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Take Slip·Apr 7, 2021
#PMT-2021-0407-3403
HankHank

If a player scores while committing a charge, the basket should still count

To fix the charge rule, because this is one of those things where there's so many and it's kind of annoying where it's like there's too many charges. They should make it so that if you score, it counts. No matter what.

This is a subjective proposal for a rule change that has not been implemented.
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Take Slip·Apr 7, 2021
#PMT-2021-0407-3416
Jimmy TatroJimmy Tatro

Every team Kevin Durant joins becomes 'whack'

Every team KD goes to, he makes them whack, you know? I love the Warriors. The Warriors were cool. They had their thing going. And then KD showed up to the party and was like, wait, guys, include me. And then I hated the Warriors. And then, you know, he went to the Nets. And now they're like, you know... If they don't win the championship, they're so whack.

This is a subjective fan opinion about the 'coolness' or competitive merit of teams.
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#PMT-2021-0407-3412
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James never would have won the 2020 title if fans were in the stands

LeBron. Because he never would have won a title if there were fans. Seriously.

This is a non-verifiable hypothetical about the impact of the COVID bubble environment.
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#PMT-2021-0331-8345
Big CatBig Cat

Kevin Durant has actually become more likable by being more online

Kevin Durant is the most online person of all time. I think he has done the impossible. Usually when people are more online, they become worse people... Kevin Durant has become more likable by being online more.

Likability is subjective, though many sports fans did pivot to enjoying KD's 'Super Cool Kev' online persona.
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Take Slip·Mar 15, 2021
#PMT-2021-0315-6847
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Coaches need to stop calling isolation plays and start calling real sets at the ends of games

I'm just stating facts in the interest of fairness, Big Cat. Coaches need to call actual plays at the ends of games. They need to stop with the ISO, and then the guy has the ball, dribbles it three times between his legs, and then shoots from 25 feet because Steph Curry ruined basketball.

The prevalence of isolation plays at the end of college basketball games remains a major point of criticism for analysts and fans alike.
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Take Slip·Mar 8, 2021
#PMT-2021-0308-6443
Big CatBig Cat

Replay review has ruined the watchability of basketball

Review in NBA and college basketball has ruined the watchability of basketball games because it just the last five minutes take forever. And they look at every little piece of the game and did it go off this guy? It was unwatchable. They need to dial it back.

This is a subjective opinion on the quality of the product.
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#PMT-2021-0301-11512
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James can never match Michael Jordan's level of legendary asshole-ness

LeBron could never. Never, ever. ... MJ talks such great shit... [He] has a full staff walking around with highlights ready to go, depending on which NBA players he runs into. ... LeBron could never.

Jordan's reputation for competitive pettiness is legendary and well-documented compared to LeBron's more curated public persona.
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Take Slip·Feb 24, 2021
#PMT-2021-0224-3812
Arian FosterArian Foster

Michael Jordan was suspended for gambling in 1993 and the league kept it under wraps

The reason why he retired originally in 93 was because he got suspended for gambling... I heard how this conspiracy goes is that they actually suspended him, but they just kept it under wraps because it would have been bad for the league.

This is a historical conspiracy theory that has never been verified and was denied by Michael Jordan and David Stern.
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Take Slip·Feb 17, 2021
#PMT-2021-0217-11172
Robert HorryRobert Horry

Players-only meetings are for losers

In my mind, team meetings are for losers because right now you're floundering in the wind, you're getting ready to point some fingers, and people's feelings get hurt in team meetings. If you just talk about it on a constant basis, you get used to it.

This is a subjective philosophy on coaching and leadership from a multi-time champion.
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Take Slip·Feb 17, 2021
#PMT-2021-0217-11174
Robert HorryRobert Horry

James Harden handled his exit from the Rockets poorly

Every scenario is different. And in James' way, I think—I love James as a player, I think he handled it wrong... For them to actually still bend over backwards for this guy and send him to where he wants to go shows you how much love they have for him... You should respectfully go to the organization that's done everything for you and do it quietly.

Harden's exit was widely criticized by NBA legends for his lack of professionalism, supporting Horry's viewpoint.
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Take Slip·Feb 17, 2021
#PMT-2021-0217-11176
Robert HorryRobert Horry

Modern NBA stars would still be considered 'soft' in the 90s era

If these guys [international players] would have came in during my era, they'd still be soft. Because there was a different era where—guys, you know, you wasn't running over to the monitor because some guys say I got a hit in the head... It makes me so mad now when you see these guys.

