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Take Slip·Oct 7, 2022
#PMT-2022-1007-8078
Big CatBig Cat

The 1992 Dream Team is better than the 2008 Redeem Team and it isn't close

I would say the dream team was the greatest basketball team of all time... And it's not even close. Well, yeah. Probably, probably not close. But this team was very, very good.

This is a classic 'Bar Talk' debate that cannot be objectively resolved, though the 1992 team is the historical consensus.
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#PMT-2022-1005-12868
HankHank

Losing a preseason game to an NBL team is bad for Chris Paul's legacy

The sun's lost their first games. Good for us. They lost an NBL team, an Australian league team... How did Chris Paul do though legacy wise? [Hank:] I mean, that's bad for your legacy. [Big Cat:] I'm gonna count that as another 3-1 lead blown.

The Suns did lose to the Adelaide 36ers, making it the first time an NBA team lost to an NBL team. The 'legacy' impact is a subjective joke.
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#PMT-2022-0923-4699
HankHank

Ime Udoka's suspension from the Celtics is a messy, public drama nightmare

My Fyre Fest besides the Celtics coach getting suspended for a year... for what? Disgustingly messy public drama. Yeah, that sucks. The only crime he did was his dick was too hard.

Subjective reaction to a high-profile sports scandal.
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#PMT-2022-0916-10401
HankHank

Seahawks fans deserved to lose the SuperSonics

The Seahawks take, which was correct... I think what people got really mad about is when you said like you deserve to lose the Sonics. Yeah. That Joe sports... because the Sonics like just straight up, they left, they fucked over the city of Seattle.

This is purely a spiteful opinion intended to trigger fans; there is no objective measure for whether a fan base 'deserves' to lose a franchise.
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Take Slip·Aug 17, 2022
#PMT-2022-0817-7956
Ryen RussilloRyen Russillo

Sam Hinkie was too unapologetic about tanking and didn't play the media game well enough

Because [Hinkie] didn't play the game with us, we got more mad at him. Yeah. Like he definitely could have done it and done it a different way. Been better with the media been more open pretended he wasn't really doing it even though everybody like teams are tanking, but we don't wanna be told it. It's fucking crazy. Right? And that's why like it to me is a, is a clear relation to how politicians talk to us.

Subjective media analysis.
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Take Slip·Aug 17, 2022
#PMT-2022-0817-7958
Ryen RussilloRyen Russillo

I have zero sympathy for Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving because they don't play in enough games

Sean Marks is the guy when you, you basically were like, Hey sign Deandre Jordan... You're getting everything you want and then you still want everybody fired... Just play in the fucking basketball games. And maybe things will work out... I have no sympathy for any of those guys. Whenever I see anybody on TV being like, well, you know, they could have done a better job with their buy level exception and I'm like, stop fucking talking. It's about one thing the guys don't play in enough games.

Subjective opinion on player value and drama.
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Take Slip·Aug 10, 2022
#PMT-2022-0810-16775
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Sean Marks is a bad GM because he brought in Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving

I kind of agree with Kevin Durant. I think that Sean Marks is a bad GM because he brought Kevin Durant in. So Kevin Durant is right. They should fire him for bringing him in there.

Subjective opinion on GM performance, delivered via irony.
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Take Slip·Aug 1, 2022
#PMT-2022-0801-11578
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Bill Russell is the most 'Mount Rushmore-able' NBA player ever

[Bill Russell] might be the most Mount Rushmoreable professional basketball player of all time. Like on various Mount Rushmores. Yeah. As far as like what he did obviously for the Celtics, he's maybe the most clutch postseason player of all time. He was 10 and 0 in elimination games in the playoffs.

Russell is widely considered a top 4-5 player in NBA history, making him a standard fixture on basketball Mount Rushmores.
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Take Slip·Jul 29, 2022
#PMT-2022-0729-18776
Craig KilbornCraig Kilborn

I would pay any price for NBA League Pass

For the NBA league pass, I would pay anything. I have to watch those games. So I think it's like, I think it's 300 bucks. I don't know what it is, but don't tell Adam silver, but if it was higher I would pay higher.

Subjective personal value judgment.
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Take Slip·Jul 25, 2022
#PMT-2022-0725-14387
Big CatBig Cat

James Dolan's 'Moneyball' approach to overpaying for good-but-not-great players is relatable

I kinda actually like, now that I'm saying it, I kind of like James Dolan's process strategy. ... as a gambling brain, I think the same thing where it's like, maybe this is maybe it's just like, everyone just plays their best for an entire season. ... let's sign people and just hope for the absolute best case scenario all the time. ... That is a gambling brain of like, yeah. Yeah. This is the one that's gonna work.

