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Mike Florio + Big Ben's Walking Boot

Monday, December 18, 201717 takes

Fastest 2 minutes + NFL Week 15 Recap ( - ). The Patriots win in Pittsburgh, Big Ben's walking boot makes a comeback ( - ). The Jaguars are for real and the Packers are dead, we think ( - ). We recap our weekend in West Virginia and Hank's Big Fight ( - ). Who's Back of the Week ( - ). Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio joins the show to talk about Jerry Richardson, What a Catch is in the NFL, What coaches will be fired first, and what the hell is going on with Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati ( - ). Segments include Sorry Not Sorry for Mario Batali. Is Tom Brady Full of Shit. PR 101 for the Carolina Panthers and the debut of Hermatology where we talk about what the hell is going on with Herm Edwards at Arizona State.

Mike Florio on NFL Catch Rules, Jerry Richardson, and the Jags Threat

Week 15 delivered the game of the year between the Patriots and Steelers, and it ended in the most predictable way possible: a controversial rule benefiting New England and Big Ben throwing a back-breaking interception. Big Cat and PFT break down the Jesse James non-catch that had everyone losing their minds. While the world debated what a catch is, Big Cat noted that the Patriots' strategy of just spamming their best player worked perfectly.

Win
Dec 18, 2017
#28730
Big CatBig Cat

Rob Gronkowski is a cheat code and no one can guard him

Basically, you just keep throwing it to Gronk because Gronk's a cheat coach. No one can guard Gronk.

Gronkowski is widely considered one of the greatest tight ends ever and was notoriously difficult to cover throughout his career.

The fallout for Pittsburgh was massive. Not only did they lose the inside track for home-field advantage, but Antonio Brown went down, and Big Ben looked like he was already eyeing his favorite postseason accessory. PFT provided a moving tribute to the return of Roethlisberger’s walking boot, imagining it whispering sweet nothings to Ben’s toes while he blames Todd Haley for the fake spike gone wrong.

The Rise of Saxonville and the Death of Seattle

While the legacy powers struggled, the Jacksonville Jaguars spent their Sunday absolutely dismantling the Texans. It’s time to stop treating the Jags like a bit. Blake Bortles is playing actual, competent football, and the defense is terrifying.

Win
Dec 18, 2017
#17325
Big CatBig Cat

The Jaguars are a for-real team and people shouldn't sleep on them

I'm pumped because I think the Jags, like, people sleep on the Jags, and I know we laugh at them because their franchise has been pretty much a comedy of errors. But they're a for-real team.

The 2017 Jaguars finished 10-6 and reached the AFC Championship game, proving they were a legitimate contender that season.
Win
Dec 18, 2017
#17326
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Jaguars defense is the best in the NFL

That defense is probably the best defense in the NFL. Like, no joke. It's them, it's the Vikings, and then there's a pretty big drop-off after that.

The 2017 Jaguars finished 2nd in total defense and 2nd in scoring defense, while the Vikings finished 1st in both. They were widely considered the top two units.

On the flip side, the Seahawks getting stomped 42-7 at home by the Rams feels like the end of an era. The LOB is banged up, but more importantly, the fear factor of playing in Seattle seems to have evaporated. Big Cat thinks the aura is officially dead.

Win
Dec 18, 2017
#17327
Big CatBig Cat

The Seahawks' mystique and intimidation factor is officially gone

The mystique is gone from [the Seahawks]. It's just one of those things where the mystique now comes off and you don't feel as intimidated when Jared Goff goes in there and has his way and they run the ball all over him. When a team comes in and does that, it definitely feels like a little bit of the whole mystique and the aura like you can't win in Seattle is gone.

The Seahawks missed the playoffs in 2017 for the first time since 2011, and the core of the Legion of Boom began to dismantle shortly after.

Meanwhile, in Kansas City, Andy Reid is doing exactly what Andy Reid does: winning just enough to make his eventual January collapse even more painful.

Win
Dec 18, 2017
#17328
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Andy Reid is on track for his annual first-round playoff loss

We're still right on track for that first-round playoff loss from Andy Reid. Really looking forward to it.

The 2017 Chiefs lost in the Wild Card round to the Tennessee Titans after leading 21-3.

Mike Florio on the NFL’s Messiest Week

Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio joined the show to help make sense of the chaos, starting with the Jesse James play. Florio admits the catch rule is garbage but explains that the league is terrified that fixing it would only make it more confusing. The conversation shifted to the bombshell news of Jerry Richardson selling the Carolina Panthers amidst workplace misconduct allegations. Florio thinks the price tag will be the ultimate barometer for the health of the league.

Win
Dec 18, 2017
#17331
Mike FlorioMike Florio

If the Panthers sell for less than $1.4 billion, the NFL has cause for concern

I think the Bills were the last team that sold and they went for 1-4. So if you get south of 1-4, I think there's cause for concern. But if it's less than a billion, then it's like, holy shit.