This is an unprovable generational comparison commonly made by retired players.
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Take Slip·Feb 17, 2021
#PMT-2021-0217-11178
Robert HorryRobert Horry

1999-2000 Shaquille O'Neal was the most dominant player in NBA history

That 2019, 2000 Shaq was probably the most dominant player ever in the NBA because he was in shape. He had no injuries and, he was scared of Phil, and so he wanted to win a championship.

Statistical and historical consensus often ranks Shaq's 2000 season as one of the most dominant individual stretches ever.
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#PMT-2021-0215-2803
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

James Harden literally ate his way out of Houston

Yeah, that is what happened, James. You got fat. James, you got fat. You ate your way out of Houston, which is very difficult to do.

Subjective but widely observed by media and fans during Harden's final weeks in Houston.
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Take Slip·Jan 20, 2021
#PMT-2021-0120-19231
Duncan RobinsonDuncan Robinson

Jimmy Butler is a great teammate and the media perception of him is wrong

Jimmy Butler is a great teammate. I don't understand the media twist on what he is... he challenges people and he pushes people, and a lot of people aren't willing or wanting to maybe hear that. But in reality, it's just trying to achieve success... He's certainly had a huge impact on my career.

Butler's success in Miami, leading them to multiple Finals appearances, largely validated this 'culture' argument over the previous 'cancer' narrative.
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Take Slip·Jan 20, 2021
#PMT-2021-0120-19232
Duncan RobinsonDuncan Robinson

NBA officials might respect me more if I had a tattoo sleeve

I've thought that [getting tattoos]... from just a respect standpoint, you know, like whether it be officials or the opposition... particularly like in the playoffs, I got targeted a lot on defense. I figured maybe that would happen a little bit less if I had some [tattoos] on me.

This is an unprovable psychological claim about referee bias.
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Take Slip·Dec 30, 2020
#PMT-2020-1230-17705
Horace GrantHorace Grant

Scottie Pippen definitely had a migraine in the 1990 Game 7 and shouldn't be questioned

Listen, when you have migraines... you can blow worry. You can't see the Noah's is crazy. There is no waste guy that could be a function that there will be migraine. And he did have a migraine men. And for, for us, it's, I mean, for the people who sipping guests that, I mean, I don't know if you can say, you know, the, you know, it, you can kiss my ass. You know, that's, that's crazy, man.

While the medical reality of Pippen's migraine is a fact, the interpretation of its impact on his ability to play is subjective to his teammates.
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Take Slip·Dec 30, 2020
#PMT-2020-1230-17707
Kevin LoveKevin Love

My famous defensive stop on Steph Curry was actually a bad defensive possession

When you say it was actually, you know, I played great defense, but as far as the defensive scheme and play, it was actually a bad defensive possession because I wasn't supposed to let it was supposed to deny the ball back to Steph and I let him get the ball back. So Draymond had caught it kind of in the corner. It was like, okay, I need, I'm going to need Steph to, to make this play because he's done the time and time again.

This is a tactical assessment of his own performance by the athlete himself.
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Take Slip·Dec 23, 2020
#PMT-2020-1223-3748
Richard JeffersonRichard Jefferson

Championship teams don't need to be friends, they just need to respect each other

There is no championship team that are just holding hands and skipping their way to the finals. There's going to be moments where you don't want to talk to each other... you have to respect each other. You don't have to get along. I think that's been proven time in and time out.

This is a long-standing debate in sports psychology, but many championship teams (like the 2000s Lakers or 90s Bulls) have succeeded despite internal feuds.
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Take Slip·Dec 16, 2020·Null
#PMT-2020-1216-19280
Big CatBig Cat

Giannis staying in Milwaukee is a major victory for NBA parity

I think this is actually great for the league. It's a win for the league because you have a little bit more parity. You have the small market teams like teams drafting a superstar and be able to hold on to them is important for the league.

Subjective opinion on league health.
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#PMT-2020-1214-4213
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Kyrie Irving is the 'basketball Steve Jobs'

I think I've decided to just become a Kyrie guy... what's the harm in going with everything that Kyrie Irving says and believes? I'd rather believe him and have him be wrong than not believe him and have him be right... He thinks he's the basketball Steve Jobs.