This is a subjective comparison between team management and gambling psychology.
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#PMT-2022-0718-15913
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James only played in the Drew League because he wants to be like Kobe Bryant

The Kobe one was awesome when he hit that game winner and everyone just mobbed him and LeBron just wants to be Kobe. So that's why he [played in the Drew League].

The motivation of LeBron James is inherently subjective.
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#PMT-2022-0711-5978
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

LeBron James and Steph Curry would beat Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson in a 2v2 because of the three-point shot

I think Steph Curry, he doesn't let LeBron touch the ball except to rebound. And then Steph, if he hits 40% of his threes, two is 50%... 100% more than one. I think mathematically they would dominate that game.

This is a hypothetical debate that can't be resolved.
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Take Slip·Jun 20, 2022
#PMT-2022-0620-19157
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Steph Curry has accidentally ruined basketball for children

I don't like what he's done to the sport of basketball, but I like him... through no fault of his own. He's just, he's all the, every kid out there that doesn't grow... is like, you know what? I'm just going to shoot from half court now... and fun fact nobody's the next Steph.

The 'Steph Curry effect' on youth basketball is a documented phenomenon noted by many coaches and analysts.
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Take Slip·Jun 17, 2022
#PMT-2022-0617-9847
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Steph Curry is now in the conversation for best basketball player of all time

Steph Curry is now in the conversation for best basketball player of all time, all time, but he still hasn't had the, the MVP trophy handed to him by the commissioner yet because we had the backup commissioner that filled in for silver and did that tonight.

While Curry is generally ranked in the top 10-15 all-time, he is rarely considered above Jordan or LeBron, making this a bold but tracked debate point.
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Take Slip·Jun 17, 2022
#PMT-2022-0617-9853
Big CatBig Cat

Steph Curry is the #2 point guard of all time and better than Magic Johnson

He's, I don't know where he's number two point guard of all time. And I guess you could probably make the argument now that like, people will probably argue that he's better than magic. I don't know. You know, I'm not an MBA historian, but he is number two all time.

Most historians still rank Magic #1 due to his dominance and Longevity, but Curry is almost universally ranked #2.
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Take Slip·Jun 15, 2022
#PMT-2022-0615-14890
Big CatBig Cat

Neither the Warriors nor the Celtics are truly great teams compared to historical NBA champions

Is there a chance that neither of these teams are that great? I keep thinking that one team's going to assert themselves one or the other. And it's like, both these teams are very good. I'm saying neither of these teams are like, great... whoever wins this, I'm not going to walk away and be like, that team was one of the best championship teams I've ever seen.

This is a subjective historical comparison that cannot be definitively proven.
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Take Slip·Jun 15, 2022
#PMT-2022-0615-14892
HankHank

Any NBA team from the 1990s would die trying to defend the Golden State Warriors' movement and pick-and-rolls

Any team from the nineties that had to deal with the fucking pick and rolls and like the movement that the warriors do, like they would die. They would die. It's insane. The amount of they would be killed on the court... like NBA players didn't run. They didn't do a cardio in the nineties.

Subjective comparison between eras with different rules and physical training standards.
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Take Slip·Jun 10, 2022
#PMT-2022-0610-2573
Billy FootballBilly Football

Jayson Tatum did not have a good game in Game 3

Jayson Tatum once again did not have that good of a game. He played very good, but he's not giving MVP.

Subjective, but Tatum led the team in points and assists in a double-digit win.
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Take Slip·Jun 3, 2022
#PMT-2022-0603-12581
Richard JeffersonRichard Jefferson

Milwaukee would have won the East and reached the Finals if Khris Middleton was healthy

I think that Milwaukee was the best team this year. If they would have had Middleton, they'd be in final right now.

While logically sound given the 7-game series, it's ultimately an unprovable hypothetical.
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Take Slip·Jun 3, 2022
#PMT-2022-0603-12582
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

If Steph Curry wins Finals MVP, he is a better basketball player than LeBron James

If Steph Curry wins an NBA finals MVP this year, I'm ready to be the first person to [say] that he's better than LeBron James purely at basketball.

