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#PMT-2018-0601-1936
Big CatBig Cat

Hue Jackson jumping in Lake Erie on June 1st is a total cop-out

He waited until June 1st? Kind of a cop-out. That's the biggest cop-out I've ever fucking heard. ... You can't wait until June 1st to jump in a lake.

Hue Jackson did jump in on June 1st, 2018, when the water was significantly warmer than during the season.
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#PMT-2018-0525-18722
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Baker Mayfield already 'Gets It' because he won't draw a stripe on his helmet

Baker draws the Browns helmet... why don't you have the stripe on there? And he goes, well, it's because I haven't earned my stripe yet. Because that's what the browns are doing with their helmets this year... Baker gets it. Baker gets it.

Subjective label of a player's attitude.
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#PMT-2018-0525-18721
Big CatBig Cat

The NFL's new anthem rule is a trial balloon and a needles complication

It was ridiculous that they did this in the first place. Essentially bringing up a story that they wanted to have die in the middle of the summer for no reason... They not only did that, but they didn't even do it officially. It's such a perfect NFL story because they made it needlessly complicated.

The policy was indeed criticized for its complexity and was eventually shelved following a grievance by the NFLPA.
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Take Slip·May 25, 2018
#PMT-2018-0525-18714
Doug MarroneDoug Marrone

You can hear grit on a football field without seeing it

I think a lot of it for me is really what I hear, meaning when the practice starts and the pads are on, I can hear grit without actually having to see it. And sometimes during the nine-on-seven drills... I'll just kind of close my eyes and listen, you know and say okay was that a good play for grit? Was that a good toughness play?

Subjective coaching philosophy.
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Take Slip·May 25, 2018
#PMT-2018-0525-18717
Doug MarroneDoug Marrone

A football team can never lose if they run the ball every single time

I've never seen a team lose a game of football if they ran the ball every single time. I haven't seen that either... If we can be successful running the football... the fans know we're running it, the opposing team knows we're running it, we're running this ball and we're going to get positive yards.

Teams that run 100% of the time (like certain triple-option college teams) frequently lose; in the NFL, it would be impossible to win without some passing threat. However, in the context of 'unbeatable physical dominance,' it's a rhetorical point.
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Take Slip·May 25, 2018
#PMT-2018-0525-18718
Doug MarroneDoug Marrone

Ron Rivera and Mike Vrabel are the toughest coaches in the NFL

Mike Vrabel is probably the toughest. Ron Rivera is a tough son. Ron Rivera is a good one. To be a coach in this profession, you have to have a toughness about you in some way or another.

Rivera and Vrabel are widely regarded as being among the 'toughest' former players turned coaches.
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Take Slip·May 23, 2018
#PMT-2018-0523-1996
Bruce AriansBruce Arians

Lamar Jackson is the most intriguing quarterback of the 2018 draft class

But the guy that really intrigued me was Lamar Jackson. I mean, I saw you where the league's heading... him and David Johnson in the same backfield and put some speed outside. How much fun would that be coaching?

Lamar Jackson became a 2-time NFL MVP, proving Arians' intrigue well-founded.
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Take Slip·May 23, 2018
#PMT-2018-0523-1997
Bruce AriansBruce Arians

Ben Roethlisberger will play another five years

And I think with Randy Fichtner as the quarterback coach now and coordinator, [Ben Roethlisberger] will play five years.

Roethlisberger played four more seasons, retiring after the 2021 season (January 2022). Close but not quite five full years.
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#PMT-2018-0523-1998
Big CatBig Cat

I will get a tattoo of Blake Bortles' face if the Jaguars win the Super Bowl

I proclaimed tonight that if you win the Super Bowl, I will get a tattoo of your face somewhere on my body. Wrist, preferably.

The Jaguars did not win the Super Bowl during Bortles' tenure.
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#PMT-2018-0521-16444
HankHank

Johnny Manziel is in it for the long haul in the CFL

[Johnny Manziel] signed with the CFL. He's going to the Canadian Hamilton Tiger-Cats... I think he's in it for the long haul.

Manziel was traded by Hamilton, played 8 games for Montreal, and was barred from the CFL in early 2019 for violating his contract.
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Take Slip·May 21, 2018
#PMT-2018-0521-16452
Ed OrgeronEd Orgeron

Sack fumble is the best play in football

You know sack fumble is the best playing football, right?

