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2X NBA Champion Matt Bonner

Monday, June 12, 201720 takes

The Cup is staying in Pittsburgh as the Penguins win back to back Stanley Cups ( - ). Power Ranking sports trophies ( - ). NBA Finals update and Draymond embracing full heel ( - ). Who's back of the week ( - ). Former San Antonio Spur and 2X NBA Champion Matt Bonner joins the show to talk about the NBA Finals, playing for Pop, and chasing a Stone Cold Steve Austin belt in the late 90's ( - ). Segments include Talking Soccer and Pulisic mania, Trouble in Paradise, Torch Update for Tennis, PR 101 for Sebastian Telfair, and Sorry not Sorry for Jeff Van Gundy telling us to say sorry to Khloe Kardashian.

Matt Bonner on Popovich, Retro Gaming, and the 2013 Finals Heartbreak

The Pittsburgh Penguins are officially a dynasty, even if Big Cat isn't entirely sold on the legality of their back-to-back run. With the Cup staying in Pittsburgh, the guys spent some time reflecting on the sheer brutality of being a hockey fan.

Void
Jun 12, 2017
#13524
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The U.S. government should use being a hockey fan as an interrogation technique for terrorists

The United States government should make one of their new enhanced interrogation techniques for terrorists. Just make the terrorists become a hockey fan. Watch three overtimes. And then have to watch playoff games until their team loses in the Stanley Cup Finals.

This is a subjective, satirical comparison that cannot be factually proven.

Big Cat was particularly annoyed because, as a Blackhawks fan, he never realized winning two in a row was actually an option.

Win
Jun 12, 2017
#13522
Big CatBig Cat

Winning back-to-back Stanley Cups is basically cheating

I didn't know you could win back-to-back Stanley Cups, so that's kind of cheating in my mind. I hate the Blackhawks. We never knew that those rules existed.

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The Blackhawks did not win back-to-back titles during their modern dynasty; the Penguins became the first to do so in the salary cap era in 2017.

With the Stanley Cup in the building, it naturally led to a power ranking of sports trophies. While everyone agreed the Cup is the gold standard, the rest of the list got a bit more contentious. Hank went with the Lombardi, despite Big Cat and PFT questioning the actual difficulty of winning it compared to a grueling NHL playoff run.

Void
HankHank

The Lombardi Trophy is the toughest trophy in sports to win

My number one is the Lombardi, actually. Toughest trophy in all sports to get.

Whether it's the 'toughest' is purely subjective and debated against the Stanley Cup (length of playoffs) and World Cup (frequency).

Big Cat took some shots at the college hardware, specifically the participation-style plaque given to the winners of the Final Four.

Win
Big CatBig Cat

The NCAA basketball championship plaque looks like an employee of the month award

I had three that plaque they give the NCAA basketball champion, which just looks like employee of the month plaque. Like J.D. Power Associates giving Audi their award for best foreign car.

The NCAA championship trophy is indeed a rectangular wood plaque with a gold-colored insert, often criticized for its modest appearance.

The Red Mamba

Two-time NBA Champion Matt Bonner joined the show to give us a peek behind the curtain of the San Antonio Spurs. From his legendary flannel collection to playing for the "wicked smart" Greg Popovich, Bonner is the ultimate Spurs guy. He broke down the psychological toll of the 2013 Finals, specifically the Ray Allen shot that shattered San Antonio's hearts just as the trophy was being wheeled onto the court.

Void
Jun 12, 2017
#13540
Matt BonnerMatt Bonner

The Ray Allen Game 6 shot in 2013 was the worst loss of my entire life

That Ray Allen shot and that loss was the worst loss in my entire life, easily... It was over. We won the championship. And then, bam, we missed free throws. They get offensive rebounds. They hit a couple threes, ending with that Ray Allen one. And we lost the game, and it was, like, just so crushing.

This is a personal feeling from the speaker about his own life and career.

That loss fueled one of the most efficient revenge tours in sports history, with the Spurs returning the next year to dismantle the Heat.

Win
Jun 12, 2017
#13550
Matt BonnerMatt Bonner

The Spurs were like the Blues Brothers on a mission from God in 2014

We were like the Blues Brothers on a mission from God that next season to get back to the finals and make right by that loss. And so once we got to the finals and matched up with Miami again, the rest was history.

The Spurs famously defeated the Heat 4-1 in 2014 with one of the greatest team performances in Finals history.

Outside of basketball, Bonner revealed he is a hardcore retro gamer and a wrestling superfan. He shared an incredible story about his childhood in New Hampshire, where he and his friends spent a freezing night chasing a championship belt that Stone Cold Steve Austin had tossed into a river during a Monday Night Raw segment.

NBA Finals and Tennis Torches

Transitioning to the current NBA Finals, the guys looked at LeBron's legacy as the Cavs try to claw back against the Warriors. Big Cat pointed out that avoiding the sweep was the only thing keeping the "Legacy" talk alive for Bron fans.

Void
Jun 12, 2017
#13532
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James's legacy is intact only because the Cavaliers avoided a sweep

The two other stories we had, one is because the Cavs didn't get swept, LeBron's legacy is intact. It's a lot of legacy talk. If you get swept, the legacy is out.

LeBron's legacy remains a top debate regardless of the 2017 Finals outcome, though he did avoid the sweep.