The Panthers sold for $2.275 billion in 2018, well above Florio's 'concern' threshold of $1.4 billion.

The coaching carousel is also spinning out of control. Florio floated a truly cursed scenario for the state of Ohio where the Bengals keep Marvin Lewis in the building but bring in a familiar face to lead the team on the field.

Push
Dec 18, 2017
#17332
Mike FlorioMike Florio

The Bengals might move Marvin Lewis to the front office and hire Hue Jackson as head coach

Marvin stays in Cincinnati, graduates to the front office where he's essentially the GM because they don't have one as it is. And then, some way, somehow, they bring back Hue Jackson to be the coach of the team, and it's Marvin and Hue working together in Cincinnati.

Marvin Lewis stayed as HC for 2018; Hue Jackson did return to the Bengals as a 'Special Assistant' in late 2018 after being fired by Cleveland, but never replaced Marvin as HC.
Void
Dec 18, 2017
#17333
Mike FlorioMike Florio

Any head coach who goes 0-16 should be permanently disqualified from coaching again

I personally think if you go 0-16 as an NFL head coach, you should be permanently disqualified from ever being a head coach again for any team.

This is a subjective opinion on NFL rules/standards and cannot be definitively proven right or wrong.

Despite the drama in Cincinnati and Charlotte, Florio is actually high on the Jaguars. He thinks their style of play is built perfectly for a cold-weather upset in the playoffs, which should have Patriots fans checking their closets for monsters.

Push
Dec 18, 2017
#17335
Mike FlorioMike Florio

The Jaguars have the ingredients to win in New England or Pittsburgh in January

I think this is a team that could win in New England in the divisional round, it could win in Pittsburgh in the divisional round, and it could keep the AFC championship game from happening... It's a Florida team that has all the ingredients to play in the elements in January.

The Jaguars did win in Pittsburgh in the Divisional round. They led in New England in the 4th quarter of the AFC Championship but ultimately lost.

Who’s Back and Hermatology

Before letting Mike go, the guys touched on the Lack of consistency in NFL discipline. Florio predicted that Thomas Davis would escape a suspension for his hit on Davante Adams simply because the game wasn't in a primetime slot, highlighting the league's "dartboard" approach to player safety.

Loss
Dec 18, 2017
#17334
Mike FlorioMike Florio

Thomas Davis will not be suspended for his hit on Davante Adams because it wasn't in primetime

Same hit that Juju Smith-Schuster put on Vontaze Burfict. But because that game today didn't happen in primetime, they're not going to suspend Thomas Davis. That's my prediction.

Florio was wrong; the NFL suspended Thomas Davis for two games (later reduced to one on appeal) the very next day.

Hank returned from West Virginia as a champion after his win at Rough N' Rowdy, which Big Cat claims solidified the podcast's alpha status. In Who's Back, Hank is already looking ahead to a post-LeBron world in the East.

Push
Dec 18, 2017·Who's Back
#17329
HankHank

The Celtics will win five championships after LeBron James leaves for the Lakers

[Gordon Hayward] is going to beat LeBron, then LeBron's going to leave, go to L.A., and Celtics are going to win, like, five championships.

LeBron did leave for LA in 2018, but the Celtics did not win five championships (they have won one since this take).

PFT followed that up with a bold prediction for the NBA Finals, assuming the Rockets can actually slay the Golden State dragon.

Loss
Dec 18, 2017·Who's Back
#17330
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The Rockets and Celtics will meet in the NBA Finals

Rocket Celtics calling it right now. [Warriors?] No. [The Rockets beat them] in seven.

The Warriors beat the Rockets in the WCF (in seven games, as PFT nearly predicted but with the wrong winner) and the Celtics lost to the Cavs in the ECF.

The show wrapped up with the debut of "Hermatology," a segment dedicated to the absurdity of Herm Edwards taking over at Arizona State. Herm has been on the job for two weeks and has already lost both his coordinators, proving that his "leadership" might just be a collection of motivational posters and First Take clips. PFT isn't expecting a miracle season in Tempe.

Loss
Dec 18, 2017·Hermatology
#17339
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Herm Edwards could go 4-7 at Arizona State just like every other coach

I bet you $1 that Herm Edwards could get the exact same record as all of our other coaches and go 4-7.

In his first season (2018), Herm Edwards went 7-6. He never actually finished a season with exactly 4 wins at ASU (closest was 5-6 in the shortened 2020).

If the Jaguars actually win a playoff game in Foxborough, we are all legally required to buy a Blake Bortles Wikipedia Club shirt.

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#17338
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Jerry Richardson's heart transplant turned him evil

He actually has a built-in spin zone for himself because he got a heart transplant like five years ago. So it's the other guy's heart. It's not him. It turned him evil.

This is a satirical joke based on a medical impossibility and cannot be true.

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