Subjective characterization.
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Take Slip·Dec 4, 2020
#PMT-2020-1204-5182
Big CatBig Cat

The Rockets and Wizards both lost the Russell Westbrook for John Wall trade

The John Wall-Russell Westbrook trade was hilarious because it was a trade where I think both teams lost. It's essentially the status quo.

Both players were moved again shortly after, and neither team achieved significant playoff success with them. The trade is generally viewed as a wash or a slight loss for both given the lack of long-term impact.
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#PMT-2020-1120-12923
Big CatBig Cat

Michael Jordan will make LaVar Ball cry when they finally play one-on-one

Oh, that is awkward that [LaMelo Ball] is going to Charlotte and LaVar Ball said that he can beat Michael Jordan one-on-one. I mean, they've got to play one-on-one. They have to play one-on-one. And Michael Jordan will make LaVar Ball cry.

The game never officially happened, so it remains a subjective projection of Jordan's dominance over an amateur player.
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#PMT-2020-1111-12720
HankHank

The 76ers new City Edition jerseys are the worst of all time

My hot seat have a few first one is the 76ers. They released the ugliest probably the worst Jersey reveal of all time the NBA yesterday. They like had new City theme jerseys that are just disgusting... objectively ugly uniforms.

Jersey aesthetics are subjective.
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#PMT-2020-1104-3371
HankHank

The Warriors' 'Oakland Forever' jerseys are total bullshit since they left town

They released jerseys for this year that say Oakland on them... It's like the Oakland forever jerseys and it got Warriors fans really mad because they left Oakland. Apparently there's like a lawsuit going on... it's messed up that they did that.

Subjective opinion on branding ethics.
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#PMT-2020-1014-4085
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James is the second-best player to be born in Akron, Ohio

[LeBron] is the second best player to be born in Akron, Ohio behind Steph Curry, correct? That's our compliments of LeBron.

While both were born in Akron, LeBron is almost universally ranked higher than Curry in all-time greatness lists, making the 'second best' claim a subjective troll.
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#PMT-2020-1012-19742
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James is officially the second-best basketball player of all time

I still think MJ's better but like LeBron is incredible. Yeah, he's won four titles. What can you say? ... He's the second best player of all time. That's really nice honesty.

The GOAT debate is entirely subjective.
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Take Slip·Oct 7, 2020
#PMT-2020-1007-16804
Big CatBig Cat

The Heat would have won Game 4 if Goran Dragic had played

I'm not going to make excuses and say this doesn't count as a finals win for LeBron, but you got to think that if [Goran] Dragic played this game, the Heat would probably win. Absolutely. I mean we can all agree on that.

Subjective sports hypothetical. Dragic missed the game, so we will never know.
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#PMT-2020-0928-3137
HankHank

Erik Spoelstra is the only reason LeBron James won championships in Miami

Spoelstra's a very good coach. Honestly I'm a huge advocate of Spoelstra and he's the only reason that LeBron James ever won those championships in Miami in the first place.

While Spoelstra is a great coach, LeBron James won titles in Cleveland and LA without him, and the Big Three's talent was a primary factor in the Miami wins. The claim is subjective and highly biased.
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#PMT-2020-0928-3138
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Jimmy Butler is a top-five player in the NBA right now

Jimmy Butler could be top-five player ever ever. I thought I'd play right now. Absolutely.

Butler had a legendary Finals performance in 2020, but most analysts would place him in the top 10-15 range rather than top 5 overall.
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Take Slip·Sep 16, 2020
#PMT-2020-0916-9257
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Paul George is a third piece at best on a championship team

I'm doing playoff P your you're not a second dude, you're you're a third piece. I you're a third piece at best.

This is a subjective evaluation of a player's hierarchy. Paul George remained a high-level starter but the 'third piece' label is a common critique of his playoff reliability.
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Take Slip·Sep 16, 2020
#PMT-2020-0916-9259
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Bam Adebayo's block on Jayson Tatum was better than LeBron James' chase-down blocks

Definitely better than the chase Downs by LeBron. Those are just brought. Those are just be LeBron being lazy and like waiting for his moment. This is actually an impressive block it really it's more the Celtics part 14 in the fourth quarter

This is a subjective opinion on the quality of basketball highlights.
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#PMT-2020-0911-19772
HankHank

The NBA rigged Game 6 for the Raptors over the Celtics to get a Game 7 for ratings

I'm feeling nervous. I'm not gonna lie. Game 6 was clearly like the NBA and I understand where the NBA is coming from where they need the best ratings we could possibly get. If we could tell the refs, just call everything against the Celtics so we can get a game 7 for ratings. I understand it. It was clearly the post-game report admitted everything that happened on the stretch that was supposed to get called against the Celtics didn't.

