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Wednesday, December 13, 201723 takes

Holiday cheer is here and we're pumped about all the NFL Playoff scenarios. Hot Seat/Cool Throne with some Rough and Rowdy talk, RGIII is a misery consultant and Star Wars hype(-). Former NFL starting Quarterback Jeff Garcia joins the show to talk about the Eagles without Carson Wentz, what TO was like as a teammate, how a backup can win over a locker room, and the debut of the Jeff Garcia should be in the Hall of Fame movement(-). Segments include PR 101 for NFL Network(-), Is Tom Brady Full Of shit?(-) Trump/NASA Update(-), and Respect The Biz Derek Jeter(-). Bachelorette winner Shawn Booth joins the show for a special Guys on Chicks and some behind the scenes talk about reality television and how to be an alpha in a house full of 25 dudes(-).

Jeff Garcia on TO and Hall of Fame, Bachelorette Winner Shawn Booth

The holiday cheer has officially arrived, which mostly means Big Cat and PFT Commenter are ready to mail it in for the rest of December. But before they can fully embrace the seasonal affective disorder, there is actual football to discuss. Between Jay Cutler looking like a god on Monday Night Football and the impending chaos of the NFL playoffs, the board is wide open.

Big Cat is already identifying the teams that are going to ruin everyone's January. While the top of the NFC is looking a little shaky with backup quarterbacks, he’s keeping a very close eye on the defending conference champs.

Push
Dec 13, 2017
#11531
Big CatBig Cat

The Falcons are a 'lurker' team that knows how to win ugly and can make a deep run

I think we haven't heard the last of Dan Quinn in the Falcons. I feel like they're the lurker. You know what I mean? The team, it's like they have all the pieces, and they've played really shitty and survived... They would know how to win ugly.

The Falcons won their Wild Card game but lost in the Divisional round to the Eagles.

PFT is going even bolder with his AFC predictions. He's looking at a certain squad in North Florida that has the perfect formula of a shut-down defense and a quarterback who just needs to stay out of the way.

Win
Dec 13, 2017
#11530
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Jaguars are going to make the 2017 AFC Championship Game

I'm going out on a limb. I think that the Jaguars are making the AFC Championship. They have that right mix where it's like they have a great defense. If they just run the ball, let Blake [Bortles] be Blake.

The Jaguars actually did make the AFC Championship Game, where they lost to the Patriots.

Jeff Garcia on the Eagles and TO

Former NFL quarterback Jeff Garcia joined the show to discuss the Philadelphia Eagles’ life after Carson Wentz. Having famously stepped in for Donovan McNabb in 2006, Garcia knows exactly what Nick Foles is walking into. He thinks the blueprint for Philly's success is simple: don't ask Foles to be Wentz.

Win
Dec 13, 2017
#11536
Jeff GarciaJeff Garcia

The Eagles should simplify the game for Nick Foles by focusing on the running game

I think with Nick, I think there are certain things that they're going to probably focus more on with him... And I think that will be more so on the running game... You create matchup opportunities where it simplifies the game for Nick Foles.

The Eagles leaned on RPOs and a strong run game with Ajayi and Blount to help Foles win the Super Bowl.

The conversation shifted to Garcia's time in San Francisco and his legendary, albeit rocky, relationship with Terrell Owens. Garcia didn't hold back on what it was like sharing a huddle with one of the most productive yet polarizing receivers in history. According to Garcia, TO’s mood in the locker room was tied directly to the box score.

Void
Dec 13, 2017
#28749
Jeff GarciaJeff Garcia

Terrell Owens' mood in the locker room depended entirely on his personal statistics rather than team wins

[Terrell Owens] was the type of guy that, like, if he didn't get a lot of opportunities to make plays and we won the game, he was kind of over there not real thrilled about it. But if he put up a 15-catch game and we lose, you see him there with a smile. So what does that tell you about kind of their mentality?

This is Garcia's subjective assessment of a teammate's character and motivation.

Despite the past drama, Garcia is leading the charge for TO to finally get into Canton. He’s also subtly (and then not so subtly) building his own case for the Hall of Fame. If you look at the total pro football numbers, Garcia’s resume stacks up against some of the greatest to ever play the position, even if he doesn't have the same hardware as Troy Aikman.

Win
Dec 13, 2017
#11539
Jeff GarciaJeff Garcia

I have a valid Hall of Fame case when combining my NFL and CFL stats

As much as I think when you combine my entire career and you really bring in the CFL statistics as well... you can look at Troy Aikman's stats and you can look at my stats. And they're very similar. But Troy has three Super Bowl titles.

