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Peter King 10/05/16

Wednesday, October 5, 201628 takes

The guys talk about Buck Showalter's brain fart and the classy fans in Toronto as the MLB playoffs are off and running ( - ). Power Rankings of lunch orders( - ). Hot Seat Cool Throne for coaches facing the firing ram ( - ). Peter King joins the show to talk about podcasting, the NFL, Roger Goodell, and what happens when he eats the trash on Twitter ( - ). Segments include "PR 101" for First Take, "Thoughts and Prayers" for ODB's happiness, "Sabermetrics" for Harbaugh vs Urban Meyer's fake Twitter war and "Respect The Biz" for the clown profession

Peter King on Roger Goodell, Twitter Mistakes, and the NFL CBA

The MLB playoffs are officially in full swing, which means Buck Showalter is already finding new and innovative ways to confuse everyone watching. Big Cat and PFT opened the show by trying to wrap their heads around the Orioles' decision-making process in the AL Wild Card game. Letting your best arm sit on the bench while the season ends is a choice, to say the least.

Win
Oct 5, 2016
#4855
Big CatBig Cat

Buck Showalter is a moron for not using Zach Britton in the Wild Card game

Buck Showalter is a moron. Or Zach Britton's hurt. We're all sitting here wondering why Ubaldo Jimenez with his 5.44 ERA was pitching. Zach Britton, his ERA, .54. Best in the big leagues. And he was being saved for game two. Either Zach Britton is hurt or he's just saving him for some random game that doesn't exist.

The decision to leave Britton in the bullpen is widely considered one of the worst managerial blunders in playoff history.

Speaking of the atmosphere in Toronto, it was electric, mostly because Blue Jays fans seem to forget they aren't at a hockey game. Between the beer cans flying and the general chaos, it felt more like an Arena League game in a phone booth than a standard baseball matchup.

Void
Oct 5, 2016
#4857
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Sports teams should stop using bird-related nicknames

Can we just call it a day with all the fucking bird team nicknames? I think we've hit our limit. They're not intimidating. It's like somebody asked them for a name and they look up and see the Blue Jays, the Orioles. Just knock it off with the bird team names.

Subjective aesthetic preference regarding team branding.

PFT also floated a proposal that should probably be on the ballot in the next election: retiring the concept of bird-related team names. There are simply too many, and quite frankly, they aren't doing the job of intimidating the opposition.

Loss
Oct 5, 2016
#4858
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

There was a second ball in the pile during the Browns-Redskins Duke Johnson fumble play

I would also like to say that I'm a truther. I think that there were two balls on the play. I think that there was a second ball that was in the pile that we don't see, and then Duke Johnson had the other one.

There was only one ball; the officials simply made a notorious mistake.

Lunch Power Rankings and Hot Seats

Before getting into the meat of the NFL week, the guys tackled the most important debate of our time: what constitutes a sandwich? Big Cat laid out a controversial unified theory of lunch that basically encompasses every food item known to man under the "sandwich" umbrella.

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Big CatBig Cat

Pizza is not a good lunch food because it makes you fall asleep

See, pizza's not good for lunch. I'm just going to throw that out there. When you're eating lunch, my main goal is to just not eat so much that I want to fall asleep. And pizza will always do that to me.

Subjective physiological response to heavy carbs.

PFT tried to bring some class to the proceedings by highlighting the utility of a soup and half-sandwich combo, while Big Cat took a stand against the midday pizza slice for purely productivity-based reasons.

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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The 2016 creepy clown sightings are a viral marketing stunt for the movie 'It'

What's behind all of this is that Stephen King's movie It is coming out in a couple months. They're doing a remake of it. That's it then.

While it was a popular theory, New Line Cinema and the producers of 'It' denied any involvement in the sightings.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

A soup and half-sandwich combo is a 'power move' lunch order

My first one is soup and a half sandwich combo. That's actually a power move. It's a really good lunch. Not enough people order it.

Subjective opinion on lunch etiquette.

On the Hot Seat/Cool Throne front, things are looking grim for Mike McCoy in San Diego. The Chargers keep finding leads they can't wait to give away, and Big Cat is ready to call it. Meanwhile, PFT put the entire continent of Europe on notice for their recent lack of sporting dominance.

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Big CatBig Cat

Mike McCoy needs to be fired by the Chargers

Hot seat, Mike McCoy. Someone needs to fire Mike McCoy. It's incredible. He's 23-29. He's on his fourth year. They were up 34-21 with six minutes left against the Saints. Week one they were up 27-10 with 11 minutes left. Someone put Mike McCoy out of his misery.