Steph won FMVP, but the majority of analysts still rank LeBron significantly higher all-time. It's an opinion.
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Take Slip·May 31, 2022
#PMT-2022-0531-9420
Big CatBig Cat

Jimmy Butler took the right shot at the end of Game 7

I saw some people being like, that's a bad shot. It's like, dude one, it it's wide open. You know, it's a wide open shot... I want him taking that shot. I have no pro—like I would like to go down swinging like that. If you're a heat fan being like Jimmy Butler, taking that shot, who cares about, you know, whether he's a good three point shooter or not, he just, I want him taking that shot.

Butler missed the shot and the Heat lost, making it factually unsuccessful, though the quality of the shot is a subjective debate.
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Take Slip·May 31, 2022
#PMT-2022-0531-9421
Jake MarshJake Marsh

The Heat would have won the series in 5 or 6 games if Jimmy Butler had any help

He's the only reason the series got to seven. He got drill help—if he got any help, the heat win the series in five or six.

Tyler Herro was injured and Bam Adebayo was inconsistent; it's a plausible hypothetical that can't be proven.
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Take Slip·May 31, 2022
#PMT-2022-0531-9430
Stavros HalkiasStavros Halkias

Giannis Antetokounmpo is the best player in the NBA

Lately my best player in the NBA, best player in the NBA, works hard as fuck. Truly like he's younger than me, but an inspiration to me... Mr. Antetokounmpo, is there anything I can do for like truly a hero of mine?

A subjective ranking, but Giannis was First Team All-NBA and a top MVP candidate in 2022.
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Take Slip·May 31, 2022
#PMT-2022-0531-9431
Stavros HalkiasStavros Halkias

The Celtics' 2022 Finals run has a 'Middleton Asterisk'

Boston's bitch ass. Getting lucky with middle the middle. What? I'm calling the Middleton asterisk, which I will not allow them to enjoy this championship. Should it happen? And it won't.

The Bucks lost to the Celtics in 7 games without their second-best player; whether it's an 'asterisk' is purely opinion.
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Take Slip·May 27, 2022
#PMT-2022-0527-12099
Tracy McGradyTracy McGrady

One-on-one basketball is the true, pure essence of the sport

One-on-one is the true essence of basketball. There's one-on-one and five on five, true matchups, but one-on-ones the true pure essence of basketball. I mean, we all grew up playing one-on-one.

This is a subjective view on the 'spirit' of the game.
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Take Slip·May 27, 2022
#PMT-2022-0527-12100
Tracy McGradyTracy McGrady

Kyrie Irving would be tough for LeBron James to guard one-on-one even in LeBron's prime

Kyrie [Irving] will be tough for LeBron [James] to even guard in his prime. Right. We haven't really seen Kyrie skillset. We've seen snippets, but it's hard to really, really display your ultimate skillset in a five-on-five setting. One-on-one Kyrie... you could probably see things that you never seen before.

Purely subjective hypothetical scenario between two all-time greats.
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Take Slip·May 27, 2022
#PMT-2022-0527-12102
Tracy McGradyTracy McGrady

Dwight Howard is the most disrespectful omission from the NBA Top 75 list

I don't take away from anybody that was on that list... but Dwight Howard to me is really the most disrespectful one [omission]. His prime years was phenomenal. Like he was the most dominant big in our game in his prime years.

While subjective, many analysts and players agreed that Howard's 3x DPOY and Finals run warranted inclusion.
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Take Slip·May 27, 2022
#PMT-2022-0527-12103
Tracy McGradyTracy McGrady

If Grant Hill had stayed healthy, we would have created a dynasty in Orlando

If Grant Hill was healthy... I make it to the NBA finals with the Orlando Magic. We would have created a dynasty for sure.

The 2000s Magic were consistently derailed by Grant Hill's ankle injuries, but 'dynasty' is an unprovable high bar.
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Take Slip·May 25, 2022
#PMT-2022-0525-3311
HankHank

Robert Williams is the most important defender on the Celtics

100%. If Robert Williams was healthy all year, he would have been the defensive player [of the year].

Subjective value judgment, though many metrics supported Williams' impact on the Celtics' elite defense when healthy.
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Take Slip·May 23, 2022
#PMT-2022-0523-18890
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Coach K is the worst NBA coach to never have coached in the NBA

Coach K would be a worst head coach than Calipari was when he was head coach. He's the worst NBA coach to never have coached in the NBA.

This is a hypothetical paradox and cannot be proven, though Coach K's record with NBA players on Team USA was excellent.
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Take Slip·May 20, 2022
#PMT-2022-0520-3096
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

European NBA players should be allowed to drink beer during games instead of Gatorade

My problem is not with the beer. I think if you're from Eastern Europe, you should be able to drink a beer, like instead of Gatorade during the game. And that would be fine.