Garcia (161 TDs) does have more career NFL TD passes than Aikman (165 - very close) and significantly better stats if CFL numbers (111 TDs) are included, though Aikman has the rings.

He also took a massive swing at a certain Jets legend whose stats might not actually justify his iconic status in the Hall.

Push
Dec 13, 2017
#28751
Jeff GarciaJeff Garcia

Joe Namath's statistics stink and he was a horrible quarterback

You look at Joe Namath's statistics. They stink. He was horrible. He had maybe one year where he threw more touchdowns than interceptions. But he's in the Hall of Fame. That's crazy, right?

While Namath is an icon and a Hall of Famer, his statistical profile—including 173 touchdowns to 220 interceptions—is famously poor, making Garcia's claim statistically grounded but historically controversial.

Hot Seat/Cool Throne and Rough N' Rowdy

Hank is officially on the warpath as we head into Friday's Rough N' Rowdy. He's been hitting the pre-workout hard and has some very specific, very violent plans for Dylan "Tex" Stone.

Win
HankHank

I am going to kill Dylan 'Tex' Stone at Rough N' Rowdy

My hot seat is Dylan [Tex] Stone. He's the person I'm fighting on Friday, December 15th at the Rough and Rowdy. It might be just because I'm all hyped up on pre-workout right now, but I'm going to fucking kill him.

Hank defeated Tex Stone by decision in a highly memorable Rough N' Rowdy main event.

On the Hot Seat, PFT is looking at the Washington front office and the absolute disaster that is the Scott McLoughan situation. Meanwhile, Tom Brady is under fire for his new $200-a-year app that essentially just tells you to drink water and sleep. PFT thinks there's a deeper conspiracy at play regarding Brady's late-season performances.

Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tom Brady hates your fantasy team and intentionally performs poorly during the playoffs

Tom Brady has a very suspiciously poor performance in games that are right in the smack dab middle of fantasy football playoffs... So he hates your fantasy team. Tom Brady hates your fantasy team. It actually, it would not shock me if this was a New England Patriots strategy to do nothing but just fuck with people that play fantasy football.

The claim is a comedic interpretation of statistical trends and cannot be factually proven.

Guys on Chicks with Shawn Booth

To wrap things up, Bachelorette winner Shawn Booth stopped by for a special edition of Guys on Chicks. As a long-time listener, Shawn fit right in, though he did have to defend the honor of reality TV contestants. He gave a peak behind the curtain of the show, noting that the environment isn't exactly a breeding ground for traditional masculinity.

Void
Shawn BoothShawn Booth

Most men who appear on The Bachelorette are 'betas'

And most of those dudes [on The Bachelorette] are betas... I tell everybody, if I was on that season, I would have liked Chad... The things that he was saying was pretty true.

Subjective categorization of contestants.

Big Cat and PFT made sure to alpha Shawn throughout the segment, questioning his chest-shaving habits and his choice of NFL teams. It turns out Shawn is a Cowboys fan who hates Cowboys fans, which is really the only way to be a Cowboys fan.

Hopefully, Tex has his affairs in order before Hank gets him in the ring on Friday.

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More Takes

Loss
Dec 13, 2017
#11527
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tom Brady was affected by a 'boat curse' the night before the Dolphins game

I think it's more likely that Tom Brady was on a boat down in Miami the night before the game, got the old boat curse going, than it was that he's actually getting too old to play well.

Brady did play poorly in that specific loss to Miami, but there was no evidence of a boat trip. He went on to win the MVP that season.
Win
Dec 13, 2017
#11528
Big CatBig Cat

The Dolphins game was Jay Cutler's one annual game where he looks elite

That was the Jay Cutler performance. And I know that all Bears fans know this. That was the one game he throws out a year where you're like, this guy's fucking good.

Cutler followed the MNF win with a 3-interception performance against Buffalo the following week, confirming the cycle.
Loss
Dec 13, 2017
#11529
Big CatBig Cat

The Chargers will sneak into the 2017 playoffs

I think the Chargers will probably sneak in. There's not one team I can be like, you know what? They could probably make a run, which I don't think we've had that in a really long time.