In other news, Rafael Nadal continues to dominate on clay, but PFT and Big Cat aren't ready to crown him the GOAT just because he’s good at playing on dirt. They argued that true greatness should be measured on the surface that actual goats prefer.

Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The GOAT of tennis should be the best player on grass because real goats live on grass

Really the goat should just be the best player on grass. [PFT]: Yeah, Wimbledon. Because goats live on grass. So Rafa [Nadal], I guess, sure. I don't know.

This is a joke based on wordplay, not a serious claim.

Sorry Not Sorry

Finally, the guys had to address Jeff Van Gundy’s bizarre mid-game defense of Khloe Kardashian. JVG went on a tangent about the "Kardashian Curse" being low-rent, which PFT interpreted as a clear case of white-knighting for a potential date.

Loss
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Jeff Van Gundy is white-knighting for Khloe Kardashian because he has a thing for her

But what it sounded like, it sounded like Jeff has a little thing for Khloe... So he's white knighting, really. He's trying to fuck Khloe.

There is no evidence that Jeff Van Gundy has a romantic interest in Khloe Kardashian.

Big Cat was less concerned with JVG's motives and more concerned with the violation of a long-standing internet law regarding the reality TV family.

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Big CatBig Cat

It is a social law that you are allowed to say mean things about the Kardashians

Jeff Van Gundy needs to realize that like we've a long time ago made it kind of like a social norm that you can say anything mean about the Kardashians. It's okay. That's just become an internet law... That's the social contract we have all signed a long time ago.

The existence of an informal 'social contract' or 'internet law' is a matter of cultural opinion.

If the Warriors close it out tonight, get ready for Mount Rushmore season to officially begin on Friday.

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Void
Jun 12, 2017
#22285
Big CatBig Cat

The Stanley Cup is the best trophy in all of sports

The Stanley Cup itself is the best trophy in all of sports. I think we can all agree on that.

This is a subjective opinion about the aesthetic and prestige of sports trophies.
Void
Jun 12, 2017
#22286
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The World Cup trophy is great because it uses actual gold instead of fake materials

I actually like the World Cup ball. Anytime you can incorporate just actual gold into a trophy instead of this fake stuff that we see. I'm a gold standard guy.

The World Cup trophy is indeed made of 18 karat gold, though the preference for it is subjective.
Win
Jun 12, 2017
#22287
HankHank

The Cavaliers have no chance of winning Game 5 against the Warriors

Do you think the Cavs have any chance? [Hank]: Nope. [Big Cat]: Are you ready to dance on Cleveland's grave? [Hank]: Yes.

The Warriors won Game 5 later that night (June 12, 2017) to win the NBA Championship.
Void
Jun 12, 2017·Who's Back
#22288
Big CatBig Cat

Michael Vick revolutionized video games by making custom quarterbacks unnecessary

Michael Vick was... basically whenever you would play Madden and you'd create your own video game player for quarterback, then Michael Vick came along and you just didn't have to do that anymore. You just play with Michael Vick.

This is a widely shared sentiment among sports gamers from that era.
Win
Jun 12, 2017·Who's Back
#13535
Big CatBig Cat

The 2017 Yankees are fully back

The Yankees are fully back. Pinstripes for everyone. Aaron Judge hit three home runs on Sunday. His 21st of the year. Also the longest home run of the year... They have the best run differential in the league.

The 2017 Yankees did reach the ALCS, losing in 7 games to the Astros, which was considered a 'back' year for a rebuilding team.
Void
Jun 12, 2017
#22289
Matt BonnerMatt Bonner

The NBA Finals are a sideshow circus off the court

Once you get to the finals, it becomes... a sideshow circus off the court. It's like everyone you've ever known all of a sudden is your best friend and wants tickets. Every basketball media outlet in the entire world is focused on this one game, this one series, and then it crosses over into pop culture.

This is an internal perspective from a player who played in multiple Finals.
Void
Jun 12, 2017
#13537
Matt BonnerMatt Bonner

LeBron James is a murderer and a scary dude on the basketball court

His intensity was night and day. Not just his intensity and his competitiveness. I mean, he has a killer instinct. He's a killer out there. He'll tear your head off and dunk it... He's an intense, scary dude. You don't want to get in his way.

LeBron is widely regarded as one of the most physically imposing and competitive players in history.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

Celebrating a tie in soccer is un-American and makes me want to puke

The amount of celebration over a tie makes me want to puke... Very un-American. We play to win the game. That's why we've won every war we've ever been in. That's America.

In sports culture, celebrating ties is often seen as negative, though strategically in soccer it is often necessary. The claim about winning every war is factually debated but fits the character.
Void
Big CatBig Cat

You cannot be the GOAT of tennis if your specialty is clay

I don't think that you can be GOAT if your specialty is the clay. It's like basically Steph Curry using the three-point shot as his crutch. If we want to get into it, really the goat should just be the best player on grass.

Nadal has won all four Grand Slams, but Big Cat's point about clay dominance is a common, if flawed, point of debate among fans.
Void
Jun 12, 2017·PR 101
#22291
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Sebastian Telfair should become a Second Amendment advocate to crowdsource his legal fees

Just become a big Second Amendment guy... If I know one thing about the Make America Great Again crowd, they will throw money behind people that they support. If Sebastian Telfair starts a Kickstarter online being like, my Second Amendment rights were infringed, he'll earn like $500,000 in legal fees overnight.

This is a hypothetical PR strategy and cannot be proven correct or incorrect.

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