This is a subjective opinion about league rules that were never changed.
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#PMT-2022-0520-3102
Ryen RussilloRyen Russillo

Chris Paul might not care as much about winning as his die-hard fans do

I've been seeing this guy [Chris Paul] and it's, I mean, this is long-term and you know, like in every relationship there's always somebody, the relationship seems to matter a lot more to... It's getting to the point where like, I don't want to say, like, I'm not, I'm not trying to be a victim in this, but like, you can care about somebody for so long. And then you wonder, I don't think this person could care as much as I do.

Player motivation and internal feelings are subjective and cannot be verified.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2022
#PMT-2022-0518-14721
Big CatBig Cat

It is bullshit that NBA players are still missing playoff games for COVID in 2022

I think it's bullshit that anyone should be out for COVID. It's like, it should be like the NFL playoffs where COVID just didn't exist. If you think that like COVID in the spring of 2022 should be deciding playoffs series, you're crazy. Like that's bullshit.

This is a subjective opinion about league policy.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2022
#PMT-2022-0518-14727
John SalleyJohn Salley

Michael Jordan is not the greatest of all time because you can only be the greatest of a decade

Michael Jordan is not the greatest of all time. It's the same reason Michael says he's not the greatest of all time because he didn't get to play against the other greats of all time. You can be the greatest of that decade. So in the nineties... Michael Jordan was the best period. But then before that it was magic and bird. And before that it was Dr. J.

This is a philosophical take on sports rankings that cannot be objectively proven or disproven.
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Take Slip·May 18, 2022
#PMT-2022-0518-14728
John SalleyJohn Salley

Isaiah Thomas is a better player than Steph Curry and people only rank Curry higher because Isaiah is short

The greatest player I've ever played with is Isaiah Thomas. And I have played with Michael. I have played with Kobe and Shaq, but the greatest player was Isaiah Thomas... He's six foot. And he did everything everybody else was doing. And in the same amount of time that Steph Curry was playing, Isaiah had better stats, but no one wants to mention it.

Statistically and by accolades, Curry and MJ are widely considered superior. This is a very subjective, loyalty-based take.
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Take Slip·May 13, 2022
#PMT-2022-0513-6674
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

It would be better for the future of the Mavericks if they lose Game 7 to the Suns

I'll take it one step further. How's this for take, it would actually be better for the future of the Dallas Mavericks. If they lose this game. ... if they had gotten blown out in the second round, then I feel like mark Cuban would kind of like have to go nuclear and try to put something good together and get like an awesome player to team up with Luca to take that next step.

Subjective. However, the Mavs made the WCF and eventually traded for Kyrie Irving later, suggesting they didn't need a total nuclear option after that run.
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Take Slip·May 11, 2022
#PMT-2022-0511-13196
HankHank

Al Horford is Batman and Jason Tatum is Robin

[Al Horford]'s Batman. Jason Tatum's Robin, Jaylen Brown the Joker.

This is a subjective characterization of team roles based on a single game's performance.
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Take Slip·May 9, 2022
#PMT-2022-0509-6253
Big CatBig Cat

Chris Paul is the best player in the NBA who also sucks

Chris Paul, we, yeah, we did determine like, we all agree. He's awesome. But at the same time he sucks. And those are my favorite players. Like he is the best player in the NBA who also sucks ass.

This is a subjective characterization of a player's career arc and postseason reputation.
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Take Slip·May 6, 2022
#PMT-2022-0506-12057
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Chris Paul is confirmed 'good' at basketball, but he's not 'great' yet

Chris Paul has always been good. In fact, the word good is the perfect word. That's a good word to describe Chris Paul. He's good... He's not great yet. But I mean, he looks unstoppable.

Chris Paul is widely considered a top point guard of all time, making the 'not great' label a stylistic choice based on championship rings.
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Take Slip·May 6, 2022
#PMT-2022-0506-12059
Big CatBig Cat

Luka Doncic's lack of conditioning is actually a good sign for Mavericks fans

It's actually a great lesson in life of why you should always stay a little bit overweight because you can always say I haven't peaked. I can still reach my level of best shape of my life. And when I do, y'all better watch out. And that's what Luka can do.