The Chargers finished 9-7 but missed the playoffs due to tiebreakers with the Titans and Bills.
Void
Dec 13, 2017
#11532
Big CatBig Cat

The Seahawks are the sorriest losers in the NFL

The Seahawks, though, can we just say that they're the sorriest losers of all time? That team, I don't know why they get a pass... That team is a fucking bunch of babies.

Subjective opinion about team character.
Loss
Dec 13, 2017
#28746
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tony Romo is the number one choice to replace Carson Wentz for the Eagles

Number one, Tony Romo. I would love to see Tony Romo beat the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs. And then go to the Super Bowl and win it for the Eagles. That would be fantastic.

Tony Romo remained in the broadcast booth and did not return to the NFL to play for the Eagles or anyone else.
Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Colt McCoy is 75% of the quarterback Kirk Cousins is

I think Colt McCoy is about 75% of what Kirk Cousins is. So that's like... 40% of a franchise quarterback.

Purely subjective comparison of two quarterbacks.
Void
Dec 13, 2017
#11535
Jeff GarciaJeff Garcia

I could still play as a backup in the NFL if I didn't have to take hits

I'm very realistic, man. You know what? I can still throw it. I can drop. I can do all those things. I don't know if I can take that hit anymore. That physical part of actually those 300-plus pounders bringing down your neck, that's a whole different story.

Garcia never returned to the NFL, so his ability to take a hit was never tested, but at 47, it's highly unlikely he could have played.
Void
Dec 13, 2017
#28748
Jeff GarciaJeff Garcia

Steve Young essentially disappeared from the team for months after getting injured in San Francisco

I've been in situations where... I was backing up Steve Young. All of a sudden Steve Young goes down in San Francisco and he kind of disappeared for a couple months. You never saw him around the locker room, never saw him in the meeting rooms... we could have utilized his knowledge and experience, but he had his own stuff that he was going through.

This is a personal observation from Garcia's time as Young's backup in 1999; while the fact of his absence is a claim, the perception of it is subjective to Garcia's experience.
Win
Dec 13, 2017
#11537
Jeff GarciaJeff Garcia

Terrell Owens is a 'no-doubt' Hall of Famer

Yeah, I mean, hey, that's the decision of the voters and the writers... But, hey, the guy has put up the statistics that leave him in the conversation with the top two, three receivers ever in the National Football League... It's just a matter of time.

TO was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2018, shortly after this episode.
Win
Dec 13, 2017
#28747
Jeff GarciaJeff Garcia

I am the best red-headed Mexican to ever play in the NFL

Carson Wentz is a little bit [of a redhead]. Well, you know what? He's a ginger. He definitely is a ginger... but you know what? For the few that have played, I'm the best red-headed Mexican that's ever played the game.

Given the extreme specificity of being a red-headed Mexican quarterback in the NFL, Garcia likely holds this title unopposed.
Win
Dec 13, 2017
#11538
Jeff GarciaJeff Garcia

Jeff Fisher failed his quarterbacks by not providing expert coaching

Definitely not a whisperer, you know. I think quarterbacks were dying when they went out and played under him, unfortunately. And I think a lot of it was because he didn't surround them with the necessary expertise from a coaching standpoint.

The massive improvement of Goff, Foles, and Keenum immediately after leaving Fisher (and the success of McVay/Pederson) heavily supports this claim.
Win
Dec 13, 2017
#28750
Jeff GarciaJeff Garcia

The 2004 Cleveland Browns were so poorly run they didn't even have an audible system for the quarterback

I just realized going from a system where in San Francisco... and then not having that freedom to do that in Cleveland. I'm like, are you serious? We're in the National Football League, and we have no audible system to get us out of a bad play. And it just was like, that's shocking.

This is a specific technical claim about the 2004 Browns offensive system under Butch Davis and Terry Robiskie.
Loss
Dec 13, 2017·PR 101
#11540
Big CatBig Cat

The NFL Network should hire Jeff Fisher to bring them back to mediocrity

Jeff Fisher, he brings the mediocrity back. So you're going from low... To right in the middle. I think Jeff Fisher's the perfect hire.

Hot TakeMediaMediumSarcastic
Satirical recommendation; Fisher was never hired as a lead analyst there.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Derek Jeter is going to look 'really fucking ugly' if he gains 15 more pounds

Derek Jeter, by the way, he's one of those guys that if he puts on another 10 or 15 pounds, he's going to be really fucking ugly. Because when you get the bald head and then you get the big cheeks, it's bad. You need hair if you're fat.

Purely subjective aesthetic prediction.

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