McCoy was indeed fired at the end of the 2016 season on January 1, 2017.
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PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Europe is on the hot seat for being off its game across all sports

My hot seat, I've got the entire country of Europe. Europe has been off its game. They can't win at the Olympics. They can't win at the Ryder Cup. They lost England.

Hot TakeOlympicsHotSarcastic
Factually, Europe is not a country, making this 'incorrect' by design.

Peter King in Studio

NFL legend Peter King joined the show in studio to talk about his transition into the podcasting world and the inner workings of the MMQB. The conversation moved quickly from coffee orders to the serious labor issues facing the NFL. Peter gave a sobering outlook on the next Collective Bargaining Agreement, suggesting that a work stoppage might be the only way players get the guarantees they want.

Loss
Oct 5, 2016
#4867
Peter KingPeter King

The NFL will likely face a strike or lockout during the next CBA negotiations

I think there's a good chance, because I think the players don't want to give anything to the league. They don't want to give something big to the NFL in exchange for stripping Goodell of the judge, jury, executioner powers. And the other thing is going to be guaranteed contracts. Aaron Rodgers said it adamantly to me, absolutely guaranteed contracts.

A new CBA was reached in March 2020 without a strike, though labor tension was high.
Void
Oct 5, 2016
#4868
Peter KingPeter King

The NFL should move to shorter, fully guaranteed contracts for players

In my opinion, I think the NFL should sign players to shorter contracts and guaranteed contracts. You're a battering ram. These guys basicially have two years left on a contract, but it's not guaranteed, so they just walk away.

Subjective opinion on labor policy.

They also delved into Peter's infamous "eating the trash" moments on Twitter. He walked the guys through the logistics of his San Diego bike lane tweet and the legendary moment in Milwaukee when he informed a waiter about the passing of Robin Williams. Peter also gave his thoughts on the current landscape of the league, arguing that despite the parity, there are several teams with a real shot at the Lombardi Trophy.

Loss
Oct 5, 2016
#29668
Peter KingPeter King

Roger Goodell should hold weekly open press conferences with his biggest critics

I think every Thursday or Friday at 11 o'clock, [Goodell] ought to have a standing appointment with one of his tormentors... Bill Simmons ought to come in... Rachel Nichols and all the other people who have been critical of him... have it be all comers. You can ask whatever you want.

Goodell never implemented this specific format of a weekly 'critic' press conference.

As a Bears fan, Big Cat had to ask about the future of Jay Cutler, and Peter didn't exactly give the glowing endorsement Chicago fans were probably dreading.

Push
Oct 5, 2016
#4869
Peter KingPeter King

At least five teams in the league right now could easily win the Super Bowl

I'll name them right now. These are the teams that I think easily could win the Super Bowl this year: New England, Pittsburgh, Denver. Now, Minnesota could win the Super Bowl. Green Bay could win the Super Bowl. Philadelphia could win the Super Bowl. Have you seen their defense play? They've allowed 27 points in three games.

New England (one of his listed teams) did win the Super Bowl. However, Minnesota and Philadelphia missed the playoffs entirely.

Segments

In PR 101, the guys looked at the declining ratings for First Take. PFT believes the show's downfall can be traced back to one specific failure of ambition by Stephen A. Smith regarding Kevin Durant.

Void
Oct 5, 2016
#4871
Peter KingPeter King

Michael Vick should be in the Hall of Fame based on his on-field performance

I would vote Michael Vick for the Hall of Fame based only on what he did on the field. But I don't think he did enough as an NFL player to be on the field. But whatever happened to him off the field, even though it did cost him two years, would not prevent me from voting for him for the Hall of Fame.

Vick has not been inducted into the Hall of Fame and is generally not considered a likely candidate by most voters.

Finally, the show closed out by addressing the creepy clown sightings sweeping the nation. Hank is fully woke on the situation, suspecting that we are all being played by a viral marketing campaign for the silver screen.

Void
Big CatBig Cat

A wet Andy Reid is a sad Andy Reid

A wet Andy Reid is a sad Andy Reid. Andy Reid, I bet, is like when your dog gets wet and smells awful. You don't want a wet Andy Reid.

Subjective comparison of a human being to a wet dog.

If the Cubs actually win the World Series, Big Cat might never come back to the studio.

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Void
Oct 5, 2016
#4856
Big CatBig Cat

Toronto has the best atmosphere for baseball playoff games because they act like hockey fans

I love Toronto's atmosphere for these games. It feels like the Thunderdome, Terrordome, the Coliseum, if you will, best of the best. They are a bunch of hockey fans watching a baseball game.

This is a subjective opinion on atmosphere.
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Big CatBig Cat

Every lunch order is just a different variation of a sandwich

Panini, sandwich, wrap, sub. Those are my power rankings for lunch. Because if you haven't realized by now that you just eat any kind of form of sandwich for lunch every day, you're an idiot.