Subjective opinion on the aesthetic or strategic value of a play.
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Take Slip·May 21, 2018
#PMT-2018-0521-16454
Ed OrgeronEd Orgeron

There is nothing better than the deep touchdown bomb

I want to be physical, but there ain't nothing like the deep pass, man... I like the touchdown pass. I like the bomb. I like it, you know, like the Oakland Raiders go deep.

Subjective preference for football play styles.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2018
#PMT-2018-0518-8835
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Todd Haley and Baker Mayfield on Hard Knocks will be incredible television

Todd Haley dealing with Baker Mayfield, that's going to be incredible. There's definitely going to be a scene where Todd Haley's walking Baker through the playbook, and he's like, okay, so here's our basic formation. He clicks the slide. Oh, that's a picture of my wife's tits. Sorry, I don't know how that got in there.

The 2018 Browns Hard Knocks is widely considered one of the best seasons of the show, featuring the dysfunctional Haley/Jackson dynamic and Mayfield's rookie camp.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2018
#PMT-2018-0518-8840
Marshall NewhouseMarshall Newhouse

Josh Allen can throw a football 92 yards

He can throw the ball 92 yards. 92s, exactly.

While Josh Allen has one of the strongest arms in NFL history, 92 yards in a game-like or practice setting is a slight hyperbole. He has been recorded throwing 80+ in training camp.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2018
#PMT-2018-0518-8841
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

LeSean McCoy is the best cold-weather running back in the world

You do have the best cold-weather running back in the world on your team. LeSean McCoy, for some reason, when you put him in the snow, he gets better traction.

McCoy is statistically and visually one of the most successful snow-game players ever, though 'best in the world' is subjective.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2018
#PMT-2018-0518-8842
Marshall NewhouseMarshall Newhouse

I plan to play three more seasons in the NFL

I'm aiming for like three [more years]. That'll put me at 12 and i think that's you know that's a good [career].

Newhouse played 2018 (Bills), 2019 (Patriots/Saints), and was on rosters in 2020 (Titans), reaching the 3-year mark he predicted.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2018
#PMT-2018-0518-8844
Big CatBig Cat

A person can be judged by how they get ketchup out of a Heinz bottle

Basically, [Paul Alexander] decides that a player can be judged by how they get the ketchup out of their Heinz 57 ketchup bottle... 'When I see a large football player turn a bottle of ketchup upside down and pound at its heel with tremendous force yet with limited success, I immediately make the mental note he must either play defensive line or if he plays offensive line, he can't play for me.'

This is a subjective personality/intellect test used by a coach; its validity as a performance predictor is unprovable.
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Take Slip·May 16, 2018
#PMT-2018-0516-8182
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Roger Goodell will eventually implement an NFL Draft Lottery

You know that Roger Goodell is sitting at home and he's trying to figure out a way to get a lottery involved in the NFL so that he can sell a two-night pay-per-view of the NFL draft lottery.

As of 2024, the NFL has not implemented a draft lottery, maintaining its record-based order.
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Take Slip·May 11, 2018
#PMT-2018-0511-11649
Big CatBig Cat

Steve Rosenblum's column blaming Roquan Smith for getting his car robbed is a nonsensical 'Take Quake'.

Steve Rosenblum, who is provocateur, the Chicago Tribune... likes to just figure out the most nonsensical take out there... the premise of his article was Roquan Smith, who had his iPad stolen... it was his fault that he got robbed... at this point you could ask how a student athlete... is able to afford a 2018 Beamer... Steve Rosenblum... did no fact checking whatsoever and wrote this hot topic.

Roquan Smith did have a legitimate endorsement deal for the car, and Rosenblum later issued an apology, acknowledging the take was flawed.
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Take Slip·May 9, 2018
#PMT-2018-0509-4062
Sean PaytonSean Payton

Zach Miller's gruesome non-catch against the Saints was definitely a touchdown

It was a touchdown. Yes, it was a touchdown... and almost lost his leg for a non-touchdown. It was crazy.

The NFL later changed the catch rule in 2018 partly due to plays like this, suggesting Payton's view aligns with the league's eventual correction.
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Take Slip·May 9, 2018
#PMT-2018-0509-4060
Sean PaytonSean Payton

The best drafts in NFL history are built in the 2nd through 4th rounds

I think the key for us are we try to look closely at what are the things that these players that we've hit on have in common... the great drafts in our league history consist of second rounders, third rounders, fourth rounders.

