stock to drop from 3 to around 6. Bailey did fall from the projected top 3 (his camp reportedly told a top-5 team not to pick him), landing at 5th overall to the Utah Jazz. The general thesis about draft manipulation was validated, though the specific landing spot was 5 not 6.

He also didn't hold back on Bradley Beal’s current status in Phoenix, suggesting that the former Wizard has reached a level of "checked out" that is almost impressive if it wasn't so detrimental to a winning environment.

Void
Jun 25, 2025
#16341
Ryen RussilloRyen Russillo

Bradley Beal has the least competitive pride relative to talent in the NBA

I mean 'cause [Bradley Beal] is just so checked out. He's totally, I think the scary thing about him is that, you know, I think anybody you think like if you're this good then there has to be some competitive pride in you. And he may have the least, there may be the biggest gap between just talent and how much he doesn't care. Yeah. Of any [player].

Subjective characterization of a player's mental state.

Isaiah Hartenstein and Mt. Rushmore Season

Fresh off the championship, Isaiah Hartenstein hopped on to talk about the culture in OKC. He credited the team's defensive identity as the reason they were never out of a game, even when shots weren't falling.

Win
Jun 25, 2025
#24464
IH
Isaiah Hartenstein

The 2024-25 Thunder didn't have a single 'weak link' on defense

To me, I don't think we really had a weak link on defense. I mean even [Shai Gilgeous-Alexander] is a great defender to me. So it's like when you have five guys on the court at all time... I've probably never played on a team where top to bottom, we all had great defenders.

The Thunder finished as a top-ranked defense, supporting this claim.

He also discussed the viral moment of his son sleeping through the post-game press conference, noting that even the loudest championship celebration couldn't compete with the power of a one-year-old's nap schedule.

To wrap up the show, the guys kicked off Mount Rushmore season with the Mount Rushmore of things that start with the letter M. It got contentious immediately when PFT and Hank claimed "Moms" while Big Cat and Zac tried to select "MILFs," leading to a high-level semantic debate that nearly derailed the segment.

If the Wizards don't draft Caitlin Clark, they are officially not trying.

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Void
Jun 25, 2025
#24461
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

At the core of every joke, there is a serious truth

I choose to [believe he was joking], but at the core of every joke, therein lies a serious truth. Alex Caruso is now an NBA champion.

Philosophical statement, not verifiable.
Void
Jun 25, 2025
#24462
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NBA's 'Second Apron' rules were created to force teams to draft replacements for expensive players

Somebody explaining to me, it's gonna be a bit more like continuing to flip the picks forward so that you always have that flexibility and then drafting potentially like a replacement for somebody who goes north of 20 million who's your fourth or fifth option.

The impact of the second apron on team building is an ongoing trend, but his assessment of the strategy is well-regarded by cap experts.

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