Highly subjective classification of food items.
Push
HankHank

Jeff Fisher has at least two games of security before returning to the hot seat

Cool throne, Jeff Fisher. He's got at least two games before he's back on the hot seat.

Fisher was actually fired on December 12, 2016, following several more losses.
Void
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Germany is the Russell Westbrook of countries: talented, scary, and prone to freak-outs

Russell Westbrook is the Germany. Germany is the Russell Westbrook of players. Cyborg, super talented, kind of scary. Yeah, they just freak out every now and again. Then you have to do a rebuilding process. Dress weirdly.

Subjective comparison between a nation state and an NBA point guard.
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Big CatBig Cat

Bill Belichick is on the cool throne because the Patriots losing shows they actually need him to coach

Bill Belichick is now cool throne because they lost the game with Brisket [Jacoby Brissett], so they actually do need a coach. So it's not just the machine that can go on autopilot.

A subjective interpretation of coach value, though Belichick's job security was never actually in question in 2016.
Win
Oct 5, 2016
#4870
Peter KingPeter King

The Bears will move on from Jay Cutler in the offseason

I think they ought to give Jay Cutler a gold watch, say thanks for everything. We've got to move on. He'll start somewhere next year. I believe that they tried very hard to get Marcus Mariota.

The Bears released Cutler in March 2017. He briefly retired before joining the Dolphins.
Void
Oct 5, 2016
#29669
Peter KingPeter King

Twitter is essentially the new Associated Press wire service

Twitter is a great tool... I had somebody a few years ago tell me, you know what Twitter is? It's like two generations ago what the Associated Press was. It's like a wire service... On an average Thursday afternoon, if I spend 45 minutes on Twitter, I know what the coach of every team said that day.

This is a subjective assessment of media utility, though widely accepted in the journalism world at the time.
Loss
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Odell Beckham Jr. should quit football and play soccer because he's basically European

Thoughts and prayers to [Odell Beckham's] happiness... Maybe cheat, go cheat on football with soccer... You're basically European, dude. Hey, I know you like to not use one of your hands. I'll do you one better. Use none of them and go play soccer.

Hot TakeFootballFireSarcastic
Odell Beckham Jr. stayed in the NFL and did not pursue a professional soccer career in Europe.
Open
Oct 5, 2016·Sabermetrics
#4873
Big CatBig Cat

Urban Meyer buys fake Twitter followers

Jim Harbaugh and Urban Meyer, I guess, are buying fake followers. I would definitely think Urban Meyer is buying fake followers. Jim Harbaugh, someone in the Michigan office is doing that. Urban Meyer definitely – I mean like I said, he fakes other things.

The Reddit report did exist, but whether Meyer personally 'bought' them or they were just bot follows is unverified.
Void
Oct 5, 2016·PR 101
#4874
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

ESPN First Take's ratings are down because Stephen A. Smith failed to kidnap Kevin Durant

So they need some help because First Take, when they lost Skip Bayless, both sides lost. Ratings are down because people realize that Stephen A. Smith wasn't going to back up that talk. They're like, oh, this guy's not going to kidnap anyone.

Satirical explanation for media ratings.
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Oct 5, 2016·PR 101
#29671
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

ESPN First Take's ratings would improve if they made it an R-rated adult program

How can we solve First Take?... Or make it porn. People love porn. Just make it porn. Everybody's naked. First Take, porn... Replace them with Ron Jeremy, Peter North, and Madison Ivy.

Hot TakeMediaScorchingSarcastic
ESPN did not, in fact, turn First Take into a pornographic program.
Win
HankHank

The creepy clown sightings across the US are fake videos staged for views

I really dove into the clowns. They're all fake. It's all videos of people recording themselves driving. When in your life have you recorded yourself driving? It's them trying to turn around, freaking out like a bear is coming at them, and then the video stops right before the clown comes at the door. Until the clowns take action, I'm woke.

Most 'creepy clown' videos during this period were indeed staged or viral marketing attempts.
Win
Oct 5, 2016
#4877
Big CatBig Cat

The Chicago Cubs will win the World Series

I love him to death [Addison Russell], and he's going to win a World Series.

The Cubs famously won the 2016 World Series, breaking a 108-year drought.
Win
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Jesus only had twelve real followers and none of them were fake

Just want a PSA out there for everybody. Jesus only had 12 followers. None of them fake. No, they were all real.

Fact ClaimLifeHotSarcastic
Historically and biblically, Jesus had 12 apostles/disciples, but the 'fake follower' metrics of the 1st century are hard to verify.

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