Luka's conditioning remained a topic of debate for years, though he continued to be an MVP-caliber player regardless.
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Take Slip·May 4, 2022
#PMT-2022-0504-17288
Big CatBig Cat

The NBA should judge flagrant fouls by whether the play would start a fight in a pickup game

I basically judge flagrant fouls. Would this foul start a fight in a pickup basketball game? That one [Dillon Brooks on Gary Payton II] would have started a fight instantly. Instantly. Not everyone who's played pickup basketball knows there's a difference.

This is a subjective standard for officiating.
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Take Slip·May 4, 2022
#PMT-2022-0504-17290
Big CatBig Cat

Ja Morant hovers in the air and time moves slower when he's around the basket

Ja Morant, I like, he just hovers. I don't understand it. He doesn't, he jumps up and he just doesn't come down. He does like six moves in the air. Time moves slower when he's in there. It's almost like they've already planned out the four things they're going to do in the air before they actually put the ball up.

Subjective appreciation of elite athleticism.
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Take Slip·May 4, 2022
#PMT-2022-0504-17292
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

LeBron James is living the college sorority life he never got on social media

I love LeBron James on social media, man. He's basically living the college sorority life that he never got to because he went straight to the NBA. Between his emoji game and then the egregious amount of Instagram stories that he puts up. This guy is no different than like a 22-year-old.

Subjective comparison of social media habits.
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Take Slip·May 2, 2022
#PMT-2022-0502-12488
HankHank

I would much rather lose a game playing like absolute dogshit than lose while playing well

Spin zone is I would much rather lose a game where you play like absolute dog [and] play worse than lose a game where you're playing really well and the other team just beat you. Like the Celtics played so bad. Jaylen Brown was so bad. Jason Tatum didn't play well, no one was playing well.

This is a subjective philosophy on losing, though it reflects the common 'burn the tape' sports mentality.
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Take Slip·May 2, 2022
#PMT-2022-0502-12491
Big CatBig Cat

Giannis Antetokounmpo is indisputably the best player in the NBA

I wonder, I think that we've all decided that Giannis is the best player in the NBA right now. Like, I don't know if that's a debate anymore. I think that's just because Giannis is too nice. If he was meaner, I don't think it would be a debate. ... [Giannis] has the killer gene. He's just will also kill you and then say a dad joke afterwards.

At the time, Giannis was coming off a title and an MVP-caliber season. While subjective, it was a widely held expert view.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2022
#PMT-2022-0422-14990
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Patrick Beverley is at his best when he is angry and disrespected, rather than happy and praised

Patrick Beverley needs to get more pissed off. I think he's too happy... he's been respected too much recently. Patrick Beverley needs to get angry again. He's too happy. I think people have respected Patrick Beverley a little bit too much the last week... he's at his best when he's got a chip on his shoulder.

Subjective opinion on a player's mindset.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2022
#PMT-2022-0422-14988
Big CatBig Cat

Karl-Anthony Towns is a bum for his no-show performance against the Grizzlies

I'm done with Karl-Anthony Towns. I'm definitely done with him... He's a bum. I don't know what to say. Like he has to basically, he now has a legacy series that his hands he has to come out and dominate the next like three games to restore his legacy because now the play-in game and then tonight [Game 3] he was a complete no-show.

While KAT had a bad game, calling him a 'bum' and being 'done' with him is subjective, though he did struggle for much of that series.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2022
#PMT-2022-0422-14995
Kirk GoldsberryKirk Goldsberry

Donovan Mitchell is currently an inefficient jump shooter

Donovan Mitchell reminds me a little bit of DeRozan. His shot selection is tough and his shot-making isn't as good as DeRozan's... overall, I would say he's inefficient as a jump shooter.

This is a statistical opinion based on metrics at the time of the 2022 playoffs.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2022
#PMT-2022-0422-14996
Kirk GoldsberryKirk Goldsberry

Bam Adebayo was the most versatile and influential defender in the NBA this season

I'd say Bam Adebayo was the most versatile and most influential defender... The center position, the big man position... is the quarterback of the defense. They are by far the most important defenders. And I don't think Marcus Smart is even the most impactful defender on his own team.

Subjective defensive evaluation.
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Take Slip·Apr 22, 2022
#PMT-2022-0422-14997
Kirk GoldsberryKirk Goldsberry

The Lakers are a sketchy organization right now that is coasting on its past

This is a franchise that is sort of really based on its own illustrious past... The organization itself, there's a reputation around the league that man, this is kind of a sketchy place... whatever coach comes in there is going to have their hands full.

Reflects the general sentiment of NBA media in 2022.
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