This is a scouting philosophy that is generally accepted by successful NFL front offices.
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Take Slip·May 9, 2018
#PMT-2018-0509-4059
Sean PaytonSean Payton

Patrick Mahomes would have been the target for the Saints at pick 11 in 2017

Mahomes certainly would have been a target at 11 [in the 2017 NFL Draft]... Mahomes certainly would have been a target at 11.

This has been corroborated by multiple sources in the years since, establishing it as a historical fact of the Saints' 2017 draft board.
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Take Slip·May 9, 2018
#PMT-2018-0509-4061
Sean PaytonSean Payton

Joe Flacco is an 'elite' quarterback because he won a Super Bowl

I think when you win a Super Bowl at that position, the way he played, you're elite.

The definition of 'elite' is subjective and a perpetual debate in sports media.
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Take Slip·May 6, 2018
#PMT-2018-0506-19752
Blake GriffinBlake Griffin

Baker Mayfield is a great competitor and will be successful with the Browns

No, [Baker Mayfield] is going to be great. He's, you know what, he's just got this thing about him that... Baker, he's just like a competitor, man. Like, I was happy to see him go number one. If anybody can, like, move forward with the Browns [it's him].

Mayfield had some success with the Browns, including a playoff win, but was eventually traded. His career has been a rollercoaster, making 'great' a stretch, though he found a second wind in Tampa.
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Take Slip·May 4, 2018
#PMT-2018-0504-6549
Big CatBig Cat

I think all the quarterbacks drafted in the first round have very high bust potential

Darnold, Rosen, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Baker, you could tell me in three years all out of the league, and I would be like, yeah, okay. Because it's one of those things in the NFL, you just talk yourself into these guys.

While Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold were largely busts, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson became superstars, and Baker Mayfield has had a productive career, making the 'all out of the league' claim very wrong.
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Take Slip·May 4, 2018
#PMT-2018-0504-6550
Hank AzariaHank Azaria

Sam Darnold has the highest floor of any quarterback in the 2018 draft class

He seems like he has the highest bottom to me. If he all these guys don't work out, I think Darnold's bottom is the highest.

Darnold struggled significantly with turnovers and consistency throughout his Jets tenure, and Rosen was the only one who flamed out faster among the top picks.
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#PMT-2018-0502-15814
Big CatBig Cat

Big Ben will play for 3-5 more years because the Steelers drafted Mason Rudolph

Big Ben says he wants to play three to five more years. He's just saying that because they drafted Mason Rudolph. 100%. But it's so fantastic that Big Ben, the guy who was contemplating retirement last year, is now like, yeah, you know what? Pencil me in for five more years.

Roethlisberger played through the end of the 2021 season, exactly 4 seasons after this take.
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#PMT-2018-0430-9670
Big CatBig Cat

Every draft grade list should be required to give at least one F

Mel Kiper's grades are so fucking funny. He won't give anyone an F, which is bullshit. Like, if you do grades, you should have to give at least one F. You should have to.

This is a subjective take on how media should operate.
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Take Slip·Apr 27, 2018
#PMT-2018-0427-6055
Big CatBig Cat

Baker Mayfield will be a successful quarterback for the Cleveland Browns

I actually think this [Baker Mayfield] is going to work, and I know that's like stepping out on a very, very thin branch saying a Browns quarterback that they drafted really high might actually work, but I like Baker Mayfield. I like him a lot. I think that he is a very, very good quarterback and I like the competitiveness.

Baker Mayfield had initial success with the Browns, leading them to their first playoff win in decades, but was eventually traded after inconsistencies and injuries. He didn't become the long-term franchise savior but was better than most previous Browns QBs.
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Take Slip·Apr 27, 2018
#PMT-2018-0427-6058
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Josh Allen is a perfect fit for the Buffalo Bills because he has big hands for the cold weather

I think that's a great fit for Bills Mafia. I think it's a great fit for, you know, people forget it's cold. Cold, windy, snowy up there. Big hands. Josh Allen checks off all those boxes. Fucking awesome.