While the NBA admitted to officiating errors, there is no proof of a directive for ratings. The Celtics won Game 7 anyway.
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Take Slip·Sep 4, 2020
#PMT-2020-0904-16482
Big CatBig Cat

James Harden stinks in Game 7s.

James Harden stinks in the game 7. All is right in the world... I think I can still throw out some James Harden [slander]... and he does look fat, he does look out of shape.

Harden's playoff efficiency and performance in elimination games have been a frequent topic of debate, with many stats supporting a dip in production.
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Take Slip·Sep 2, 2020
#PMT-2020-0902-7738
Big CatBig Cat

James Harden will never get in shape

Will James Harden ever get in shape? No. I mean he's late to the bubble. I want to saying because he was out of shape... he does that like he'll do it in a game. He'll drive really hard to the hoop. And then the next like three plays [be like] I'm not running up and down.

This is a subjective long-term opinion on a player's conditioning and playstyle.
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Take Slip·Aug 26, 2020
#PMT-2020-0826-6155
Big CatBig Cat

The Jazz and the Nuggets are the exact same team

I have to admit fully. I think the Jazz and the Nuggets are the exact same team. Both altitude, kind of similar colors. Like if you tell me Jazz nuggets, nuggets Jazz, I'm just like yeah, those are all the same guys. Like if you use lists the names and like you could tell me Donovan Mitchell's on the Nuggets. Neither of them are winning the championship, right? Correct.

While they are literally different teams, neither team made the Finals that year, and they share many regional and aesthetic similarities, fitting the spirit of the joke.
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Take Slip·Aug 26, 2020
#PMT-2020-0826-6163
Big CatBig Cat

Every NBA lottery team should have the exact same odds to win

He [Mike Greenberg] thinks that every team in the lottery should have the exact same chance of winning the lottery. That's actually not a crazy crazy idea that's actually been talked about because it would basically take away tanking. It's the anti-tank rule. I don't hate that.

This is a policy proposal that hasn't been implemented, making it inherently subjective.
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Take Slip·Aug 19, 2020
#PMT-2020-0819-18783
Big CatBig Cat

No one in the NBA can stop Luka Doncic

Luca is incredible Lucas so fucking good... I just don't think there's anyone could stop Luca. That's how good he is.

Luka has established himself as one of the premier offensive forces in history, though he can be beaten in a series.
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Take Slip·Aug 19, 2020
#PMT-2020-0819-18790
David ArquetteDavid Arquette

LeBron James and Dwight Howard are real Lakers because they wear the uniform

I don't know about that. Finally puts the Jersey on and wins a championship. That's all we care about... here's the way I look at it is we put the uniform on your liquor in my book.

This is a subjective definition of fandom and team identity.
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#PMT-2020-0810-4273
Big CatBig Cat

Draymond Green's $50,000 fine for recruiting Devin Booker was worth it

Draymond get fined $50,000 for saying Devin Booker needs to get out of the Phoenix on the set of TNT. Well, so people are saying that there shouldn't be these tampering laws anymore like $50,000 of Draymond Green is absolutely nothing. It's actually probably worth it In terms of just like the message that he was sending to Booker at that point.

The fine was real, the 'worth it' part is subjective, though the Warriors did not end up getting Booker.
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Take Slip·Aug 7, 2020
#PMT-2020-0807-17886
Big CatBig Cat

There are more teams 'nobody wants to play' in the NBA playoffs this year than ever before

Right now off the top my head. There are more teams that nobody wants to play in the playoffs in the NBA at this point than there have ever been... No one wants to play Toronto in the playoffs. No one wants to play the Heat in the playoffs. No one wants to play Oklahoma City... No one wants to play the Rockets.

While subjective, the 2020 playoffs saw the 5th-seed Heat reach the Finals, supporting the 'dangerous lower seeds' narrative.
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Take Slip·Aug 7, 2020
#PMT-2020-0807-17890
Gotham ChopraGotham Chopra

Kobe Bryant had the most 'rockstar quality' and charisma of any athlete

Kobe was a rockstar. Like I've never really been around anyone like that... it was like, oh yeah, we should ask for more money because this guy just had a sort of Charisma... Kobe had the sort of rock star like you used to fly... in a helicopter like it was like hanging out with Batman.

Subjective opinion on charisma and presence.
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Take Slip·Aug 7, 2020
#PMT-2020-0807-17893
Big CatBig Cat

LeBron James being a genuinely good person makes him a harder athlete to hate

My thing about LeBron LeBron is... what that guy stands for what you've done... I have a big my he's a that's the thing that kills me because I like hate LeBron, but I know he's such a good guy which drives me insane that drives me insane... I want him to be like I want something like yeah, he's a real asshole.

Personal sentiment about a public figure.
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Take Slip·Aug 5, 2020
#PMT-2020-0805-16793
PFT CommenterPFT Commenter

Devin Booker is officially 'a dude' because of how he celebrated his game-winner

I'm on board the Devin Booker train just watching his body language after he made the shot. He basically went to sleep... a person that reacts like that, that guy is a dude.

Subjective take on a player's 'it' factor.
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Take Slip·Aug 3, 2020
#PMT-2020-0803-3008
Big CatBig Cat

Alex Caruso has become 'overratedly underrated'

He has become, I wrote this down when I was watching the game, he started out being underrated but then he was so underrated that he became overrated but now it's swung back and now he's like overratedly underrated. So now he's underrated again.

This is a subjective assessment of public perception.
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Take Slip·Jul 17, 2020
#PMT-2020-0717-4317
Kenny the Jet SmithKenny the Jet Smith

LeBron James is not currently a top-five player of all time

Is [LeBron James] on a trajectory to jump into the top five of all time? For sure. But with three championships and he's still on that trajectory, he's not there yet, in my opinion... I would have Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain [ahead of him].

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Take Slip·Jul 17, 2020
#PMT-2020-0717-4320
Kenny the Jet SmithKenny the Jet Smith

The Rockets would have beaten Michael Jordan's Bulls in the mid-90s because the Bulls were too small without Horace Grant

I think the reason they lost to Orlando, even when Michael [Jordan] came back... I just think his team wasn't good enough because Horace [Grant] was in Orlando. So they were small, Shaq killing him inside... If they had Rodman, I'd have been like, I don't know... but without Horace Grant and without Rodman, no, I don't think they would have done it.

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Take Slip·Jun 15, 2020·Null
#PMT-2020-0615-2849
Big CatBig Cat

Kyrie Irving is right that the NBA's return could distract from the Black Lives Matter movement

The thing I don't understand—I actually Kyrie's statement, I actually kind of agree with. Like his point is if you're—if we're pushing for something to radically change, the one thing you don't want to allow is for people to be like, 'can we just get back to normal?' because like when you're back to normal, it's easy way of just saying, 'Oh well, like we'll deal with that later.'

This is a subjective sociological take.
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Take Slip·Jun 12, 2020
#PMT-2020-0612-16895
Judd ApatowJudd Apatow

Michael Jordan's 'Flu Game' pizza story is high comedy regardless of whether it's true

This brings us to the Michael Jordan eating a pizza during the NBA Finals question. What is funnier than that? Right? It's the the highest Stakes thing in the world... Whether it's eating a pizza or pretending to have eaten a pizza to cover up a mistake that's high comedy stakes. And what would the end of that movie be? Having the best game of your life while almost vomiting the entire time.

The truth of the story remains debated, but Apatow's take is an opinion on its comedic value.
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Take Slip·Jun 8, 2020
#PMT-2020-0608-3091
Blake GriffinBlake Griffin

The NBA season should start on Christmas Day to avoid competing with football

I do think that we should we should push our start date back just because we're having we're competing against college football and nfl football just so big. I feel like the casual fan of sports doesn't really care about basketball until christmas anyway.

The NBA has flirted with this but hasn't permanently moved its start date to December yet.
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Take Slip·Jun 5, 2020
#PMT-2020-0605-7248
Big CatBig Cat

The NBA return plan is effectively the 'Zion Williamson rule'

The New Orleans Pelicans are right now the 10th seed... they want to figure out a way to get Zion West and I am all for that. It's the Zion rule. Adam Silver could have just gotten in front of the nation and been like 'Hey guys Zion, have you heard of him? Kind of a big deal and we want to make sure that he's involved in this no matter what.'

While Adam Silver never officially called it that, the media consensus was that the play-in inclusion of the 10th-seeded Pelicans was highly beneficial for TV ratings via Zion.
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