Josh Allen became one of the best quarterbacks in the league and a perfect fit for the Buffalo franchise and weather.
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Take Slip·Apr 27, 2018
#PMT-2018-0427-6060
Big CatBig Cat

Josh Rosen is the best passer in the 2018 NFL Draft class

Josh Rosen, I like Josh Rosen. I had him ranked number one on the Big Cat Big Board because I think he's the best passer.

Josh Rosen struggled significantly in the NFL, was traded after one year by the Cardinals, and never established himself as a starter, let alone the best passer of the class which included Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.
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Take Slip·Apr 27, 2018
#PMT-2018-0427-6061
Big CatBig Cat

Jon Gruden is drafting like he is officially drunk

John Gruden is officially drunk. John Gruden traded the 10th pick for the 15th pick. So he moved back five spots in the draft and only picked up a third and a fifth... and then he picked a guy [Kolton Miller] who everyone said would be like a third or fourth rounder.

While 'officially drunk' is metaphorical, the Gruden era with the Raiders was widely considered a failure in terms of drafting and team building, though Kolton Miller actually developed into a solid tackle.
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Take Slip·Apr 27, 2018
#PMT-2018-0427-6062
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

NFL running backs are entering a new age of resurgence

People are talking shit about drafting a running back. Guess what? We are now living in the resurgence age of running backs.

While high-end RBs like Saquon and CMC remained stars, the market for the position actually continued to decline in the years following this take.
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Take Slip·Apr 25, 2018
#PMT-2018-0425-9654
Ross TuckerRoss Tucker

Josh Rosen's concussion history is a major red flag for NFL teams

My biggest concern with Josh Rosen is – He had two concussions last year where he missed games, right? ... What we know about brain injuries now— If that guy, after he gets drafted third by the Jets, let's say, and it's $30 million guaranteed ... if he gets a concussion in September... I would be – there's a big risk there.

While Rosen's career was derailed by poor situations and talent, his concussion history remained a frequent talking point among scouts throughout his draft process.
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Take Slip·Apr 25, 2018
#PMT-2018-0425-9655
Ross TuckerRoss Tucker

Quentin Nelson is the best player in the 2018 NFL Draft

I think the best player in the draft is Quentin Nelson, but I'm a biased O-line lover. ... He's a guy at night before I go to bed, I might put on some Quentin Nelson highlights just to watch him.

Quentin Nelson became an immediate All-Pro and is widely considered one of the best draft picks of that era.
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Take Slip·Apr 25, 2018
#PMT-2018-0425-9656
Ross TuckerRoss Tucker

Josh Rosen will fall further in the draft than people think

I'm going to go with Rosen to fall. Really? I think Darnold goes one. I think maybe some Barkley or a quarterback at two. I think Mayfield at three. I think [Rosen] ends up falling faster than people think.

Rosen fell to #10 (Arizona Cardinals) while other QBs like Mayfield (#1), Darnold (#3), and Allen (#7) went before him.
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Take Slip·Apr 25, 2018
#PMT-2018-0425-9657
Big CatBig Cat

Derrius Guice will be a better NFL running back than Saquon Barkley

I have a hot take for you. I think the best running back in the draft is [Derrius] Guice. ... Two years ago, I thought Guice was going to be the better NFL prospect than Leonard Fournette, and Fournette had a great rookie season. I still think Guice is going to be better than him.

Saquon Barkley won Rookie of the Year and had multiple 1,000-yard seasons. Derrius Guice's career was marred by injuries and off-field issues, never reaching Barkley's level.
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Take Slip·Apr 25, 2018
#PMT-2018-0425-9658
Jordan PalmerJordan Palmer

NFL offensive line play is getting worse every year

I wouldn't take a quarterback moving forward that couldn't [extend the play] because O-line play is starting to deteriorate. All these colleges, they get less time with the guys. NFL, the new CBA, they get less time with the guys. And the O-line play in the league as a whole is getting worse and worse every year.

This is a widely debated but common sentiment among NFL analysts and former players due to reduced practice time in the post-2011 CBA.
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Take Slip·Apr 25, 2018
#PMT-2018-0425-9659
Big CatBig Cat

The Cleveland Browns will draft Sam Darnold with the first pick

I think the Browns are going to take Sam Darnold. I think so, too. And I think it's going to be the biggest mistake of their life. I think it's going to haunt them for the next 12 months.

The Browns surprised many by drafting Baker Mayfield #1 overall; Darnold went #3 to the Jets.
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Take Slip·Apr 25, 2018
#PMT-2018-0425-9660
Big CatBig Cat

John Elway falls in love with any quarterback he sees in person

I think John Elway's problem is that he just loves every quarterback. As a former quarterback, he will love you if he sees you, where if you wear a football, if you throw a football in front of him, he's like, I'm in love with this guy. He's awesome.

Elway's difficulty finding a franchise QB post-Manning is well-documented in NFL history.
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Take Slip·Apr 23, 2018
#PMT-2018-0423-13829
Mike MayockMike Mayock

Sam Darnold is the best quarterback in the draft and will be picked #1 by the Browns

I think of the group, I would put Darnold first, and I think Cleveland, my gut tells me Cleveland's going to take him at one.

The Cleveland Browns selected Baker Mayfield with the #1 overall pick. Sam Darnold went #3 to the Jets.
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Take Slip·Apr 23, 2018
#PMT-2018-0423-13830
Mike MayockMike Mayock

Josh Allen has the highest upside but the lowest floor of any player in the draft

I kind of look at this like Josh Allen's got the biggest upside of maybe any player in this draft, but he also has got a low floor.

Allen hit his ceiling, becoming an All-Pro, though his 'floor' was visible early on with high turnover rates.
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Take Slip·Apr 23, 2018
#PMT-2018-0423-13831
Mike MayockMike Mayock

Lamar Jackson will require a team to completely change their offensive scheme to build around him

I think somebody's going to commit to him in the first round and say, philosophically and schematically, we're buying into this kid, and we're going to change everything we do and build around him.

The Ravens drafted Lamar Jackson at #32 and eventually won an MVP with a scheme built entirely around him.
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Take Slip·Apr 23, 2018
#PMT-2018-0423-13832
Mike MayockMike Mayock

Saquon Barkley is a clean prospect and every bit as good as Fournette, Elliott, or Gurley

I'll tell you right now, the Barkley kids are every bit as good as any of those guys [Fournette, Ezekiel Elliott, Gurley] and totally clean off the field as well.

Barkley was the Offensive Rookie of the Year and has had a Pro Bowl career, validating his high-level prospect status.
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Take Slip·Apr 23, 2018
#PMT-2018-0423-13833
Mike MayockMike Mayock

Arkansas center Frank Ragnow will be a surprise first-round pick

I think a surprise first-round pick is going to be offensive center Frank Ragnow from Arkansas... Nobody's talking about him, and I think he's gone in the first round.

Frank Ragnow was selected 20th overall by the Detroit Lions.
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Take Slip·Apr 20, 2018
#PMT-2018-0420-11406
Big CatBig Cat

The Minnesota Vikings are never going to win a Super Bowl

The Vikings are never going to win a Super Bowl... It's just not the cards, though.

Pending for the 'never' part, but they have not won one since the take was made.
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Take Slip·Apr 20, 2018
#PMT-2018-0420-11407
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Tom Brady and Bill Belichick actually hate each other

Tom Brady, on the other hand, I think he hates Belichick. I think they hate each other.

Subjective view, but books like 'It's Better to Be Feared' confirmed significant tension during this period, though they won another Super Bowl together a year later.
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#PMT-2018-0418-4013
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

The NFL should fine quarterbacks for receiver head injuries if the pass leads them into danger

Micah Hyde... came up with a new idea that actually makes a lot of sense about finding players for helmet-to-helmet hits. He thinks that quarterbacks should be fined for their receivers getting hit in the head if the quarterback leads them into danger. I don't hate it.

This rule has not been implemented by the NFL.
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#PMT-2018-0418-4014
Big CatBig Cat

The Browns are smokescreening everyone by pretending to like Josh Allen with the #1 pick

Everyone thinks they're going to take Sam Darnold, but they're making a lot of moves for Josh Allen. And everyone says they like Josh Allen, but it's a smokescreen. And they have the first pick.

The Browns actually took Baker Mayfield, making the Allen/Darnold debate irrelevant to the first pick, though Allen was heavily linked to them.
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Take Slip·Apr 13, 2018
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Pat FitzgeraldPat Fitzgerald

Football is a six-inch war focused on running the ball

We've got to run the ball. I mean, that's football. That's what this game's all about. It's a six-inch war. If you can't move people, you can't win. And, you know, that's the name of the game, no doubt.

This is a subjective coaching philosophy.
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